24 Premier tonight!

[~Jackie~ 30]

I am so so so excited for the new season to start! Fox has been showing commercials for it all day. Jack looks awesome and even Chloe looks good!

Jackie

[giraffemd 0]

my dear hubby is glued to it as we speak, but as for me I am with my DVR firmly set on American Idol. :dance:

[~Jackie~ 30]

We're glued too.

J

[doodlebug 3]

We're glued too.

J

oh fiddlesticks did i miss it??? what time is it on? (please don't say 8pm est)

Edited January 15, 2007 by doodlebug

[~Jackie~ 30]

The second hour is just starting.

[Caladan 19]

I'm out. I tried, I tried, but good god has the show jumped the shark. I'm going to free myself by BITING my way out?

And next episode he'll fly?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm out. I tried, I tried, but good god has the show jumped the shark. I'm going to free myself by BITING my way out?

And next episode he'll fly?

I saw it, and was predictably disappointed.

For one thing - the Jack Bauer character is deeply unlikeable. At least in Season 1 (and 2) he had his family to give him some sympathetic self-interest, but with that stripped away in subsequent seasons its hard to see what keeps him going. I think even the screenwriters are coming to that realisation and are dropping some serious hints that he'll probably be killed off.

They try to play with cliche's too but don't really challenge them. For example, the first episode starts off with a "suspicious" muslim-type trying to get on a bus, but isn't let on because the driver thinks he might be a terrorist. Then you see a muslim man in a middle-class suburban neighborhood being arrested while his son and sympathetic neighbors insist that "he's no terrorist". Where's the surprise? The man's son is the terrorist. Really... Incidentally, that makes the paranoid neighbour's actions justifiable, while the neighbour defending the guy is "well meaning but misguided".

And all this is underscored by a clumsy "abuse of power" angle with the Peter MacNicol character's use of law enforcement to undermine constitutional values. But the way the terrorists are presented it comes across as almost justifiable. All of which reinforces simplistic armchair politics and ivory tower "ends justify the means" B/S.

Edited January 15, 2007 by erekose

[Caladan 19]

The political angle was slightly better than I was expecting, even if it is a little 'so and so says X, and thus-and-such says not-X, and they both have good points.' But I think you're right about Jack's character. He was a lot more interesting when his motivations were smaller, and the stories weren't about Global War on Icky, but much smaller, and more personal.

And, also, he didn't have teeth of steel back then.

[doodlebug 3]

So anyone wanna tell me what happened in the first hour?

And am I going nuts or does Jack seem to have some definite man-boobage goin' on this season?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The political angle was slightly better than I was expecting, even if it is a little 'so and so says X, and thus-and-such says not-X, and they both have good points.' But I think you're right about Jack's character. He was a lot more interesting when his motivations were smaller, and the stories weren't about Global War on Icky, but much smaller, and more personal.

And, also, he didn't have teeth of steel back then.

That whole setup was a little ridiculous -

the guy gets off the plane having been tortured by the chinese for 2 years to be told "sorry mate, we're going to give you to this terrorist guy to be tortured to death".

I was actually hoping that they would develop Bauer more in the previous season after he faked his own death to avoid being extradited - that would have made the show a little more interesting than the formulaic "multi-angle" story that they haven't really deviated from since the show began.

Instead its the same "Bauer doesn't play by the rules, goes off the grid to catch the bad guys while being chased by his 'by the book' superiors". There'll be a traitor or two (including an inside man), and a few wild plot twists masquerading as dramatic conflict.

I shouldn't really be complaining about the lack of character development in a show that show that is primarily action driven (rather than character driven), but it would be nice if TV producers would stop treating their audiences like idiots and start making more sophisticated shows.

[garya505 2]

I'm out. I tried, I tried, but good god has the show jumped the shark. I'm going to free myself by BITING my way out?

And next episode he'll fly?

I saw it, and was predictably disappointed.

For one thing - the Jack Bauer character is deeply unlikeable. At least in Season 1 (and 2) he had his family to give him some sympathetic self-interest, but with that stripped away in subsequent seasons its hard to see what keeps him going. I think even the screenwriters are coming to that realisation and are dropping some serious hints that he'll probably be killed off.

They try to play with cliche's too but don't really challenge them. For example, the first episode starts off with a "suspicious" muslim-type trying to get on a bus, but isn't let on because the driver thinks he might be a terrorist. Then you see a muslim man in a middle-class suburban neighborhood being arrested while his son and sympathetic neighbors insist that "he's no terrorist". Where's the surprise? The man's son is the terrorist. Really... Incidentally, that makes the paranoid neighbour's actions justifiable, while the neighbour defending the guy is "well meaning but misguided".

And all this is underscored by a clumsy "abuse of power" angle with the Peter MacNicol character's use of law enforcement to undermine constitutional values. But the way the terrorists are presented it comes across as almost justifiable. All of which reinforces simplistic armchair politics and ivory tower "ends justify the means" B/S.

I guess we shouldn't be surprized that you would try to turn a discussion about a TV show into a political discussion.

The political angle was slightly better than I was expecting, even if it is a little 'so and so says X, and thus-and-such says not-X, and they both have good points.' But I think you're right about Jack's character. He was a lot more interesting when his motivations were smaller, and the stories weren't about Global War on Icky, but much smaller, and more personal.

And, also, he didn't have teeth of steel back then.

That whole setup was a little ridiculous -

the guy gets off the plane having been tortured by the chinese for 2 years to be told "sorry mate, we're going to give you to this terrorist guy to be tortured to death".

I was actually hoping that they would develop Bauer more in the previous season after he faked his own death to avoid being extradited - that would have made the show a little more interesting than the formulaic "multi-angle" story that they haven't really deviated from since the show began.

Instead its the same "Bauer doesn't play by the rules, goes off the grid to catch the bad guys while being chased by his 'by the book' superiors". There'll be a traitor or two (including an inside man), and a few wild plot twists masquerading as dramatic conflict.

I shouldn't really be complaining about the lack of character development in a show that show that is primarily action driven (rather than character driven), but it would be nice if TV producers would stop treating their audiences like idiots and start making more sophisticated shows.

You probably have other channels you could turn to if you don't like it.

[Hornet 2]

"For one thing - the Jack Bauer character is deeply unlikeable."

Maybe to you!! I could hang out with him! Have a beer, kill a few people, save the country. hey 6am tomorrow and we're done with work.

Here's to Jack!!!

I do like and agree how the writers are showing how fast this country would turn on eachother if there were numerous attacks.

Even people who hadn't lost anything yet but were just scared would become violent. Way more violent than other countries we criticize.

[~Jackie~ 30]

I thought it was awesome and will be watching tonight also.

Jackie

[Jenn! 918]

I'm out. I tried, I tried, but good god has the show jumped the shark. I'm going to free myself by BITING my way out?

And next episode he'll fly?

I saw it, and was predictably disappointed.

For one thing - the Jack Bauer character is deeply unlikeable. At least in Season 1 (and 2) he had his family to give him some sympathetic self-interest, but with that stripped away in subsequent seasons its hard to see what keeps him going. I think even the screenwriters are coming to that realisation and are dropping some serious hints that he'll probably be killed off.

They try to play with cliche's too but don't really challenge them. For example, the first episode starts off with a "suspicious" muslim-type trying to get on a bus, but isn't let on because the driver thinks he might be a terrorist. Then you see a muslim man in a middle-class suburban neighborhood being arrested while his son and sympathetic neighbors insist that "he's no terrorist". Where's the surprise? The man's son is the terrorist. Really... Incidentally, that makes the paranoid neighbour's actions justifiable, while the neighbour defending the guy is "well meaning but misguided".

And all this is underscored by a clumsy "abuse of power" angle with the Peter MacNicol character's use of law enforcement to undermine constitutional values. But the way the terrorists are presented it comes across as almost justifiable. All of which reinforces simplistic armchair politics and ivory tower "ends justify the means" B/S.

I guess we shouldn't be surprized that you would try to turn a discussion about a TV show into a political discussion.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...1576853,00.html

[fozzie 41]

If people really don't like it as much as they say then why do they watch it. I love 24. I will be watching it every week and llook forward to the cliffhangers. By now every one knows what to expect when they watch the show, but that doesn't make it any less interesting.

24 has it's place on TV. No it is not particularly intellectual and yes it's beccome all about the action, but if you don't want to watch that kind of show then i am sure you can find something more to your tastes on one of the hundereds of other

channels.

it should probably end this season to go out while stilll on top, though!

My only gripe would be the constant stereotyping of muslim characters. I am surprised any muslim actors take these roles as they know that it is fueling the fire. (I know it shouldn't but it undoubtedly does)

Edited January 15, 2007 by Lauren and Dave