Has anyone ever been asked to provide a certificate of non-existence of record of marriage?

[ketahpahnen 6]

Find what lady?

What isn't customary? Going to a government place and asking for a piece of paper? It happens all the time!

There is no such thing as a "certificate of non-existence of marriage." What the Embassy wants is a search of government records, done by an official, with a result that says he has never been married. Your fiance already obtained that, so what's the problem?

The problem is USCIS said these documents are not sufficient. I really don't know how to prove someone has never been married. With us, my spouse has never been married in Iran because he never had me added to his ID card or passport. But we are married in the US. Has your fiancé ever travelled outside Egypt where maybe he got married and forgot? I know, but I am trying to be delicate here.

I don't understand why the US embassy believes he is or was married previously. The only thing that crosses my mind is either someone filed a petition for him or he applied for a visa previously and stated he was married (I think this happened to someone else on VJ).

We filed a FOIA (which I know could possibly take 4 months) and we filed the appeal. I do have a lawyer I am working with to make sure everything is wordrd correctly and to make sure that the evidence and brief we will submit will be sufficient. When I talked about it not being customary, I was talking about finding the woman they say my fiance is married to, and asking her or her husband for a copy of their marriage cert. to prove that it is not my fiance that is married to her.

I regards to my fiance's travel history...he has never been outside of egypt. He has not been a benificiary before. We applied for an picked up his passport while I was in egypt in Dec 2011 until Jan 2012. I believe the papers we provided were sufficient, he cannot get papers saying he is single if he is married, divorced or widowed. They WILL NOT provide him with any papers with his supposed wife's name on them because they are not related or married. What I am having trouble with is proving all of this.

Will the govt there provide my fiance with a paper stating their policies? That this paper does not exist and cannot be provided? That the paperwork we provided is customary for what he has asked for? or that they will not provide him with paperwork stating he is single if he is not in fact single?

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Why hasn't your guy found an attorney in Egypt to have the required search done? That's all the US government wants - a records search by the proper authorities, with a result that shows he's not married. AGAIN, it's not hard.

[ketahpahnen 6]

Why hasn't your guy found an attorney in Egypt to have the required search done? That's all the US government wants - a records search by the proper authorities, with a result that shows he's not married. AGAIN, it's not hard.

Isnt that what happens when they go in to get the Extract of Individual or Family registration, they do a search of his name and produce a paper saying he is single or otherwise? We did go to a lawyer in Cairo to have this done, and these are the papers we were given. There was nothing else he could do for us. Do YOU or anyone else know the arabic word for the paper we need to ask for? Because I understand you say it easy (as it would be here to get this information) but there he dont know what to ask for besides what we already have asked for. Or could you recommend a good egyptian lawyer that can help us get what it is you say to get? Im not there so I cant go to the lawyer on my own to ask for these things. Thank you.

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Isnt that what happens when they go in to get the Extract of Individual or Family registration, they do a search of his name and produce a paper saying he is single or otherwise? We did go to a lawyer in Cairo to have this done, and these are the papers we were given. There was nothing else he could do for us. Do YOU or anyone else know the arabic word for the paper we need to ask for? Because I understand you say it easy (as it would be here to get this information) but there he dont know what to ask for besides what we already have asked for. Or could you recommend a good egyptian lawyer that can help us get what it is you say to get? Im not there so I cant go to the lawyer on my own to ask for these things. Thank you.

As I told you before, anyone can walk into any police station and run a check on anyone else. In fact, when he says, "Hi," she says, "Wait, I'll be right back," gets a background check done to see if he is or ever has been married, then she decides if she will say "Hi" back or not. It is not difficult to know if anyone has ever been married and this type of investigation is done routinely.

And, as I told you before, Egypt simply does not screw up family records; marriage information is kept in large ledger books, hand written copies are kept (every time someone gets married, there are five original copies of the marriage document - one for him, one for her, and three for the government - complete with picture of the bride and groom, as well as their thumb prints affixed to the documents), and records are stored digitally.

More importantly, as I told you before, there is no specific document that says anyone has never been married. This is why the US government did not accept whatever piece of paper this lawyer in Cairo conjured up - it simply does not exist. So, no, there is no Arabic word, except for maybe "mein fash" (impossible) or, probably more accurately, "fil mish-mish" (in your dreams).

Look, I'm not trying to be snarky. What I am trying to say is the US government has the goods on your guy (I do believe they used the word "evidence") and he's playing innocent. Somehow, an investigation of his name, birth date, and address managed to match someone else's, who happened to have been married ... but it wasn't him. I don't believe it, however you are free to do whatever you want to do.

I know many lawyers in Egypt, but there's a way to avoid them. How? I spoke with someone today, someone I know who holds a very important position, and he would be happy to do a background check on your behalf, at no cost, bright and early Sunday morning. Let me know if that's what you want to do.

[ketahpahnen 6]

As I told you before, anyone can walk into any police station and run a check on anyone else. In fact, when he says, "Hi," she says, "Wait, I'll be right back," gets a background check done to see if he is or ever has been married, then she decides if she will say "Hi" back or not. It is not difficult to know if anyone has ever been married and this type of investigation is done routinely.

And, as I told you before, Egypt simply does not screw up family records; marriage information is kept in large ledger books, hand written copies are kept (every time someone gets married, there are five original copies of the marriage document - one for him, one for her, and three for the government - complete with picture of the bride and groom, as well as their thumb prints affixed to the documents), and records are stored digitally.

More importantly, as I told you before, there is no specific document that says anyone has never been married. This is why the US government did not accept whatever piece of paper this lawyer in Cairo conjured up - it simply does not exist. So, no, there is no Arabic word, except for maybe "mein fash" (impossible) or, probably more accurately, "fil mish-mish" (in your dreams).

Look, I'm not trying to be snarky. What I am trying to say is the US government has the goods on your guy (I do believe they used the word "evidence") and he's playing innocent. Somehow, an investigation of his name, birth date, and address managed to match someone else's, who happened to have been married ... but it wasn't him. I don't believe it, however you are free to do whatever you want to do.

I know many lawyers in Egypt, but there's a way to avoid them. How? I spoke with someone today, someone I know who holds a very important position, and he would be happy to do a background check on your behalf, at no cost, bright and early Sunday morning. Let me know if that's what you want to do.

I replied to your message and I am awaiting your reply, thank you.

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I replied to your message and I am awaiting your reply, thank you.

I'm going to reply here, for two reasons. First, because I believe it's the kind thing to do. Second, and most importantly, there's a lesson to be learned here, and that lesson is this:

After a thorough investigation, which included digital and paper records, as well as on-site investigation and interviews, the conclusion is your fiance HAS NEVER BEEN married. Actually, what my "person" said was, "Your guy is clean," if you want the complete truth. This means there has been a grievous error and both you and your fiance have been wronged.

At the moment, Ministry of Interior employees are quite busy preparing for what is supposed to be a hectic Friday (there is supposed to be another revolution, but we'll see) which means a piece of paper saying there was an investigation done (including the requested time frame) and he has never been married cannot be produced until early next week (providing there isn't another revolution, of course). When that happens, your fiance can arrange to pick it up.

[ketahpahnen 6]

I'm going to reply here, for two reasons. First, because I believe it's the kind thing to do. Second, and most importantly, there's a lesson to be learned here, and that lesson is this:

After a thorough investigation, which included digital and paper records, as well as on-site investigation and interviews, the conclusion is your fiance HAS NEVER BEEN married. Actually, what my "person" said was, "Your guy is clean," if you want the complete truth. This means there has been a grievous error and both you and your fiance have been wronged.

At the moment, Ministry of Interior employees are quite busy preparing for what is supposed to be a hectic Friday (there is supposed to be another revolution, but we'll see) which means a piece of paper saying there was an investigation done (including the requested time frame) and he has never been married cannot be produced until early next week (providing there isn't another revolution, of course). When that happens, your fiance can arrange to pick it up.

Thank you, this is very good news. Please let me know either here or in an email when and how he can arrange for pick up. I will be sending a request for a 30 day extension because I am sure that we will need to have the paperwork translated before submission.

Would you know if I will I need a brief along with the evidence or will I only have to submit the evidence to AAO?

What will happen if we win the appeal? does it reopen our case or will we have to refile again?

[Ihavequestions 419]

You're quite welcome.

My "person" called again today because, evidently, he felt the need to let YOU know your fiance comes from a very good family and he's never - not one time - had any interaction with the police, not even a traffic violation. And, just so you know, there is, yes, another guy with the same name who is married, but everything else about him (birth date, etc.) is different. We're all more than a little gobsmacked.

I don't know the answers to your other questions. Perhaps this is something you should ask in a different area, so it gets the attention of those who know better than I do. Of course I will let you know as soon as I know when and where he can pick up the necessary document, but that will not be until after the weekend.

I wish you (and your guy) the best.

[ketahpahnen 6]

Ihavequestions, I have responded to you emails, and I am going you are able to reply soon, the paper you advised us to all for has been discontinued 2 years ago.

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If your fiancé is Christian then it's as simple as getting it from the church. To my knowledge what you're asking for doesn't exist since Muslim men have the right to 4 wives...one can be married yet still free to marry again as a Muslim man.

Maybe someone goofed the ID number in Egypt. One digit off...can you maybe find that out? You need a lawyer in Egypt to fix this IMO

[ketahpahnen 6]

If your fiancé is Christian then it's as simple as getting it from the church. To my knowledge what you're asking for doesn't exist since Muslim men have the right to 4 wives...one can be married yet still free to marry again as a Muslim man.

Maybe someone goofed the ID number in Egypt. One digit off...can you maybe find that out? You need a lawyer in Egypt to fix this IMO

He would be ineligble to recieve the benefit of receiving a Visa to come here and marry a US citizen if he has any marriage on record. And we believe, and have had proven, that someone made a mistake. We know the name of the man that is married to the woman they claim my fiance is married to, the only thing they have in common is their first 3 names, all other information is different. Our only obstacle at the moment is getting something written by the person that did this other background check on my fiance. At the moment we are trying to find a good lawyer in Egypt that knows what we are asking for. In the next few days I have asked my fiance to go to his police department and ask them to run a background check on him...AGAIN lol They keep telling him that the papers they have already provided to him are sufficient. You cant get paperwork from the ministry stating you are single if you are not in fact single.

We got our FOIA back and they gave us NO new information. I asked for consular notes and any and all findings that indicate that my fiance is married. They withheld 54 out of 206 pages, 2 of which they have forwarded to the DOS because it coincides with our appeal...that could be promising lol