Roll Call of Fallen Commrades

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

The original Cheerios comment was made about the Truth to imply that she had gotten up on the wrong side of the bed, was in a bad mood etc. Some took it as knock on all women here. The b!tches comment was fabricated by a female user here after the fact. I still have the email with the original post which I offered to post way back when this bs started, but I was advised not to by moderation.

This same female user and I were discussing something in one of the gun or shooting threads a couple of weeks ago. It was something about using force or not, and I asked would you run away if you walked in on someone assaulting one of your family members or would you take action. The comment I got was, " we were having a decent discussion and you have to throw in a snide remark about me not caring about my family". I have no idea how anyone could have gotten that from what I posted. I apologized, saying there was no intent of offending you and that is clearly not what I implied. Naturally, there was no response to that post. Same situation as the Cheerios BS. Either over reaction about nothing, or intentionally stirring the pot. Take your pick.

The OP of the original comment wasn't even permitted by moderation to explain his comment. He merely stated that The Truth was a grumpy poster. The rest of you turned it into the all females are b!tches nonsense. If he said your a crabby grouch it would have meant the same thing and I'd bet that no drama would have followed. The comment was directed at one user, and with good reason for the comments in question, but that part is conveniently ignored.

Spooks, this is not true.

The offensive part of that post was the person said something like "The problem with this forum is that there is a group of women who are all sourpusses and ruin everything here."

There are not even a handful of women who posts here, so the whole thing was basically, "Hey women are so lame when they have ideas or are anything but a party bimbo babe! They ruin the man fun!"

And that is lame, and gross, and a lot of people plussed it. If you don't agree with that assessment, fine, but many other people agree with this one, and that is how maven remembers it, and that is how it was. I, and many others, took it as a swipe on all the women here, since it said that.

Regarding the family thing, I took the added adverb in your sentence to mean that I did not care about my family, and that "if I actually cared" then I would think differently. You said you didn't mean it, so it's over now. At least, I thought so.

Edited August 12, 2014 by Harpa Timsah

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Spooks, this is not true.

The offensive part of that post was the person said something like "The problem with this forum is that there is a group of women who are all sourpusses and ruin everything here."

There are not even a handful of women who posts here, so the whole thing was basically, "Hey women are so lame when they have ideas or are anything but a party bimbo babe! They ruin the man fun!"

And that is lame, and gross, and a lot of people plussed it. If you don't agree with that assessment, fine, but many other people agree with this one, and that is how maven remembers it, and that is how it was. I, and many others, took it as a swipe on all the women here, since it said that.

Regarding the family thing, I took the added adverb in your sentence to mean that I did not care about my family, and that "if I actually cared" then I would think differently. You said you didn't mean it, so it's over now. At least, I thought so.

The actual wording was:

I just don't get some of the PC, uber sensitive bunch here. There are a couple

of females here that I don't really care for their nasty attitude, mostly snarky

comments, and the 'someone pizzed in my cereal this morning -- so I'm mad with

the world' hostile tone when they post to even simple comments by others.

How did this turn into all VJ women are urine eating b!tches? Snarky attitude is an opinion, no doubt, but many here agreed with that. Maybe it's just the internet act of a few, just like the men here have their own internet acts. But The Truth sure didn't post with a Miss Congeniality attitude. The whole comment was about the attitude of a couple of female posters.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Spooks, this is not true.

The offensive part of that post was the person said something like "The problem with this forum is that there is a group of women who are all sourpusses and ruin everything here."

There are not even a handful of women who posts here, so the whole thing was basically, "Hey women are so lame when they have ideas or are anything but a party bimbo babe! They ruin the man fun!"

And that is lame, and gross, and a lot of people plussed it. If you don't agree with that assessment, fine, but many other people agree with this one, and that is how maven remembers it, and that is how it was. I, and many others, took it as a swipe on all the women here, since it said that.

Okay, that's sort of how I remembered it. I didn't think it was spooks who had been offensive, but someone else (who it was, I can't recall because I am An Old and my memory sucks). I recall being upset at being called an uptight so and so, but the Cheerios aspect was beside the point.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

The actual wording was:

I just don't get some of the PC, uber sensitive bunch here. There are a couple

of females here that I don't really care for their nasty attitude, mostly snarky

comments, and the 'someone pizzed in my cereal this morning -- so I'm mad with

the world' hostile tone when they post to even simple comments by others.

How did this turn into all VJ women are urine eating b!tches? Snarky attitude is an opinion, no doubt, but many here agreed with that. Maybe it's just the internet act of a few, just like the men here have their own internet acts. But The Truth sure didn't post with a Miss Congeniality attitude. The whole comment was about the attitude of a couple of female posters.

And how many female posters are here? Just a few.

And why say "female posters?"

Why not just "posters?"

Edited August 12, 2014 by Harpa Timsah

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

And how many female posters are here? Just a few.

There's three women posters here. You and Janelle are two. Penny, Maven, Valerie and Novembro are all the same poster so they count as one.

[GandD 5,966]

I also miss novembro.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

The actual wording was:

I just don't get some of the PC, uber sensitive bunch here. There are a couple

of females here that I don't really care for their nasty attitude, mostly snarky

comments, and the 'someone pizzed in my cereal this morning -- so I'm mad with

the world' hostile tone when they post to even simple comments by others.

How did this turn into all VJ women are urine eating b!tches? Snarky attitude is an opinion, no doubt, but many here agreed with that. Maybe it's just the internet act of a few, just like the men here have their own internet acts. But The Truth sure didn't post with a Miss Congeniality attitude. The whole comment was about the attitude of a couple of female posters.

Okay, that IS offensive. It is women who are being singled out for being "nasty" and "hostile" when frankly, there are so goddamn few of us our voices get drowned out. Not just a woman (by which I'm sure The Truth was the intended party) but "a couple." Who are the "couple"? Why is it just women who are so nasty? The men are more than capable of being and more frequently nasty on here.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

And how many female posters are here? Just a few.

Anyone who posts with a grump attitude is aware of what they are doing. In know way shape or from is that comment calling anyone a b!tch. And it was quite apparent what he was referring to at the time as far as snarky comments.

Here is what you posted in reference to his comment.

One person actually posted that the forum is too full of women who are "b*tches" and who ate urine for breakfast and they are the root of the problem, and that got a lot of plusses. No one sees a problem with that?

[decocker 7,198]

girls hangin round the vj man thread where all the important talkin goes on. it's a shame how this place has gone south.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

But The Truth sure didn't post with a Miss Congeniality attitude. The whole comment was about the attitude of a couple of female posters.

But see, why should women post with a "Miss Congeniality" attitude? Implicit in that idea is some sort of idea that women are on display and get prizes for being nice in a beauty pageant. When men are mean, it's cool boys house fun, and when women are mean, they have a nasty attitude and need the GTFO. It's gendered insults, like "hysteria" and "snarky" etc are only used for women.

It's fine if you don't agree, but can you at least see why most of the women on this forum took it this way?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

girls hangin round the vj man thread where all the important talkin goes on. it's a shame how this place has gone south.

Ladies be whinin'.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

And how many female posters are here? Just a few.

And why say "female posters?"

Why not just "posters?"

Because of the thread where the comment was posted. And it was basically about what The Truth had been posting.

[decocker 7,198]

Ladies be whinin'.

so fickle, never pleased.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

But see, why should women post with a "Miss Congeniality" attitude? Implicit in that idea is some sort of idea that women are on display and get prizes for being nice in a beauty pageant. When men are mean, it's cool boys house fun, and when women are mean, they have a nasty attitude and need the GTFO. It's gendered insults, like "hysteria" and "snarky" etc are only used for women.

It's fine if you don't agree, but can you at least see why most of the women on this forum took it this way?

Nobody has to post with a Miss Congeniality attitude. But when you live in a glass house, don't throw stones. You're the one who keeps stretching it to far beyond what was meant. The Truth had a pissy attitude. So do some of the men. Why would a woman who wasn't a grouch take it that way? You make statements about men here, why would I take offense unless the shoe fit? Or better yet, why would I take offense at all since I wasn't named personally? And even then I probably wouldn't. It's an internet forum.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Anyone who posts with a grump attitude is aware of what they are doing. In know way shape or from is that comment calling anyone a b!tch. And it was quite apparent what he was referring to at the time as far as snarky comments.

Here is what you posted in reference to his comment.

One person actually posted that the forum is too full of women who are "b*tches" and who ate urine for breakfast and they are the root of the problem, and that got a lot of plusses. No one sees a problem with that?

Actually, my definition of a b*tch is pretty much what that person wrote. I did misremember his actual words, but I believe that is very much what he meant.