Hood Disease: Inner City Oakland Youth Suffering From Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

OK so that is what VJ advocates.

Guess we can have total bans on guns. That should solve the problems.

I agree, that is why I felt so say last time I was in DC

[Jacque67 7,328]

Great post , not a tailor!

[luckytxn 2,265]

There is no logical conclusion. You are trying to make up a conclusion. Nothing in the OP article suggests that there is even PTSD in the kids at all let alone the parents. As you said you are a writer and I can imagine you have flights of fancy as many writers do. It is showing.

It is for these folks, because logic isn't their strong point. They can't follow the issues presented in the article back to the logical conclusion--that the parents have PTSD, too.

Edited May 18, 2014 by luckytxn

[luckytxn 2,265]

You are wrong. I am not blaming morality but as I plainly stated. The parents decisions affects everything in a childs life. Children are never the blame.

Look here is an example. I go to Vietnam to visit my wifes family. Almost everyone I meet and talk to there say the same thing, that there is "no hope". I always ask them, "then why brings kids into a world with no hope"? I have never received a real answer.

Now a area near our business has a lot of "poor" people. The parent is irresponsible and I ask them, "what about your kids?. They give me no real answer either. They are raising their kids to be irresponsible also becaue that is the kids enviroment. It is not the kids fault but the parents decisions.

I am not saying all "poor" are doing this either. Many parents try ard to raise their kids the best they can. They work hard and try to find the best babysitters they can and do all they can. They are in a tough place but I ask them why they had kids before they were ready? They never give a real answer also. They had made a decision that has affected their kids and not just them.

Sorry, I didn't know I had to do quotes, but here are the posts that I am speaking of, one of them coming from you, even:

Perhaps I am wrong, but these sound very much like blaming the morality of the parents, especially as the latter was a direct response to the former. I was basing my response to those two posts on the attitudes put forth by the posters in previous posts, but perhaps their eyes have been opened and their minds changed since those, so I apologize for my assumptions that the attitudes of those posters would remain the same, as clearly pattern recognition and logical thought are not permitted here and I must only respond to the things said directly in this thread and must ignore all precedent set by any poster or my words are wrong and invalid.

The parents' decisions may indeed affect the children, but the question that should be asked, in light of the information in the OP, is whether or not the parents have the capability of making better decisions, in order to get their children out of the inner city and away from these war grounds. And the answer I would have to give to that is 'no.'

Why? People raised in poverty are happy to have food on their table and a roof over their head. That's not to say they don't long for more, but having grown up knowing they will get nothing more, successfully pursuing it seems as likely to them as the likelihood of the Malaysian person in your family (I don't know if it's you or your husband/wife) becoming president of the united states. When you add in PTSD from watching people die, from seeing how many of their friends never grew up? They're totally screwed over in terms of being able to make better decisions.

Moral decay is the easy out answer, the one that doesn't require you to look deeper at the inherent problems and the generational issues that are causing that apparent decay. Declare it a simple case of moral decay, the issues these children are having are just the result of society going horribly awry as a whole, without any addressable causes.

Blaming parental decisions is also an easy out answer, because it doesn't look at the issues the parents are facing. Someone barely keeping a roof over their head doesn't have the money to be able to move somewhere nicer. Someone barely keeping food on the table doesn't have the resources to have the luxury of stepping back and figuring out how to make better decisions. I never lived in the inner city, but I know poverty. I've lived it. In a developed nation, I had to live on ten dollars a week as my maximum for food, while renting a cheap room in a mouldy basement with a methhead living in the next room. In order to get out of that situation, I had to make a choice that was bad for me, bad for my mental health and which caused me to need nearly a third of my life so far to recover from it. I've only had the luxury of that recovery because I was able to find a handful of friends who were in stable enough living situations to help me. If I didn't have those friends, if I didn't have access to the internet to stay in contact with those friends, then I guarantee you that I would be unable to ever climb out of the hole I was in. I got lucky.

The people in the article are unlikely to have my sheer luck.

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

Sorry, I didn't know I had to do quotes, but here are the posts that I am speaking of, one of them coming from you, even:

OMG!? Even from me?! What have I done?! Look Away! Look Away! I am a Monster!!

Perhaps I am wrong, but these sound very much like blaming the morality of the parents

1st - Those posts don't sound.. they read.

2nd - The parents are absolutely part of the equation. (but) No1 stated the parents bear entire responsibility.

3rd - Moral Decay encompasses much more than parenting. I suggest you google up on it to garner a more comprehensive understanding of the terminology.

especially as the latter was a direct response to the former. I was basing my response to those two posts on the attitudes put forth by the posters in previous posts, but perhaps their eyes have been opened and their minds changed since those, so I apologize for my assumptions that the attitudes of those posters would remain the same, as clearly pattern recognition and logical thought are not permitted here and I must only respond to the things said directly in this thread and must ignore all precedent set by any poster or my words are wrong and invalid.

SMH @ this side step. Do you practice denial & deflection on a daily basis..? Coz IMO - you are not very good at it.

The parents' decisions may indeed affect the children

Ya think..?

Why? People raised in poverty are happy to have food on their table and a roof over their head. That's not to say they don't long for more, but having grown up knowing they will get nothing more, successfully pursuing it seems as likely to them as the likelihood of the Malaysian person in your family (I don't know if it's you or your husband/wife) becoming president of the united states. When you add in PTSD from watching people die, from seeing how many of their friends never grew up? They're totally screwed over in terms of being able to make better decisions.

That's the point I am making with the video I upped. (but) You go right ahead and box me into your assumptions. No need to ask questions...Questions waste time. Just Charge in & start sticking labels on people you deem incapable of logical thinking.

Moral decay is the easy out answer, the one that doesn't require you to look deeper at the inherent problems and the generational issues that are causing that apparent decay. Declare it a simple case of moral decay, the issues these children are having are just the result of society going horribly awry as a whole, without any addressable causes.

Again...google up. Question for your logical consideration = Which came first - MD or PTSD?...take it in slowly...let it wash around the frontal lobe a little......Are ya catching my meaning?

Blaming parental decisions is also an easy out answer, because it doesn't look at the issues the parents are facing. Someone barely keeping a roof over their head doesn't have the money to be able to move somewhere nicer. Someone barely keeping food on the table doesn't have the resources to have the luxury of stepping back and figuring out how to make better decisions. I never lived in the inner city, but I know poverty.

See prior response = It's part of the equation but doesn't bear full responsibility...yada yada....

I've lived it. In a developed nation, I had to live on ten dollars a week as my maximum for food, while renting a cheap room in a mouldy basement with a methhead living in the next room. In order to get out of that situation, I had to make a choice that was bad for me, bad for my mental health and which caused me to need nearly a third of my life so far to recover from it. I've only had the luxury of that recovery because I was able to find a handful of friends who were in stable enough living situations to help me. If I didn't have those friends, if I didn't have access to the internet to stay in contact with those friends, then I guarantee you that I would be unable to ever climb out of the hole I was in. I got lucky.

Or could it be = You made a Moral Choice...? wait for it...wait for it...bam! Epiphany!!..

The people in the article are unlikely to have my sheer luck.

Now you're confusing me....are these "people" victims of PTSD...or is it their destiny....

Finally....I am doing my best to avoid & not be guilty of - hostile , sarcastic, ad hominem discussion. You attacked my ability to be logical. That is an insult. A personal attack. & = You serve it = I'm gonna return it.

(& FWIW - I'm like...trying to stop the Marty McFly reflex response = Don't call me Chicken! I'm not there yet. (but) I am progressing = I'm not as quick to throw the first punch. Although I often want to. )

Edited May 18, 2014 by Crashed~N2~Me