Pres. Obama defends use of "Negro" as "in artful"

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Me turned black for a few weeks sounds interesting.

I would love it, you would not.

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The last thing you want is for me to be an even greater authority on all things black (well most things anyway).

Fixed for you.

[decocker 7,198]

hey look, over there, reid said something stupid years ago and obama gave him a pass. let's not worry with that silly cattle rancher and his typical angry old white man rambling.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

hey look, over there, reid said something stupid years ago and obama gave him a pass. let's not worry with that silly cattle rancher and his typical angry old white man rambling.

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[Danno 1,228]

You and good work? Unspeakable. If you woke up one day and you were suddenly black, you would start imagining every way possible to end your flight. People can talk junk all day long but into they walk in some black shoes, they will never know.

Please find one of these talk shows that will turn you into a black man for 2 weeks please.

IF I were Black for 2 weeks, I would ask myself....what is so unique about my people that no matter where we live in the world, we always find we are oppressed or unwanted? (even in Africa)

Other minorities always seem to move ahead of us, even new arrivals, but for some reason so many of us are worse off than we were 40 years ago.

Of course I would consider the slavery aspect and put it to the test.... are Blacks living in formerly Jim Crow and slave areas doing worse?

How are Blacks in parts of the country that never knew Slavery doing, such as Oakland, Chicago or L.A. or London or haiti for that matter.

How are Blacks doing in areas were we Blacks control most Gov't institutions such as Baltimore, Detroit and Birmingham..... are we doing markedly better there than say Nashville?

I think I would conclude that the problem is - we as a people fail to do those everyday things that bring other groups success and until we learn to teach and more importantly employ those principles

we will never (as a people) advance beyond blaming others for our own fate.

Edited April 25, 2014 by Danno

[GandD 5,966]

IF I were Black for 2 weeks, I would ask myself....what is so unique about my people that no matter where we live in the world, we always find we are oppressed or unwanted? (even in Africa)

Other minorities always seem to move ahead of us, even new arrivals, but for some reason so many of us are worse off than we were 40 years ago.

Of course I would consider the slavery aspect and put it to the test.... are Blacks living in formerly Jim Crow and slave areas doing worse?

How are Blacks in parts of the country that never knew Slavery doing, such as Oakland, Chicago or L.A. or London or haiti for that matter.

How are Blacks doing in areas were we Blacks control most Gov't institutions such as Baltimore, Detroit and Birmingham..... are we doing markedly better there than say Nashville?

I think I would conclude that the problem is - we as a people fail to do those everyday things that bring other groups success and until we learn to teach and more importantly employ those principles

we will never (as a people) advance beyond blaming others for our own fate.

Blacks weren't exactly first class citizens in the places they weren't slaves you know. And Haiti was big time slavery. There's a reason blacks were the last real slaves. Europeans, Indians, middle easterners, and Asians all considered (and still do in many cases) blacks to be inferior.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Blacks weren't exactly first class citizens in the places they weren't slaves you know. And Haiti was big time slavery. There's a reason blacks were the last real slaves. Europeans, Indians, middle easterners, and Asians all considered (and still do in many cases) blacks to be inferior.

That is a blanket statement that need some citation.

[GandD 5,966]

That is a blanket statement that need some citation.

It is. I'm on the phone now though so my options are limited.

I'll just change it to, just because they weren't slaves doesn't mean they were treated as equal. This should be obvious when looking at government representatives and the demographics of there districts back in the 1800s.

[GandD 5,966]

F, I can't edit. I mean "their". I'm not dumb. I swear.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

F, I can't edit. I mean "their". I'm not dumb. I swear.

sure, sure

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

It is. I'm on the phone now though so my options are limited.

I'll just change it to, just because they weren't slaves doesn't mean they were treated as equal. This should be obvious when looking at government representatives and the demographics of there districts back in the 1800s.

No doubt. Blacks were not treated as equals, even in the Free States. Repatriation back to Africa was the preferred solution during antebellum. Liberia is an example of one such effort.

No, I was contesting your notion that blacks were and still are, universally considered an inferior race, especially in the middle east. Numerous high civilizations, an Egyptian dynasty, and even many of the early Greeks were of darker complexion and had features unmistakably Sub-Saharan. A long time acquaintance of mine, 100% of Greek heritage, is frequently mistaken for an African American, by other Americans.

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IF I were Black for 2 weeks, I would ask myself....what is so unique about my people that no matter where we live in the world, we always find we are oppressed or unwanted? (even in Africa)

Other minorities always seem to move ahead of us, even new arrivals, but for some reason so many of us are worse off than we were 40 years ago.

Of course I would consider the slavery aspect and put it to the test.... are Blacks living in formerly Jim Crow and slave areas doing worse?

How are Blacks in parts of the country that never knew Slavery doing, such as Oakland, Chicago or L.A. or London or haiti for that matter.

How are Blacks doing in areas were we Blacks control most Gov't institutions such as Baltimore, Detroit and Birmingham..... are we doing markedly better there than say Nashville?

I think I would conclude that the problem is - we as a people fail to do those everyday things that bring other groups success and until we learn to teach and more importantly employ those principles

we will never (as a people) advance beyond blaming others for our own fate.

There was a great migration of Blacks out of the South to settle the West. That is how many ended up in California. There were significant numbers of Black cowboys and settlers. An esitimated 5 million.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_events_migration.html

I see you mentioned Haiti, not by coincidence. Haiti was the first successful revolution in this hemisphere after the U.S. It scared the CHIT out of a then slavery dependent United States. Haiti would have been a successful independent nation but the United States and Europe pursued a policy of isolation and intentionally destabilized it, it's entire history - riddled with corruption and abuses. White people feared the Haitian revolution because the former slaves, and really one can call it a massive slave rebellion to some degree, were brutal to the former slave masters. In the United States many slaves were murdered or taught to made an example once news of the Haitian revolution had spread to the States.

http://history.state.gov/milestones/1784-1800/haitian-rev

Your first statement about Blacks being oppressed and not wanted throughout the world (even Africa) sounds more like an opinion and not based on any real evidence. Are you saying people of color of African descent? Or are you saying Black Americans moving abroad? I think maybe that is just your reflection of how you feel about Black people and nothing based in reality.

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/delusional-disorder-symptoms/

As far as your comments on immigrants moving ahead of Blacks. What time period are you speaking of? If you're talking about the immigration of Europeans to the U.S in particular the North 19th century, they were able to assimilate into a common White identity eventually and were not seen as being an "other" like Blacks and Chinese were. If you're talking in modern times, I would say some pockets of immigrants who come here already bring wealth passed down from generation to generation - perfect example are Indians that I know who have a lot of money and wealth in their families and kids immigrate here. So I would say they are doing better than even White people.

In all honesty Danno, you wouldn't survive as a Black man for 2 minutes much less 2 weeks looking like this:

[Danno 1,228]

There was a great migration of Blacks out of the South to settle the West. That is how many ended up in California. There were significant numbers of Black cowboys and settlers. An esitimated 5 million.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_events_migration.html

I see you mentioned Haiti, not by coincidence. Haiti was the first successful revolution in this hemisphere after the U.S. It scared the CHIT out of a then slavery dependent United States. Haiti would have been a successful independent nation but the United States and Europe pursued a policy of isolation and intentionally destabilized it, it's entire history - riddled with corruption and abuses. White people feared the Haitian revolution because the former slaves, and really one can call it a massive slave rebellion to some degree, were brutal to the former slave masters. In the United States many slaves were murdered or taught to made an example once news of the Haitian revolution had spread to the States.

http://history.state.gov/milestones/1784-1800/haitian-rev

Your first statement about Blacks being oppressed and not wanted throughout the world (even Africa) sounds more like an opinion and not based on any real evidence. Are you saying people of color of African descent? Or are you saying Black Americans moving abroad? I think maybe that is just your reflection of how you feel about Black people and nothing based in reality.

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/delusional-disorder-symptoms/

As far as your comments on immigrants moving ahead of Blacks. What time period are you speaking of? If you're talking about the immigration of Europeans to the U.S in particular the North 19th century, they were able to assimilate into a common White identity eventually and were not seen as being an "other" like Blacks and Chinese were. If you're talking in modern times, I would say some pockets of immigrants who come here already bring wealth passed down from generation to generation - perfect example are Indians that I know who have a lot of money and wealth in their families and kids immigrate here. So I would say they are doing better than even White people.

In all honesty Danno, you wouldn't survive as a Black man for 2 minutes much less 2 weeks looking like this:

I appreciate your reply with substance, sometimes that is rare around here.

-I am aware of the limited Black western migration, but still one would expect the slave and his decedents living in the old slave locations and then later under Jim Crow would be considerably more hindered in progress if that Legacy was so impactful. Even today the vast majority of Blacks are still right here.

-You mentioned Haiti though I think your fats are a bit off. The revolution didn't end slavery, it was about ending White Rule.... which is why all whites were killed and slavery continued.... in fact a decade or so later a group left Haiti with their slaves seeking prosperity.... Where did they go? New Orleans. When they landed, the slave population in New orleans doubled. Haiti was prosperous until the revolution. With the Whites dead and the lighskinned Blacks moved east (Dominican republic) Haiti because a horror show.

-My comments about Blacks being disliked and unwanted around the world was not my observation at all, I was repeating what Marvin get testimony to. According to him the only place that accepted him was one asian country. .

-I stick to my claim that Immigrants in the past and present are leaving blacks behind. I don't have numbers to back that up so maybe "real facts" will prove me wrong but if my area is any example of things at large, Immigrants are working, creating new businesses and flourishing. They are networking, forming organizations civic groups and churches..... these are the things which move a people forward.

To be honest, I feel bad for blacks, the future does not look bright at all when you plot out demographic changes coming and what that will mean for African Americans, it will be interesting to watch it unfold.

They are not only going to be displaced ....but the folks displacing them are not going to care about their slave history. But that is another subject.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You and good work? Unspeakable. If you woke up one day and you were suddenly black, you would start imagining every way possible to end your flight. People can talk junk all day long but into they walk in some black shoes, they will never know.

Please find one of these talk shows that will turn you into a black man for 2 weeks please.

I know what it is like to be black

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

It's all about a matter of convenience and the audience you are speaking to.

On most official forms I have seen White/Caucasian or Black/African American Indian/Native American

I like the term Afro or African American it has it's place just like the word Caucasian to describe Whites. In a matter of dialogue it is commonly acceptable to use the term White and Black interchangeably. I think if you are writing a scholarly paper or perhaps you are addressing an audience in a formal setting it is more socially acceptable to use the longer descriptions. But no when I am talking casually or on these forums I'm not going to type out usually Caucasian or African American - most of the time I am writing using the same words I would speak (minus the profanity)

The word Negro is not socially acceptable anymore. African American geographically describes Black peoples origins. Just like Irish American, Italian American or Native American. Like I said in previous posts for me I think everyone should celebrate or recognize their cultural roots that is what this country is about.

Please refer to me henceforth as Salzburg/English American