Very disappointing - Trying to get visa for my mother-in-law

[novedsac 355]

A bank account going from 3,000 to 30,000 in the course of a year in a country whose average per capita income is 6,000 per annum (2012 figure) is most definitely a red flag and questionable.

One does not need to demonstrate intent to leave the USA; the requirement is to demonstrate ties to their home country which increases the likelihood of their return.

You're mother in law was denied because she failed to overcome the presumption to immigrate which is what the consular officers are required by law to presume.

Also, a green card can (and often is) denied for reasons other than the beneficiary being a criminal. Furthermore, as noted above, the green card will be summarily revoked if your mother in law does not reside in the USA for the majority of her time. It is a residential document not a traveling document.

I'm surprised with all your research that you didn't know better.

[RhettVoe 282]

But the OP gave a local guard a bunch of grief...but that did not change a thing.

Visas are NOT issued for compassionate reasons...that does not even enter into the equation. What matters are the reasons (if any) that the CO believes will motivate the applicant to LEAVE the United States when it's time, and NOT engage in unauthorized employment. Any reasons given for the purpose of the trip are meaningless. COs are not there to feel sorry for an applicant and thus disregard our laws.

You may not agree with their decisions; they didn't agree with your feeble attempt to fool them. Guess who won?

[NBF 1]

But the OP gave a local guard a bunch of grief...but that did not change a thing.

Visas are NOT issued for compassionate reasons...that does not even enter into the equation. What matters are the reasons (if any) that the CO believes will motivate the applicant to LEAVE the United States when it's time, and NOT engage in unauthorized employment. Any reasons given for the purpose of the trip are meaningless. COs are not there to feel sorry for an applicant and thus disregard our laws.

You may not agree with their decisions; they didn't agree with your feeble attempt to fool them. Guess who won?

RhettVoe, looks like this is not over yet if his wife becomes a USCIT and petitions for her mother to immigrate to the US. Why would you even state, "guess who won?", as though it's a game? Looks like you have a dog in the fight.

[AmyWrites 593]

The embassy/consul is not stupid, and that's exactly why they denied an applicant whose bank account jumped from 3k to 30k. Job well done on their part, this looks very bad.

And no, there are no "different rules" for different embassies. There are high fraud places where most tourist visa applications will be denied, and such, but no actual "different rules".

Green cards are NOT for unlimited travel, and she'll lose her green card if she spends most of her time abroad. Don't waste everyone's time applying for a green card if she has no intention of actually living in the US. And yes, they can deny the application.

Applications are often looked at before the person comes in for the interview. Hence why they may or may not ask many questions at the actual interview.

And your comparison to the Tel Aviv airport, that's what they do, kind of. They see your application and deny or approve accordingly. In my very humble opinion, the denial rates for certain kinds of visas should be higher, but whatever.

[RhettVoe 282]

The MIL may well get a green card in the future....but a tourist visa is as likely as the OP finding the Holy Grail in his toilet bowl.

[NBF 1]

Amy, Amy, Amy, looks like their hands are tied. The USEMB gives them no other choice in having their mother/MIL visit them. I agree the dumping of largesse (thank you RhettVoe for this term) into her bank account was corny and does not look good at all, but it seems as though they are desperate to have the lady come and visit. If they this is all they truly wish to happen, why say, "Don't waste everyone's time applying for a green card if she has no intention of actually living in the US. And yes, they can deny the application." It's not that easy for the USEMB to deny an I5 as it is for the B2. I think you and RhettVoe know this. They appear to rather have the mom visit on a B2, but are now being pushed to go the I5 route which has a higher chance of being approved.

The embassy/consul is not stupid, and that's exactly why they denied an applicant whose bank account jumped from 3k to 30k. Job well done on their part, this looks very bad.

And no, there are no "different rules" for different embassies. There are high fraud places where most tourist visa applications will be denied, and such, but no actual "different rules".

Green cards are NOT for unlimited travel, and she'll lose her green card if she spends most of her time abroad. Don't waste everyone's time applying for a green card if she has no intention of actually living in the US. And yes, they can deny the application.

Applications are often looked at before the person comes in for the interview. Hence why they may or may not ask many questions at the actual interview.

And your comparison to the Tel Aviv airport, that's what they do, kind of. They see your application and deny or approve accordingly. In my very humble opinion, the denial rates for certain kinds of visas should be higher, but whatever.

[RhettVoe 282]

The OP thought that he was more important than anyone, which he indicated by his telling the tale of abusing a local guard...but his actions did not produce a visa....no matter how loud he may whine, or what congressman he writes, he tried to game the 'system' and failed. Oh well.

A green card application is an entirely different process (one that the OP clearly does not understand, along with countless other facts or rules within our visa system)...he tried to fool a CO..the CO was not fooled...the poor guard was not even a part of the process (except security, again, a policy that is outside the authority of the OP), but the OP certainly showed him 'who was boss.' Fat lot of good that did.

My guess is that the COs re-tell this story during a party and are laughing themselves silly....

[NBF 1]

RhettVoe, I truly agree with this. And you should know the Holy Grail is in Leon, Spain as we speak and not in his toilet bowl. LOL.

The MIL may well get a green card in the future....but a tourist visa is as likely as the OP finding the Holy Grail in his toilet bowl.

[RhettVoe 282]

wow.....where exactly in Leon, Spain? On display? or hidden in some cave that no knows about? But I'm guessing that the OP does not live in Leon, and thus, the Holy Grail is not sealed in a Ziploc tucked inside his toilet bowl?

[NBF 1]

"Historians Claim To Have Recovered Holy Grail"

http://nypost.com/2014/03/31/historians-claim-to-have-recovered-fabled-holy-grail/

wow.....where exactly in Leon, Spain? On display? or hidden in some cave that no knows about? But I'm guessing that the OP does not live in Leon, and thus, the Holy Grail is not sealed in a Ziploc tucked inside his toilet bowl?

[Avery Cates 1,141]

- I have not cursed my attempts simply because there is are no set rules at all. Every country has different rules, and in the end it doesn't matter since a person who has a specious amount of training and little to no care of people in general, makes this arbitrary decision.

Of course there's no set of posted rules. The minute they do that, the minute they have everyone trying to find the ways to "win," show exactly what they're asking for, largely through fraudulence and silly git things like suddenly dumping large amounts of money into a family member's bank account.

My mother in law would not want to live in the US even if she was paid to.

Good, she won't be needing that green card then.

[RhettVoe 282]

Careful....showing inconsistencies in somebody's postings might be grounds for admin action!

The basic rules: overcome 214b.

Rules that are not always displayed in public, but are assumed to known by everyone (who has ethics): don't commit fraud when trying to get a visa....tell the truth, don't make up stories, don't dump money into someone else's bank account and expect that a Co will buy this as the truth.

Or, try to game the system and when you fail, don't bother to blame others because no one will believe you....

Finally, abusing a local guard or a local employee of one of our embassies (not a CO, because few feather fluffers would try and most all would fail) will do nothing to enhance the chance of successively getting a visa...all it will do is lead to other insurmountable problems for that person and any applicant associated with him or her.

Of course, some people's egos are too inflated and they try to bully their way to success...but at the end of the day, no matter how important somebody thinks they are, they cannot order a CO to do anything...ever. Nor can a congressman. Nor an immigration attorney. Nor anyone else.

[AmyWrites 593]

Amy, Amy, Amy, looks like their hands are tied. The USEMB gives them no other choice in having their mother/MIL visit them. I agree the dumping of largesse (thank you RhettVoe for this term) into her bank account was corny and does not look good at all, but it seems as though they are desperate to have the lady come and visit. If they this is all they truly wish to happen, why say, "Don't waste everyone's time applying for a green card if she has no intention of actually living in the US. And yes, they can deny the application." It's not that easy for the USEMB to deny an I5 as it is for the B2. I think you and RhettVoe know this. They appear to rather have the mom visit on a B2, but are now being pushed to go the I5 route which has a higher chance of being approved.

True, but if her intention truly is to just "visit" the US using said green card, she'll lose it eventually.

[RhettVoe 282]

The OP's MIL may well get a GC in the future....so what? If she is entitled to it, well, so be it. Immigrant visa applications and its process are totally different than the process of getting a tourist visa....and, as the OP discovered, abusing local guards and 'demanding to speak to an American' won't do anything towards another person associated with that abuser of guards to help them get a visa....in fact, it will only worsen that person's chances. The self important egotistical Amcit who thinks he or she can ride roughshod over a CO is only fooling themselves...the COs are outside the US, outside other rules and regulations, and their decisions cannot be overturned on some whim, nor by the supreme court of the US...so thump your chest, wave your blue passport around and continue to abuse local employees of our embassies overseas....and see what it gets you....often, it will get you escorted to the exit. then what? Do you really believe that your congressman is going to order (or try to order) a CO to do something? sorry, but congressman Slushfund lacks the authority to tell anyone what to do. Your pedigree, your educational background, your political persuasion, your bank account or your supposed connections have no value whatsoever in the tourist visa process....zilch, nada, zero....

[Cathi 5,748]

Well they could only deny it if she had some kind of criminal record, which she doesn't. We only wanted her to come visit her grandson for a few months before being able to have the green card which would be unlimited travel.

I am just shocked at these ridiculous people that are not even American. They are shitty locals that are employed by this local consulate and think they are superior to others. It's a very typical attittude in Georgia as a whole. They think money makes you a better person. At the embassy, they don't even listen or care about your circumstances. They think they are doing someone a favour by being cruel to locals. And we Americans wonder why people hate us. We are not the greatest country in the world. Far from it! Our country was built on the backs of hard working people that came to our country wanting to make a better life for themselves, then understanding that nobody wins unless we all win.

Chris

a green card is not unlimited travel. She will be required to live and reside in the US with a green card. If she plans to live in Georgia and use her green card for a visitor visa, that is fraud. An i-130 is for living here, not visiting