Denied, Reaffirmed, AP 4 months, Interview 221g sent to US to Revoke

[Virtuous45 31]

I am so sorry that this happened to you. You (and anyone else going through similar things, for that matter) deserve better.

I commend you for turning your pain around and focusing your energy on helping others.

I believe that because of this, a big blessing will be coming your way.

Thanks for all you've done and continue to do.

I agree Sofia. I've always been impressed by the advice coming from our experts like dwheels. One thing though...I somehow got the impression dwheels was male. Not difference in my observation though..I'm sorry that you had to experience that heart-rending event, but I will always appreciate the advice you give to the rest of us who need it.

[Avery Cates 1,141]

Okay this is one for the ages and never have I seen anything like this. (Asking for a friend).

History

1. Petition denied at interview in Lagos (2012). Petition sent back
2. Reaffirmed FALL 2013. Interview scheduled January 2014
3. Put in AP from January to April 2014.
4. 2nd interview scheduled
5. No questions asked just CO saying your petition will be sent back for Petitioner response. 221g given.

This has been over 2 years in the making and I sure have never seen a denial reaffirmed, put on AP then Denied again and being sent back.

The 221g says " that the relationship between the beneficiary and petitioner is not bonafide". Just like the 1st letter they got at denial interview in November 2012.

Any advice or direction I can help this person out with?

They very likely have some good clean evidence of fraudulence on the petitioner or the beneficiary.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

Even if chats are not submitted that could be misunderstood, they can get any communication they want during AP. There is nothing you can hide

once you had your digital conversations. Nothing.

[dwheels76 5,468]

Oh, dwheels76....HUG. HUG HUG HUG.

Awww Thank you. You are sweet.

[giftason80 1]

Oh boy.... this is way more serious than i actually thought!....sorry to the affected ones!

[dwheels76 5,468]

This is my story with my wife, i was the beneficiary, and i was giving 221G, and i had good interview as far as i knew, they sent my case back to USCIS and we were waiting for over 4 month, we kept calling and calling then we received a surpise that our case was expired and we need to refil, we did refill and guess what same thing 221G, sent back this time we had congressman working with us and all it was because the CO asked me question about what kind of car she is driving and i and gave the correct one but my wife at that time had a diffirent car on her name but her mom gave her a loaner car until she is get it fix, also one of the question they ask me how much she make, i said around 30K but she was making at that time like 26K, another question was what why are you bring $2000 i said because i will my money in US not my country since i am going to immigrate, and CO said are you trying to pay her to help you come to US i said NOOOOOO she makes more money and $2000 does not worth 2 years of hassle and waiting, she can make $2000 in less then a month, it turn out that the CO read one of the emails we were sending each other back on 2005, about giving her the money to buy me a camera and computer so we she can bring them with her when she will visit, and email was just stating that she can paty it and i will pay her back. and another email she sent me and said that she will get them to me as a gift, and i replied back and said you know what we will be as wife and husband and my money is yours so i will give you the $2000 to put in a join bank account.

so for the reason above that denied me visa, but we fought and i am here now, and i am a USCIS just have to be patien, they are just doing there job but it will cost time and money.

Well with them they were denied, than reaffirmed than 2nd interview then now denied.

She has talked to Lauren Scott and unfortunately Lauren has said she has not had much luck with 2nd denials getting a good result. But she would want to see the why it got denied. So now its the get information time.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

Love the popcorn emoticon. I have referred her to go to Lauren Scott since its Wednesday and her free chat online is today (free consult ya know). And also referred her to Marc Ellis but he isn't taking any new cases until June 2014 but I told her to seek him anyway maybe he knows another GOOD immigration attorney.

I am very interested myself and pray it has a happy good "No surprises" ending. We don't need another dwheels SURPRISE before interview.

A consult with Marc ( Mark is very hard to get a hold of) or Lauren is definitely worth it but they would have to have a clue beforehand on what the issue may be.

Seems like they have no idea at this time. Some petitioners can be called in for a local field office interview and have a verbal

'chit chat' right there. Does not happen often but can indeed happen. While K1's just get pitched quickly, we can see the

back and forth second and third chances for rebuttals with CR1's and it's definite advantages.

I hope it is just a misunderstanding, so many times silly stuff gets misconstrued when it can be easily cleared up with a direct

question and answer but they rather put you in AP forever than have you clear up a simple thing they are suspicious of.

At least they give them yet another chance.

May the seeds you sow in helping others bring you a good harvest dwheels.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

Well with them they were denied, than reaffirmed than 2nd interview then now denied.

She has talked to Lauren Scott and unfortunately Lauren has said she has not had much luck with 2nd denials getting a good result. But she would want to see the why it got denied. So now its the get information time.

Technically not denials but refusals. Only USCIS can deny not the embassy. They have not been denied/revoked yet.

We have successful couples here with 3 and 4 "refusals to issue" and repeated interviews over downright stupid stuff.

I hope they will chime in, their petitions were also returned more than once, so there is still hope.

I consider Marc successful with many returns, whereas Lauren is the best with waivers in my opinion.

[Peace&Love 26]

Thank you all for the useful information you put out for us all. Recently my fiance visa was denied by the US Interest section in Havana, but we do not know why? We submitted all the documents required and more than enough evidences. I thought we did well on the interview. At the end of the interview they told us that they will give a call to my fiance in two weeks. Also they gave a paper for my fiance to submit new police record, what he submitted was 4 months old. My fiance submitted the new clear police record a week later the interview and at that time they kept his passport and they told him to come back a week later. After a week later when he went back, they gave him back his passport and they told him they will call him when the process is done. 52 days passed with out hearing anything from them then I asked my congressman to contact the Interest section. The answer they gave to the congressman was they denied our visa "based on my fiance answers and evidence provided during interview, the officer determined the petitioner and beneficiary had failed to show a bona fied relationship. Accordingly, we are returning this case to USCIS with our recommendation that it be revoked. Be aware that it can take 4-6 months on average, before the case file finishes it transit back to the USCIS". I asked the congressman to ask the officer note why they denied the visa, but the congressman responded saying "we have attempted to obtain interview notes several times in the past, and government has consistently claimed that they are prevented from disclosing these records under section 222(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act". So how do I find out why we where denied? Can you please share your experience how you found out what went wrong? We still didn't get 221g from the Interest Section, our online case status shows the case is READY for interview when appointment is made. With the status update date showing the last date they have answered to the congressman.

We are planning on getting married this summer in a third country. Because getting married in Cuba is not an option for us since the Cuban Interest Section DC have closed a couple of months ago and we don't know when they re open. Documents from us required to be authenticated before used in Cuba so I have no way doing that since the office is closed. So, is my marring in a third county is a smart decisions. I know the K-1 petition will expire by the time it makes it back to USCIS and I will have to re file again. Soon I will write letter of withdrawal of my k-1 start filing for CR-1. Can you please advise me if I'm doing the right thing? Thank you all and VJ has been really helpful through the processes. Also who are the lawyers talked about (Marc and Lauren). Do you think I need to get a lawyer?

Thank you all,

Love and blessings....

[dwheels76 5,468]

Thank you all for the useful information you put out for us all. Recently my fiance visa was denied by the US Interest section in Havana, but we do not know why? We submitted all the documents required and more than enough evidences. I thought we did well on the interview. At the end of the interview they told us that they will give a call to my fiance in two weeks. Also they gave a paper for my fiance to submit new police record, what he submitted was 4 months old. My fiance submitted the new clear police record a week later the interview and at that time they kept his passport and they told him to come back a week later. After a week later when he went back, they gave him back his passport and they told him they will call him when the process is done. 52 days passed with out hearing anything from them then I asked my congressman to contact the Interest section. The answer they gave to the congressman was they denied our visa "based on my fiance answers and evidence provided during interview, the officer determined the petitioner and beneficiary had failed to show a bona fied relationship. Accordingly, we are returning this case to USCIS with our recommendation that it be revoked. Be aware that it can take 4-6 months on average, before the case file finishes it transit back to the USCIS". I asked the congressman to ask the officer note why they denied the visa, but the congressman responded saying "we have attempted to obtain interview notes several times in the past, and government has consistently claimed that they are prevented from disclosing these records under section 222(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act". So how do I find out why we where denied? Can you please share your experience how you found out what went wrong? We still didn't get 221g from the Interest Section, our online case status shows the case is READY for interview when appointment is made. With the status update date showing the last date they have answered to the congressman.

We are planning on getting married this summer in a third country. Because getting married in Cuba is not an option for us since the Cuban Interest Section DC have closed a couple of months ago and we don't know when they re open. Documents from us required to be authenticated before used in Cuba so I have no way doing that since the office is closed. So, is my marring in a third county is a smart decisions. I know the K-1 petition will expire by the time it makes it back to USCIS and I will have to re file again. Soon I will write letter of withdrawal of my k-1 start filing for CR-1. Can you please advise me if I'm doing the right thing? Thank you all and VJ has been really helpful through the processes. Also who are the lawyers talked about (Marc and Lauren). Do you think I need to get a lawyer?

Thank you all,

Love and blessings....

You will never know especially on a fiance Visa. When they just state "Not enough proof of bonafide relationship". It can mean alot its not just evidence its the total package. Visits, family, age difference. If it doesn't all add up they deny. It's always more leeway when the couple is married. Any couple having red flags should never do a K1.

Get married soon as you can and file the I-130 petition is all you can do. Your petition will be sent back and it will expire leaving you no recourse but to refile (not wise) or get married and file.

Really sorry. The case I posted is a friend going through this and her husband swears to no wrong doing no secret wife or family.

You can always consult with one but unless your case needs waivers or special documentation a lawyer can't do anything for you.

Lauren Scott has her own website too bad you were late today on Wednesdays she has online web chats you can ask anything and its free. But go to her website

www.scottimmigration.net/‎

Marc Ellis isn;t taking on any new clients but you can always call and ask, Maybe he has recommendations

www.marcellislaw.com/‎

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

Thank you all for the useful information you put out for us all. Recently my fiance visa was denied by the US Interest section in Havana, but we do not know why? We submitted all the documents required and more than enough evidences. I thought we did well on the interview. At the end of the interview they told us that they will give a call to my fiance in two weeks. Also they gave a paper for my fiance to submit new police record, what he submitted was 4 months old. My fiance submitted the new clear police record a week later the interview and at that time they kept his passport and they told him to come back a week later. After a week later when he went back, they gave him back his passport and they told him they will call him when the process is done. 52 days passed with out hearing anything from them then I asked my congressman to contact the Interest section. The answer they gave to the congressman was they denied our visa "based on my fiance answers and evidence provided during interview, the officer determined the petitioner and beneficiary had failed to show a bona fied relationship. Accordingly, we are returning this case to USCIS with our recommendation that it be revoked. Be aware that it can take 4-6 months on average, before the case file finishes it transit back to the USCIS". I asked the congressman to ask the officer note why they denied the visa, but the congressman responded saying "we have attempted to obtain interview notes several times in the past, and government has consistently claimed that they are prevented from disclosing these records under section 222(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act". So how do I find out why we where denied? Can you please share your experience how you found out what went wrong? We still didn't get 221g from the Interest Section, our online case status shows the case is READY for interview when appointment is made. With the status update date showing the last date they have answered to the congressman.

We are planning on getting married this summer in a third country. Because getting married in Cuba is not an option for us since the Cuban Interest Section DC have closed a couple of months ago and we don't know when they re open. Documents from us required to be authenticated before used in Cuba so I have no way doing that since the office is closed. So, is my marring in a third county is a smart decisions. I know the K-1 petition will expire by the time it makes it back to USCIS and I will have to re file again. Soon I will write letter of withdrawal of my k-1 start filing for CR-1. Can you please advise me if I'm doing the right thing? Thank you all and VJ has been really helpful through the processes. Also who are the lawyers talked about (Marc and Lauren). Do you think I need to get a lawyer?

Thank you all,

Love and blessings....

First,it is always more beneficial to post your own topic rather than insert it here in someone else's thread as it causes confusion.

1.) I want to address your questions above that I bolded in your post.

You were given the term "lack of bona fide evidence" as a blanket general reason to refuse the visa.

In order to understand the deeper meaning you must know your red flags. They can be:

Short relationship before engagement

short visit

only one visit

large age gap

not enough evidence submitted,

there are other flags, these are just a few.

2.) You can file a FOIA yourself or use a lawyer, it is not that big of a deal to do it yourself. You may not find out all the reasons but

will usually have some consular notes to give you a little insight into what they do not like about your case and address it with your

next CR1 filing. Review your consulate's reviews that other members wrote and what worked and didn't work for them.

3.) Marriage in a third country can either go alright or be a total disastrous attempt.

Depending on what country you chose, one of you has to be a legal resident and/or live there for a certain amount of time.

Some countries take a long time to process the marriage application and both may have to be there in order to apply.

So many countries....so many rules and regulations and so many bumps in the road.

I do not know how hard it is for Cubans to travel to varies countries so you need to do a lot of research, then get on the phone and

confirm your online research personally with officials of the third country.

Post in your regional forum and see if others have done the same and what they suggest.

This is best advised through experience with the same scenario.

For us it was a total flop and too much BS to even mention here as it would derail this thread, so we are re filing a K1.

We would have preferred a CR1 as it is the better route to go and a second K1 may be risky as it can expire just like the first one

when returned. On the other hand there have been successful K1 re filers. It's a bit of a gamble and hind sight is always 20/20.

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

We were refused our first K1 and do to the exact wording of what the CO stated to my husband we had the answer and a rather odd response. USCIS expired the first petition but we had already launched the second K1 and it flew through the system and we got a visa and other than a rude comment from the second CO about his father dying because he was going to marry a white woman the interview went in our favor. If you go over everything that happened during the interview you may figure out what the issue was, sometime it works sometimes it doesn't

[clawal 1]

Technically not denials but refusals. Only USCIS can deny not the embassy. They have not been denied/revoked yet.

We have successful couples here with 3 and 4 "refusals to issue" and repeated interviews over downright stupid stuff.

I hope they will chime in, their petitions were also returned more than once, so there is still hope.

I consider Marc successful with many returns, whereas Lauren is the best with waivers in my opinion.

What is the difference between a denial, refusual, revocation?

[Peace&Love 26]

Thank you all for useful answers, sorry for the post on someone else's thread. It seems like people know what they talking about on this tread that is why. I have posted in the past on my thread, but I didn't get that much respond, maybe I'm posting in the wrong place. My apology for posting here. Thank yo so much all for the contributions.

Love and blessings....

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

What is the difference between a denial, refusual, revocation?

A refusal (also called here for VJ purposes 'soft denial' ) happens when the CO 'refuses' to issue the visa.

However the CO does not have the authority to 'deny' your case.

Denial is something only the USCIS does.

The CO 'refuses' to issue the visa and returns it to USCIS with recommendation to revoke (deny) and then USCIS will either

reaffirm it and send it again to the consulate or deny (or expire the petition for K1 as they do not get reaffirmed).

When people here say a visa has been denied at the embassy they mean refusal because no CO has the authority to deny, only

USCIS does. Refusal is the technical correct term.