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Boiler Grand Master

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Anyone living and / or working in the US illegally should not ever be entitled to any benefit whatsoever. Period. Legal immigrants and legally employed and contributing non-immigrants ought to have their entitlements based on their contributions just like any US citizen. Anything else is #######.

What about their children? Should people working in the US illegally be eligible for neonatal care, for example?

Free? (Actually free = paid for by others, like you and me)

Obviously not.

If they pay for it, I have no real problem.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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Even if it's an older kid, and it IS illegal, Charles, your attitude honestly made my stomach turn. I never thought anyone would take it this far.

not my mission to save the world and collect the whole set alex. kids die everywhere. why aren't you out collecting money for those in africa? if such turns your stomach, it sucks to be you.

I never thought people would encourage allowing children to remain sick or even die, but I learn something new on VJ every time I log in.

again, why are the kids of illegals my problem?

i think we would do much better by taking care of the legal kids of legal parents here ;)

Sure, kids die everywhere. We have the power to control whether or not they die because of lack of medical care right here in our own country. That's why we should do it, no matter how they got there. Because that kid didn't choose to be born to illegal parents in or outside the U.S.

There are so many things wrong with what you just said that I can't even begin to address one of them.

I can honestly say you make me sick. I have now lost all respect for you.

eta: I know that was harsh, and I'm sorry. I think you are probably just blind to what it is you're saying. I honestly don't believe someone who loves animals as much as you do could have such cruel attitudes toward small children, so, I'm sorry.

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*Alexandra*

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w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r Grand Master

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Charles,

A minor child has no choice in where he/she lives. He/she goes where mommy/daddy takes 'em. I don't know about you but when I was young I didn't get to question their decisions :P

A person who involuntarily commits a crime is not a criminal.

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Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is.

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Charles,

A minor child has no choice in where he/she lives. He/she goes where mommy/daddy takes 'em. I don't know about you but when I was young I didn't get to question their decisions :P

A person who involuntarily commits a crime is not a criminal.

The other side of the argument is the illegal mother & illegal father does not have to have a baby here in US.

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Jan 11 2005 : Beneficiary received DS 3032 in Indonesia

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Feb 25, 2005 : Sent I-864 fee bill

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Mar 3, 2005 : IV fee bill received

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Mar 9, 2005 : IV fee bill delivered to St Louis

Mar 28, 2005 : I-864 fee credited against case.

April 6, 2005 : Received I-864 package

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April 11, 2005 : DS 230 is generated

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Sep 14, 2005 : RFE on I-864

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Jan 12 2006 : Interview success - Approved !!

Jan 19 2006 : Visa & brown envelope picked up

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Charles,

A minor child has no choice in where he/she lives. He/she goes where mommy/daddy takes 'em. I don't know about you but when I was young I didn't get to question their decisions :P

A person who involuntarily commits a crime is not a criminal.

The other side of the argument is the illegal mother & illegal father does not have to have a baby here in US.

They should abort their pregnancies then?

*Alexandra*

(I did it)

Boiler Grand Master

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Charles,

A minor child has no choice in where he/she lives. He/she goes where mommy/daddy takes 'em. I don't know about you but when I was young I didn't get to question their decisions :P

A person who involuntarily commits a crime is not a criminal.

Illegal presence is not a crime.

As far as Medical Insurance is concerned there is no national system in the US and like everthing else, limited resources.

So if you provide free cover for visitors then you are both:

- Encouraging such behaviour

- Denying resources to other people.

How do you explain your position to someone who does 'play by the rules', sorry you are just going to have to suffer because our budget is taken up catering for those who do not?

A person who involuntarily commits a crime is not a criminal.

I must remember that next time I get caught for speeding.

Edited by Boiler

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r Grand Master

w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r   123

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Charles,

A minor child has no choice in where he/she lives. He/she goes where mommy/daddy takes 'em. I don't know about you but when I was young I didn't get to question their decisions :P

A person who involuntarily commits a crime is not a criminal.

The other side of the argument is the illegal mother & illegal father does not have to have a baby here in US.

I hope you are pro-choice.

Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is.

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Charles,

A minor child has no choice in where he/she lives. He/she goes where mommy/daddy takes 'em. I don't know about you but when I was young I didn't get to question their decisions :P

A person who involuntarily commits a crime is not a criminal.

The other side of the argument is the illegal mother & illegal father does not have to have a baby here in US.

They should abort their pregnancies then?

And therefore you are pro-choice?

Good!

tom&tata Proficient

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Charles,

A minor child has no choice in where he/she lives. He/she goes where mommy/daddy takes 'em. I don't know about you but when I was young I didn't get to question their decisions :P

A person who involuntarily commits a crime is not a criminal.

The other side of the argument is the illegal mother & illegal father does not have to have a baby here in US.

They should abort their pregnancies then?

I was not saying that. That was only showing the other side of the argument from Gupt.

But seriously, my personal belief is as long as you can afford to have kids & take care of them, I don't care if their mother & father are illegals or not.

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I-130

Jun 28 2004 : Received at NSC

Oct 25 2004 : Transferred to CSC

Oct 29 2004 : Received at CSC

Nov 8 2004 : Received response from CSC that my file is being requested & review will be done

Nov 10 2004 : Email & online status Approved

Nov 15 2004 : NOA 2 in mail

Dec 16 2004 : NVC assigns case number

Dec 20 2004 : NVC sent DS 3032 to beneficiary, copy of DS 3032 & I-864 fee bill to petitioner

Jan 3 2005 : Petitioner received copy of DS 3032 and I-864 fee bill. Post-marked Dec 23rd.

Jan 11 2005 : Beneficiary received DS 3032 in Indonesia

Jan 31 2005 : Sent DS 3032 to NVC

Feb 8, 2005 : NVC received DS 3032

Feb 21, 2005 : IV fee generated

Feb 25, 2005 : Sent I-864 fee bill

Feb 28, 2005 : I-864 fee bill delivered to St Louis

Mar 3, 2005 : IV fee bill received

Mar 7, 2005 : Sent IV fee bill

Mar 9, 2005 : IV fee bill delivered to St Louis

Mar 28, 2005 : I-864 fee credited against case.

April 6, 2005 : Received I-864 package

April 7, 2005 : Immigrant Visa fee credited against case.

April 11, 2005 : DS 230 is generated

Aug 12, 2005 : I-864 & DS 230 received by NVC

Sep 14, 2005 : RFE on I-864

Nov 3, 2005 : Checklist response received at NVC

Nov 25, 2005 : Case completion

Dec 9, 2005 : Police Cert requested from the Netherlands

Jan 12 2006 : Interview success - Approved !!

Jan 19 2006 : Visa & brown envelope picked up

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Charles,

A minor child has no choice in where he/she lives. He/she goes where mommy/daddy takes 'em. I don't know about you but when I was young I didn't get to question their decisions :P

A person who involuntarily commits a crime is not a criminal.

Illegal presence is not a crime.

As far as Medical Insurance is concerned there is no national system in the US and like everthing else, limited resources.

So if you provide free cover for visitors then you are both:

- Encouraging such behaviour

- Denying resources to other people.

How do you explain your position to someone who does 'play by the rules', sorry you are just going to have to suffer because our budget is taken up catering for those who do not?

Oh, so you are encouraging foreigners to have sex in your country if you have free healthcare???

What about free motel rooms???

w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r Grand Master

w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r   123

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How do you explain your position to someone who does 'play by the rules', sorry you are just going to have to suffer because our budget is taken up catering for those who do not?

Easy. I explain to them what should be obvious to all of you. Adults and minors are not the same. Minors have little say in where they live. They can not be held to the same standards as adults.

By the way, the corollary to my argument is this - that when you deport illegal adults, their children (legal or not) should go with them too. Preserve the family structure over all. Give the children their treatment (you know, so they don't die - it's the pro-life thing to do) and then send em home.

Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is.

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Charles,

A minor child has no choice in where he/she lives. He/she goes where mommy/daddy takes 'em. I don't know about you but when I was young I didn't get to question their decisions :P

A person who involuntarily commits a crime is not a criminal.

Illegal presence is not a crime.

As far as Medical Insurance is concerned there is no national system in the US and like everthing else, limited resources.

So if you provide free cover for visitors then you are both:

- Encouraging such behaviour

- Denying resources to other people.

How do you explain your position to someone who does 'play by the rules', sorry you are just going to have to suffer because our budget is taken up catering for those who do not?

I mean, even Argentines offer to their turists free healthcare (even free Dental care)...

And they think they are God.

What a small mind some of you, Americans, have....

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Illegal presence is not a crime.

As far as Medical Insurance is concerned there is no national system in the US and like everthing else, limited resources.

So if you provide free cover for visitors then you are both:

- Encouraging such behaviour

- Denying resources to other people.

How do you explain your position to someone who does 'play by the rules', sorry you are just going to have to suffer because our budget is taken up catering for those who do not?

I know what you mean, and in fact I was talking to a good friend who is a teacher in Phoenix. One third of the K-6 school she works at is illegal and she was brought in (Teach for America) because of a teacher shortage. There are all kinds of problems like that.

But those things aren't going to stop illegal immigration. That's why we need a realistic solution, IMO, not just making it harder and harder to be illegal. They still come.

*Alexandra*

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Boiler Grand Master

Boiler   46,300

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Charles,

A minor child has no choice in where he/she lives. He/she goes where mommy/daddy takes 'em. I don't know about you but when I was young I didn't get to question their decisions :P

A person who involuntarily commits a crime is not a criminal.

Illegal presence is not a crime.

As far as Medical Insurance is concerned there is no national system in the US and like everthing else, limited resources.

So if you provide free cover for visitors then you are both:

- Encouraging such behaviour

- Denying resources to other people.

How do you explain your position to someone who does 'play by the rules', sorry you are just going to have to suffer because our budget is taken up catering for those who do not?

Oh, so you are encouraging foreigners to have sex in your country if you have free healthcare???

What about free motel rooms???

Most countries with a National system restrict full benefits to residents.

Many such countries have reciprocal arrangements with similar countries for care of their residents abroard.

Neither applies to the US.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

tom&tata Proficient

tom&tata   2

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Charles,

A minor child has no choice in where he/she lives. He/she goes where mommy/daddy takes 'em. I don't know about you but when I was young I didn't get to question their decisions :P

A person who involuntarily commits a crime is not a criminal.

Illegal presence is not a crime.

As far as Medical Insurance is concerned there is no national system in the US and like everthing else, limited resources.

So if you provide free cover for visitors then you are both:

- Encouraging such behaviour

- Denying resources to other people.

How do you explain your position to someone who does 'play by the rules', sorry you are just going to have to suffer because our budget is taken up catering for those who do not?

I mean, even Argentines offer to their turists free healthcare (even free Dental care)...

And they think they are God.

What a small mind some of you, Americans, have....

Thanks for the info.

What do they do differently in Argentines so that they do not have 12+ million illegals? Or is illegal immigration an issue there too ?

I-130

Jun 28 2004 : Received at NSC

Oct 25 2004 : Transferred to CSC

Oct 29 2004 : Received at CSC

Nov 8 2004 : Received response from CSC that my file is being requested & review will be done

Nov 10 2004 : Email & online status Approved

Nov 15 2004 : NOA 2 in mail

Dec 16 2004 : NVC assigns case number

Dec 20 2004 : NVC sent DS 3032 to beneficiary, copy of DS 3032 & I-864 fee bill to petitioner

Jan 3 2005 : Petitioner received copy of DS 3032 and I-864 fee bill. Post-marked Dec 23rd.

Jan 11 2005 : Beneficiary received DS 3032 in Indonesia

Jan 31 2005 : Sent DS 3032 to NVC

Feb 8, 2005 : NVC received DS 3032

Feb 21, 2005 : IV fee generated

Feb 25, 2005 : Sent I-864 fee bill

Feb 28, 2005 : I-864 fee bill delivered to St Louis

Mar 3, 2005 : IV fee bill received

Mar 7, 2005 : Sent IV fee bill

Mar 9, 2005 : IV fee bill delivered to St Louis

Mar 28, 2005 : I-864 fee credited against case.

April 6, 2005 : Received I-864 package

April 7, 2005 : Immigrant Visa fee credited against case.

April 11, 2005 : DS 230 is generated

Aug 12, 2005 : I-864 & DS 230 received by NVC

Sep 14, 2005 : RFE on I-864

Nov 3, 2005 : Checklist response received at NVC

Nov 25, 2005 : Case completion

Dec 9, 2005 : Police Cert requested from the Netherlands

Jan 12 2006 : Interview success - Approved !!

Jan 19 2006 : Visa & brown envelope picked up

 

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