Bodies of 7 babies found hidden in garage

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Marv..... show me the law that says you can drive 35 mph.

Laws generally say what you can't do not the endless list of what you can do.

If a State does not prevent it, if the federal Gov't does not prevent it... it is legal.

Why are you deflecting? You were asked a simple question. If you can't answer it, just admit it.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Marv..... show me the law that says you can drive 35 mph.

Laws generally say what you can't do not the endless list of what you can do.

If a State does not prevent it, if the federal Gov't does not prevent it... it is legal.

You seem to forget that in this case the Federal Government already has issued a decision, 40 years ago.

You -personally- can choose what you want to do. The decision was left to the individual.

Edited April 15, 2014 by Gegel

[Danno 1,228]

Why would you want to take away the right of women to decide upon these matters? If you are against abortions, don't have one. It is really not that complicated.

And there it is!!!!!

though we are a small group we found one supporter already.

Ironically he condemns the women in the story for waiting a day too late to snuff out the live of each of her children.

[JohnR! 5,495]

And there it is!!!!!

though we are a small group we found one supporter already.

Ironically he condemns the women in the story for waiting a day too late to snuff out the live of each of her children.

Indeed I support laws that allow women to make decisions about their lives. Perhaps if we did not live in a society that shuns contraception - while touting Viagra, to be sure - this woman would have had the opportunity to make her decision at a much earlier stage or even have prevented her pregnancies altogether.

Speaking of irony, it is you who fail to see how pathetic this entire control over reproduction is. This woman did everything by your book. She carried her pregnancies to term as you would have wanted.

Edited April 15, 2014 by Gegel

[Danno 1,228]

You seem to forget that in this case the Federal Government already has issued a decision, 40 years ago.

You -personally- can choose what you want to do. The decision was left to the individual.

You sound a little like the guy who thinks the 2nd Amendment is a blank check.

It aint.

[JohnR! 5,495]

You sound a little like the guy who thinks the 2nd Amendment is a blank check.

It aint.

You prove you are unable to understand how the American legal system works.

For your edification, here is the full text of the 2nd. Amendment to which you refer:

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/second_amendment

Edited April 15, 2014 by Gegel

[Danno 1,228]

Why are you deflecting? You were asked a simple question. If you can't answer it, just admit it.

Marv your question made no sense, we don't write laws to "allow" things, regulations do that.

Here, let me ask the question you want to ask....

Danno, where are late term abortions legal?

Marv, States can ban the practice or place more scrutiny such as reasons for termination.... second opinion etc.

But there are a number of states where a woman can simply claim "mental stress" to by pass the "mother health" clause.

United States[edit]

See also: Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act

The United States Supreme Court decisions on abortion, including Roe v. Wade, allow states to impose more restrictions on post-viability abortions than during the earlier stages of pregnancy.

As of April 2007, 36 states had bans on late-term abortions that were not facially unconstitutional under Roe v. Wade (i.e. banning all abortions) or enjoined by court order.^[18] In addition, the Supreme Court in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart ruled that Congress may ban certain late-term abortion techniques, "both previability and postviability".

The Supreme Court has held that bans must include exceptions for threats to the woman's life, physical health, and mental health, but four states allow late-term abortions only when the woman's life is at risk; four allow them when the woman's life or physical health is at risk, but use a definition of health that pro-choice organizations believe is impermissibly narrow.^[18] Assuming that one of these state bans is constitutionally flawed, then that does not necessarily mean that the entire ban would be struck down: "invalidating the statute entirely is not always necessary or justified, for lower courts may be able to render narrower declaratory and injunctive relief."^[19]

Also, 13 states prohibit abortion after a certain number of weeks' gestation (usually 24 weeks).^[18] The U.S. Supreme Court held in Webster v. Reproductive Health Services that a statute may create "a presumption of viability" after a certain number of weeks, in which case the physician must be given an opportunity to rebut the presumption by performing tests.^[20] Therefore, those 13 states must provide that opportunity. Because this provision is not explicitly written into these 13 laws, as it was in the Missouri law examined in Webster, pro-choice organizations believe that such a state law is unconstitutional, but only "to the extent that it prohibits pre-viability abortions".^[21]

Ten states require a second physician to approve.^[18] The U.S. Supreme Court struck down a requirement of "confirmation by two other physicians" (rather than one other physician) because "acquiescence by co-practitioners has no rational connection with a patient's needs and unduly infringes on the physician's right to practice".^[22] Pro-choice organizations such as the Guttmacher Institute therefore interpret some of these state laws to be unconstitutional, based on these and other Supreme Court rulings, at least to the extent that these state laws require approval of a second or third physician.^[18]

Nine states have laws that require a second physician to be present during late-term abortion procedures in order to treat a fetus if born alive.^[18] The Court has held that a doctor's right to practice is not infringed by requiring a second physician to be present at abortions performed after viability in order to assist in saving the life of the fetus.^[23]

[Danno 1,228]

You prove you are unable to understand how the American legal system works.

If you read more and posted less you might actually have a clue on the topic, I just posted the Supreme Courts guide lines please read it and quit arguing with them over what they mean... it's quite clear; In the third trimester states have more latitude to regulate abortions.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Marv your question made no sense, we don't write laws to "allow" things, regulations do that.

Here, let me ask the question you want to ask....

Danno, where are late term abortions legal?

Marv, States can ban the practice or place more scrutiny such as reasons for termination.... second opinion etc.

But there are a number of states where a woman can simply claim "mental stress" to by pass the "mother health" clause.

States can't ban the practice of abortions altogether, that is why they rely on vicious legislation in order to attempt to curb this acquired right. They act no differently than you when you presume to know how another individual might be lying about their mental stress condition.

[JohnR! 5,495]

If you read more and posted less you might actually have a clue on the topic, I just posted the Supreme Courts guide lines please read it and quit arguing with them over what they mean... it's quite clear; In the third trimester states have more latitude to regulate abortions.

You defeat your own point. If states already have that latitude, it logically follows you are arguing with yourself.

Perhaps you should heed your own advice and read more - from sources other than Wikipedia - and get acquainted with life in the US.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I understand you would not get one yourself... you are against the late term abortion

but my question was WOULD YOU SUPPORT A LAW PREVENTING THEM except in the cases I mentioned?

You demand your questions be answered but have answered none of mine. Sorry, Danno.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

And there it is!!!!!

though we are a small group we found one supporter already.

Ironically he condemns the women in the story for waiting a day too late to snuff out the live of each of her children.

There what is?

I've looked for the proof of the outpouring of support for late-term abortions and found none.

Please share with the rest of the class.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

There what is?

I've looked for the proof of the outpouring of support for late-term abortions and found none.

Please share with the rest of the class.

You get a +1 for stealing my line. But that's cool, I know how gangsta you are so I won't report you. I'll just complain under my breath.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You get a +1 for stealing my line. But that's cool, I know how gangsta you are so I won't report you. I'll just complain under my breath.

I thought you hated it when people used Black slang words.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I thought you hated it when people used Black slang words.

I said I hate it when others use slang. I didn't say I couldn't use it.

Double standard in da house!