3 dead after shootings at Kansas City-area Jewish centers

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Umm not so..If you are talking about TM, I said the same exact thing about the Scott-Cervini case

Race does not play into it with me. It's jst plain self defense either way

Not if you look at it. GZ had no witnesses, his story was shaky at best, and his actions directly led to TM's death, yet he wasn't arrested until 44 days later. Scott had witnesses, had a solid case, not to mention his gun was already pulled and the kid still rushed him, yet he was arrested IMMEDIATELY and had to go through the system to prove his innocence.

GZ's word with no one to provide a backup weighed more than Scott who had proof of self defense. In which case did the system work? Or in which case did the system fail?

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Isn't it odd how we have to classify acts of crime by thought now days.

White man goes on a killing spree against minorities it's hate crime

Muslim man goes on killing spree against everyone it's a terror attack

Black man kills 12 on a Navy base it's a mass Killing

Hate crime laws serve a very important role in our society. I am so happy that they exist and they serve to protect groups of people who have been marginalized in our society. I often think of cases like James Byrd or Matthew Shepard, where these laws have been used to prosecute the murderers...but its not just those heinous crimes, it helps fight against acts of lets say vandalism. I remember a neighborhood in the city I grew up in where a Black family had a cross burned on their lawn - this was in the 1980s. So when people are caught for committing such crimes then the punishment is a determent to others doing the same thing.

Anyway to answer your question and others as to why we have hate crime laws, I like the explanation given by the Anti-defamation league.

Hate Crimes Laws: The ADL Approach

All Americans have a stake in an effective response to violent bigotry. Hate crimes demand a priority response because of their special emotional and psychological impact on the victim and the victim's community. The damage done by hate crimes cannot be measured solely in terms of physical injury or dollars and cents. Hate crimes may effectively intimidate other members of the victim's community, leaving them feeling isolated, vulnerable and unprotected by the law. By making members of minority communities fearful, angry and suspicious of other groups — and of the power structure that is supposed to protect them — these incidents can damage the fabric of our society and fragment communities.

ADL has long been in the forefront of national and state efforts to deter and counteract hate-motivated criminal activity. Hate crime statutes are necessary because the failure to recognize and effectively address this unique type of crime could cause an isolated incident to explode into widespread community tension.

In June 1993, the United States Supreme Court upheld a Wisconsin hate crime statute that was based on model legislation originally drafted by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) in 1981. (Wisconsin v. Mitchell, 508 U.S. 476 (1993)).

The following year, ADL published a detailed report on hate crimes laws, Hate Crimes Laws: A Comprehensive Guide, which functions as a reference on hate crimes legislation nationwide. This update is meant to complement the 1994 report and encompasses changes that have occurred since that time, including the League's recent addition of gender to its model hate crimes legislation, and the passage of additional Federal legislation, as well as a description of a number of Federal training and education initiatives to confront hate violence.

So it's not just a crime against an individual, it is a crime committed to hurt an entire group or community.

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[Penny Lane 8,159]

That is sooooooo Racist..I am serious

Nobody I know of that is white condones this kind of barbaric behavior

It is racist to call a white guy white? Ok.

[Danno 1,228]

Hate crime laws do not afford equal protection which is bringing about an unintended consequences, one which is - creating a shared observation between many in the middle and those on the extreme.

[B_J 2,752]

Hate crime laws serve a very important role in our society. I am so happy that they exist and they serve to protect groups of people who have been marginalized in our society. I often think of cases like James Byrd or Matthew Shepard, where these laws have been used to prosecute the murderers...but its not just those heinous crimes, it helps fight against acts of lets say vandalism. I remember a neighborhood in the city I grew up in where a Black family had a cross burned on their lawn - this was in the 1980s. So when people are caught for committing such crimes then the punishment is a determent to others doing the same thing.

I don't think Texas had hate crime laws during the James Byrd case. Two of the three got the death penalty and the other got life (eligible for parole in 2038). In Texas, the policy is pretty much "you kill somebody, we'll kill you back"

By the way, since I feel that motive is important, I have no real problem with hate crime laws and I do want to know if the guy shouted something about Hitler or Allah when he was committing his crime. But that's just me.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I don't think Texas had hate crime laws during the James Byrd case. Two of the three got the death penalty and the other got life (eligible for parole in 2038). In Texas, the policy is pretty much "you kill somebody, we'll kill you back"

By the way, since I feel that motive is important, I have no real problem with hate crime laws and I do want to know if the guy shouted something about Hitler or Allah when he was committing his crime. But that's just me.

Motives are important. I just have an issue that more folks kill for countless other reasons, yet Muslims are the ones that need to be profiled.

When you say Hitler, who does it affect? No one. Because of what he stood for, there's little to no sympathy for a white supremacist. They don't represent you as a whole. When you all Allah is great, now you have an entire religion that gets picked apart and crucified for the actions of some crazy people.

[B_J 2,752]

Motives are important. I just have an issue that more folks kill for countless other reasons, yet Muslims are the ones that need to be profiled.

When you say Hitler, who does it affect? No one. Because of what he stood for, there's little to no sympathy for a white supremacist. They don't represent you as a whole. When you all Allah is great, now you have an entire religion that gets picked apart and crucified for the actions of some crazy people.

I agree with that but here's the problem, you just said there's little to no sympathy for white supremacists. But do you say that when people say that the Republican party is racist; the old KKK is now the Republican party, etc.? I believe that there are racists in this country, but I also believe they are few and, if their views are known, they are not accepted into normal society. I do not agree they are a major part of one of our political parties.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I agree with that but here's the problem, you just said there's little to no sympathy for white supremacists. But do you say that when people say that the Republican party is racist; the old KKK is now the Republican party, etc.? I believe that there are racists in this country, but I also believe they are few and, if their views are known, they are not accepted into normal society. I do not agree they are a major part of one of our political parties.

I don't think the GOP is the equivalent of the KKK. This is too broad of a generalization. Do I think there are racists within the GOP? Yes I do. They also reside in the Democratic party. The only difference is the Democrats try really hard to cater to minorities, so they insult white people in the same way some folks in the GOP insult minorities.

But as MBD has said, the GOP has been hijacked by a minority. Because when you look at the things that come out of those people's mouths about gays, blacks, hispanics and women, it makes you wonder.

[Darnell 8,478]

Looks like this has gone Racial can I chime in now ?

OMG did you catch the National News on this fella?

They had a recording of a phone call done in the jail, was a huge rant covering his anti-jew-ness.

[JohnR! 5,495]

OMG did you catch the National News on this fella?

They had a recording of a phone call done in the jail, was a huge rant covering his anti-jew-ness.

Seems like he has it coming... The penalty for terrorism should be death. We should not have to pay to keep scum alive.

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — State prosecutors on Tuesday charged a 73-year-old white supremacist with murder in the killing of three people outside two Jewish community facilities on Sunday.

At a news conference in this Kansas City suburb, the authorities announced one count of capital murder and one count of premeditated first-degree murder had been filed against Frazier Glenn Miller of Aurora, Mo., who has for decades espoused anti-Semitic and racist beliefs.

If convicted, he would face life without parole, though prosecutors could choose to seek the death penalty.

“This is making sure justice is done,” said Stephen M. Howe, the district attorney for Johnson County, Kan. “This is not about retribution.”

Barry Grissom, the United States attorney for the District of Kansas, said that his office was pursuing federal hate crime charges and would present evidence to a grand jury soon. That, too, could qualify as a death penalty case, he said.

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Hours later, Mr. Miller, a well-known Klansman, made a video appearance in Johnson County District Court from jail. He was brought to the camera room in a wheelchair, his hair plastered to his forehead, his thin arms poking out from a suicide prevention smock. Officials would not comment about his medical condition or cell arrangements.

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[B_J 2,752]

I don't think the GOP is the equivalent of the KKK. This is too broad of a generalization. Do I think there are racists within the GOP? Yes I do. They also reside in the Democratic party. The only difference is the Democrats try really hard to cater to minorities, so they insult white people in the same way some folks in the GOP insult minorities.

But as MBD has said, the GOP has been hijacked by a minority. Because when you look at the things that come out of those people's mouths about gays, blacks, hispanics and women, it makes you wonder.

I would like to strongly disagree with all of that; but I can't.

[decocker 7,198]

What if the perp had been Jamalequin and he had shot up a liquor store or had fathered 20 out of wedlock babies, and someone posted a picture of a young black guy in baggy pants and dreads and we all said see I told you so.

Several of you have a problem with moral relevance.

really loving the direction this thread is taking. i am a bit confused about what exactly a 'jamalequin' is.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

really loving the direction this thread is taking. i am a bit confused about what exactly a 'jamalequin' is.

It' a ethnic sounding name ..Kind of like Marvin