Obama accuses GOP of imagining voter fraud

[Teddy B 17,252]

No.

Both sides don't do it. All you need to do is look at the attempts of laws being passed, those Republican governors who have cut back voting hours making mostly people in minority communities wait in line for HOURS to vote. You will NEVER see that happen in those districts that vote Republican.

See the part in bold? It has nothing to do with voter fraud and it has nothing to do with disproving what I said.

Yes, both sides use voter fraud as a tool to rile up their base and shift the focus from real problems to non-existent ones like voter fraud. The dems use voter fraud just like the republicans do. The dems claim that a voter id law will prevent poor people from voting. Really? How many poor people that vote, do not have id's? Remember, these are the same poor people who need an id to collect gov't benefits, drive a vehicle or do most of any other every day activities. Fact is adults that don't have id's, also do not participate in normal every day society, and they don't usually vote.

Voter fraud is a non-issue, period.

[B_J 2,752]

See the part in bold? It has nothing to do with voter fraud and it has nothing to do with disproving what I said.

Yes, both sides use voter fraud as a tool to rile up their base and shift the focus from real problems to non-existent ones like voter fraud. The dems use voter fraud just like the republicans do. The dems claim that a voter id law will prevent poor people from voting. Really? How many poor people that vote, do not have id's? Remember, these are the same poor people who need an id to collect gov't benefits, drive a vehicle or do most of any other every day activities. Fact is adults that don't have id's, also do not participate in normal every day society, and they don't usually vote.

Voter fraud is a non-issue, period.

I'm of the opinion that, if they pass voter ID laws: whatever. If they don't pass them: whatever.

I guess I lean more towards passing them, since it helps prevent a possible problem from occurring, but again: whatever.

But I definitely agree; both sides use it to excite the base. The problem is, you're being objective and that's definitely not allowed in the CEHST pool. Pick one side and constantly flame the other. You know the drill.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So, tell me again why requesting a photo ID before voting is unnecessary?

Because there isn't a shred of evidence of in person voter fraud - the only kind voter fraud the voter ID would address - being an issue. None of the stuff you presented indicates otherwise. Big fail there.

See the part in bold? It has nothing to do with voter fraud and it has nothing to do with disproving what I said.

Yes, both sides use voter fraud as a tool to rile up their base and shift the focus from real problems to non-existent ones like voter fraud. The dems use voter fraud just like the republicans do. The dems claim that a voter id law will prevent poor people from voting. Really? How many poor people that vote, do not have id's? Remember, these are the same poor people who need an id to collect gov't benefits, drive a vehicle or do most of any other every day activities. Fact is adults that don't have id's, also do not participate in normal every day society, and they don't usually vote.

Voter fraud is a non-issue, period.

Exactly!

[Teddy B 17,252]

I'm of the opinion that, if they pass voter ID laws: whatever. If they don't pass them: whatever.

I guess I lean more towards passing them, since it helps prevent a possible problem from occurring, but again: whatever.

But I definitely agree; both sides use it to excite the base. The problem is, you're being objective and that's definitely not allowed in the CEHST pool. Pick one side and constantly flame the other. You know the drill.

I lean towards having a national id system, simply for the fact that I believe everyone should be required to have an id. In this day and age, there really is no excuse for not having one. If there truly are some poor people who cannot afford to get an id, then have the gov't pick up the tab, I'm ok with that.

[UncleBeer 244]

Because there isn't a shred of evidence of in person voter fraud - the only kind voter fraud the voter ID would address - being an issue. None of the stuff you presented indicates otherwise. Big fail there.

Utter nonsense. You obviously didn't even click any of the links. If you had, you'd see stuff like this:

A total of four Democratic officials and political operatives have now pleaded guilty to voter fraud-related felony charges in an alleged scheme to steal a New York election.

The latest guilty pleas expose the ease with which political insiders can apparently manipulate the electoral system and throw an election their way, by the forging of signatures of unsuspecting voters that are then cast as real votes

Or this:

Allegheny County District Attorney Stephen A. Zappala Jr. today charged seven employees of ACORN -- the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- with forgery and election law violations, saying they filed hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations during last year's general election.

Mr. Zappala said there is no indication that any of the fraudulent registrations resulted in fraudulent votes. Rather, it appeared the workers were submitting fake or doctored registration forms in order to be paid their daily $40 wage.

Or literally hundreds of other bona fide cases in the links I provided.

Since you didn't post any substantive rebuttal, and since you have no cogent argument, you resort to lying. Sorta pathetic...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Utter nonsense. You obviously didn't even click any of the links. If you had, you'd see stuff like this:

Or this:

Or literally hundreds of other bona fide cases in the links I provided.

Since you didn't post any substantive rebuttal, and since you have no cogent argument, you resort to lying. Sorta pathetic...

Voter ID laws would address one single issue (if it actually existed) - in person voter fraud. None of the cases you cited are relevant to that type of voter fraud.

You make a claim and dont even understand the issue at hand. That is sorta pathetic indeed.

Edited April 15, 2014 by Mr. Big Dog

[Teddy B 17,252]

Voter ID laws would address one single issue (if it actually existed) - in person voter fraud. None of the cases you cited are relevant to that type of voter fraud.

You make a claim and dont even understand the issue at hand. That is sorta pathetic indeed.

I've been smh since he started the thread.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Voter ID laws would address one single issue (if it actually existed) - in person voter fraud. None of the cases you cited are relevant to that type of voter fraud.

You make a claim and dont even understand the issue at hand. That is sorta pathetic indeed.

That is not surprising at all. Fabrication is one of the pillars of sophistry.

I've been smh since he started the thread.

Amen brother!!!

[UncleBeer 244]

- in person voter fraud. None of the cases you cited are relevant to that type of voter fraud.

I guess you slept through this news story (or perhaps it wasn't covered at your one-stop news outlet, DailyKos.

US Attorney General Eric Holder's Ballot to Vote Offered to Total Stranger

Of course Eric Holder doesn't much care. He's busy protecting "his people".

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Your hit piece (is that Jim O'Keefe's work?) has ZERO proof that any in person voter fraud actually occurred.

That was fail #2.

Are you going for a triple?

[Teddy B 17,252]

Uncle Beer, you can search high and low for proof of voter fraud. You may be able to find a few isolated incidents that have occurred, but you will not be able to find any large scale voter fraud that has taken place in the US. The larger cases of voter fraud, while still miniscule in size, are in absentee ballots. You'll find a whole bunch of accusations of fraud, but very little proof. I have read articles that state there is roughly one fraudulent vote for every 15 million votes cast in the US. It is simply not an issue.

[UncleBeer 244]

Your hit piece (is that Jim O'Keefe's work?) has ZERO proof that any in person voter fraud actually occurred.

Because O'Keefe didn't want to actually go through with voter fraud (...or did that not occur to you?). Although the precinct dude was totally into it!

[UncleBeer 244]

Uncle Beer, you can search high and low for proof of voter fraud. You may be able to find a few isolated incidents that have occurred, but you will not be able to find any large scale voter fraud that has taken place in the US.

Man, you ostriches do seem to love having your heads buried waaaay down in the dirt.

This, from the original post:

State election officials are looking into thousands of cases where registered voters may have voted in two states or after their reported death. A report presented Wednesday by Elections Director Kim Strach to the Joint Legislative Elections Oversight Committee said 81 voters have a voter history later than the date of their death. The audit further identified 13,416 deceased voters on voter rolls in Oct. 13. The audit showed 155,692 registered North Carolina voters whose first and last names, dates of birth and last four digits of their Social Security number match those of voters registered in other states, but who most recently registered or voted elsewhere. A total of 35,750 voters with matching first and last names and date of birth were registered in North Carolina and another state, and voted in both states in the 2012 general election. Another 765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, date of birth and last four digits of their Social Security number were registered and voted in the 2012 general election in North Carolina and another state...A total of 28 states participated in the crosscheck, leaving data missing from 22 other states.

God forbid you read what's gone before . . .

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Because O'Keefe didn't want to actually go through with voter fraud (...or did that not occur to you?). Although the precinct dude was totally into it!

Sure that occurred to me. He did not want to go through with it because it is a felony to do so. And that is what keeps everyone else from doing it. Has that not occurred to you? Fact of the matter is that people won't even go as far as O'Keefe went - they would not think of going into a polling place to even try and see if they could possibly vote someone else's ballot. It simply does not happen. That's what you fail to realize. This whole Voter ID nonsense is truly nothing but a solution in desperate search for a problem.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Man, you ostriches do seem to love having your heads buried waaaay down in the dirt.

This, from the original post:

God forbid you read what's gone before . . .

Oh well, I tried. Let us know the results of that investigation, you know, because nothing has been proven yet, nor will it. It takes about two seconds to rip the context of that article apart, I'm surprised you haven't figured it out yet.