Nancy Pelosi: 'Race Has Something To Do With' Delay On Immigration Reform

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Do you:

• live in Southern California?
• know any blacks that live in Southern California?
• really know or understand the serious impact illegal aliens have rained down upon others that are "darker than a piece of paper" Do you?

If interested in increasing your knowledge of how illegal aliens from south of the border have impacted large numbers of the other group "darker than a piece of paper" you can start with this link.

http://www.examiner.com/article/mexican-gangs-trying-to-run-black-families-out-of-southern-California

No matter how many illegals are in this country, until the racist decide to let well be and understand that there are truly many good black people out here that want to work hard and be successful the unemployment rate for blacks will still be high.

They are selecting illegal immigrants over legal black people now. If they are legalized it will still be the same thing. Everybody over black folks. That is how it has always been. Look at the millions that are here now.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

No matter how many illegals are in this country, until the racist decide to let well be and understand that there are truly many good black people out here that want to work hard and be successful the unemployment rate for blacks will still be high.

They are selecting illegal immigrants over legal black people now. If they are legalized it will still be the same thing. Everybody over black folks. That is how it has always been. Look at the millions that are here now.

They choose those immigrants because they can exploit the hell out of them. Pay them almost nothing, not insure them for anything and work the sleeves off of them because they can't complain, they have no voice. They don't steal jobs, the bosses pick them. Maybe if there was penalties for employing folks without the proper documentation, this wouldn't be as big as an issue as it is now.

You don't want illegal immigrants stealing jobs from Americans? Stop hiring them over Americans. It's that simple.

[Karee 4,190]

What does this have to do with black folks? It's crazy, when Janelle or I even bring up black people, we're obsessed with race. When any of you do it, it's never even harped on.

Give me a break.

From post #1

"I think race has something to do with the fact that they're not bringing up an immigration bill," she said at her weekly press conference. "I've heard them say to the Irish, 'If it were just you, this would be easy.'"

Are you denying that black folks overwhelmingly vote Democrat? Am I not allowed to bring up the negative effect this will have on black workers or black unemployment, or can only black folks do that?

Just a guess on my part, but I'd say that black folks have a much higher ratio of people working at minimum wage than any other race. Do you think the majority of these newly minted registered Democrats are going to be working in high paying jobs in IT? Maybe banking? Of course not. They'll be competing with other people on the low end of the wage scale. The black folks are being taken for granted and sold out in the name of getting more Democrat voters, and they don't even see it.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Do you:

• live in Southern California?
• know any blacks that live in Southern California?
• really know or understand the serious impact illegal aliens have rained down upon others that are "darker than a piece of paper" Do you?

If interested in increasing your knowledge of how illegal aliens from south of the border have impacted large numbers of the other group "darker than a piece of paper" you can start with this link.

However, only looking at SoCal and using it as the sole example would ignore similar problems with illegal Russians in New York, illegal Irish in New England, illegal Asians in the Bay Area, etc...

Yes, there is an issue with the border, but it is far larger than the southern border with Mexico.

I am not suggesting we give Latinos a pass so much I advocate that we hold all in a similar situation in the same category.

Edited April 11, 2014 by Gegel

[Karee 4,190]

Sorry Karee, Gegel was making a point and I didn't read up.

I'm glad he brought it up. It should be brought up. This will not be good for black folks. Bottom line.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Give me a break.

From post #1

Are you denying that black folks overwhelmingly vote Democrat? Am I not allowed to bring up the negative effect this will have on black workers or black unemployment, or can only black folks do that?

Just a guess on my part, but I'd say that black folks have a much higher ratio of people working at minimum wage than any other race. Do you think the majority of these newly minted registered Democrats are going to be working in high paying jobs in IT? Maybe banking? Of course not. They'll be competing with other people on the low end of the wage scale. The black folks are being taken for granted and sold out in the name of getting more Democrat voters, and they don't even see it.

Um, did you see that I caught it after I posted and issued you an apology?

Posted Today, 12:30 PM

Karee, on 11 Apr 2014 - 11:43 AM, said:

Thinking about this more, what Nancy Pelosi is doing is brilliant. She's getting more registered Democrats, and at the same time she can deflect any criticism by calling her detractors racist.

What I find really interesting is that the unemployment rate f black forolks is twice the national average. I wonder if those folks will still be cheering for Nancy when all these newly minted USCs start taking their jobs? They probably will since the alternative is a bunch of old white male bible thumpers with a few crazy white females mixed in. (See Michelle Bachman)

Sorry Karee, Gegel was making a point and I didn't read up.

I'm glad he brought it up. It should be brought up. This will not be good for black folks. Bottom line.

As I said before, I don't blame them, I blame the employers. They're hiring those people.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I'm glad he brought it up. It should be brought up. This will not be good for black folks. Bottom line.

My point was and remains that when it comes to abusing the immigration system, there are Asians, Europeans and Africans that are as guilty as Latinos - although another poster wisely pointed out Latino not to be a race.

It is naive to pretend other ethnic groups don't do so.

[Karee 4,190]

Um, did you see that I caught it after I posted and issued you an apology?

Posted Today, 12:30 PM

Karee, on 11 Apr 2014 - 11:43 AM, said:

Sorry Karee, Gegel was making a point and I didn't read up.

Yeah I caught it after I posted. I still think that black folks shouldn't be supporting this amnesty thing. How about we try and get the low income unemployed folks that are already here, working, instead of adding more competition to the mix? Like it or not, wages are for the most part driven by market forces. Introducing millions more low wage earners to the equation isn't going to help that fact.

As you so often like to point out, black folks already have a tough time getting jobs. You think this is going to help them?

Sorry, I'm not buying the Democrats publicly stated motivations for this deal. They're politicians just like the Republicans. Getting their party elected comes first. Everything else is somewhere down the list.

Edited April 11, 2014 by Karee

[Karee 4,190]

My point was and remains that when it comes to abusing the immigration system, there are Asians, Europeans and Africans that are as guilty as Latinos - although another poster wisely pointed out Latino not to be a race.

It is naive to pretend other ethnic groups don't do so.

Ok fine. Numbers don't lie. I'd guess the percentage of illegal immigrants in this country from between the Costa Rica/Nicaragua border and the U.S./Mexican border is probably north of 90%.

So while there are other races breaking immigration laws, the vast majority are Hispanic/White whatever.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Yeah I caught it after I posted. I still think that black folks shouldn't be supporting this amnesty thing. How about we try and get the low income unemployed folks that are already here, working, instead of adding more competition to the mix? Like it or not, wages are for the most part driven by market forces. Introducing millions more low wage earners to the equation isn't going to help that fact.

As you so often like to point out, black folks already have a tough time getting jobs. You think this is going to help them?

Sorry, I'm not buying the Democrats publicly stated motivations for this deal. They're politicians just like the Republicans. Getting their party elected comes first. Everything else is somewhere down the list.

I agree, but who needs to take the blame? The folks that come here for a better life, or the employers that hire them over Americans? If employers couldn't hire those without the proper paperwork, this wouldn't be an issue.

I think it's crazy that we talk about them stealing jobs from us. You won't ever see an illegal doctor, lawyer, or banker. They do the lowest wage jobs out there because the bosses would rather hire them and not pay/insure them like they would an American.

Scratch that there is one illegal lawyer and Fox News found him: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/02/california-grants-law-license-to-illegal-immigrant/

[Karee 4,190]

I agree, but who needs to take the blame? The folks that come here for a better life, or the employers that hire them over Americans? If employers couldn't hire those without the proper paperwork, this wouldn't be an issue.

I think it's crazy that we talk about them stealing jobs from us. You won't ever see an illegal doctor, lawyer, or banker. They do the lowest wage jobs out there because the bosses would rather hire them and not pay/insure them like they would an American.

Scratch that there is one illegal lawyer and Fox News found him: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/02/california-grants-law-license-to-illegal-immigrant/

The employers need to take the majority of the blame. You have one party that wants them here for cheap labor (Corporations/Republicans) You have another party that wants them here for the political support (Democrats) It's pretty scary when both parties have a vested interest in illegal immigration since they rarely agree on anything.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

The employers need to take the majority of the blame. You have one party that wants them here for cheap labor (Corporations/Republicans) You have another party that wants them here for the political support (Democrats) It's pretty scary when both parties have a vested interest in illegal immigration since they rarely agree on anything.

On this we agree. If they couldn't find any jobs, chances are the problem would lessen. What we call poor here, they call middle class at home.

I'm working an issue at my job, and I coined a phrase. "Folks only want to save the government money when it benefits them." Same rules apply.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Yeah I caught it after I posted. I still think that black folks shouldn't be supporting this amnesty thing. How about we try and get the low income unemployed folks that are already here, working, instead of adding more competition to the mix? Like it or not, wages are for the most part driven by market forces. Introducing millions more low wage earners to the equation isn't going to help that fact.

As you so often like to point out, black folks already have a tough time getting jobs. You think this is going to help them?

Sorry, I'm not buying the Democrats publicly stated motivations for this deal. They're politicians just like the Republicans. Getting their party elected comes first. Everything else is somewhere down the list.

What you don't get about black people is that we are not going to rain on someone else's parade.

I will NEVER and I say NEVER step on someone else to get something. Maybe that is why we continue to stay on the bottom. I don't agree with giving the parents visas, but the kids who was brought here by their parents I am okay with it, as long as they suffer through the process like everyone else has to do.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

What you don't get about black people is that we are not going to rain on someone else's parade.

I will NEVER and I say NEVER step on someone else to get something. Maybe that is why we continue to stay on the bottom. I don't agree with giving the parents visas, but the kids who was brought here by their parents I am okay with it, as long as they suffer through the process like everyone else has to do.

It's because of what our people have been through, and what we continue to go through, we tend to have a bit more sympathy. Those folks aren't that far removed from us.

[Karee 4,190]

On this we agree. If they couldn't find any jobs, chances are the problem would lessen. What we call poor here, they call middle class at home.

I'm working an issue at my job, and I coined a phrase. "Folks only want to save the government money when it benefits them." Same rules apply.

Big bold underlined letters. That's the problem with congress. People like to blame Bush or Obama, but the real problem is congress.