Nancy Pelosi: 'Race Has Something To Do With' Delay On Immigration Reform

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Yes, yes, yes, if you want to gain admittance being white is better than Asian... cuzz whites don't have to score as high as Asians and better yet, if you can claim African heritage you are in even better shape, as you can get in with an even lower score.

The question is- Who does this hurt and who does it help?

Of course when a lower scoring student is given a seat, a better scoring student is harmed by NOT getting a seat, but beyond that...... it harms Blacks.

THats right, Blacks especially Black males have a high rate of not graduating, when their work load is often beyond what they can handle and they wash-out especially without enough extra help.

I mean here we have a very bright young man, who scores in the 95% and in most universities he would flourish

but instead he gets recruited into an ivy league school that very few students (of any color) could compete in and he buckles under the load and leaves a failure.

Had he gone to a school which he was more suited, he would have graduated and proceeded on to a successful career and life.

So he lost... But who won?

The School that recruited him beyond his ability won, They get to check off a box on their "Diversity goal."

Another example of well meaning Liberalism and the problems they create in the lives of those in their charge.

So you know the young man will buckle how? Because he is black. I mean, really? Do you hear yourself? Show a little disgust that you call yourself a human being please.

[Danno 1,228]

So you know the young man will buckle how? Because he is black. I mean, really? Do you hear yourself? Show a little disgust that you call yourself a human being please.

Not because he is black but because his level of academic ability was lower than others.

It would be like putting a good (but not great) golf player in the Masters to compete with Nicholson and Woods.

He may be a good golfer but if you put him at a level he is not yet at, you either have to "wink wink" pass him along or the chance of him washing out is much greater than the average student.....

Because he didn't score as well as the average student to start with.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Not because he is black but because his level of academic ability was lower than others.

It would be like putting a good (but not great) golf player in the Masters to compete with Nicholson and Woods.

He may be a good golfer but if you put him at a level he is not yet at, you either have to "wink wink" pass him along or the chance of him washing out is much greater than the average student.....

Because he didn't score as well as the average student to start with.

Actually Danno, he scored higher than the average on the SAT's.

[Danno 1,228]

Actually Danno, he scored higher than the average on the SAT's.

FRom the report I posted, he scored well for a Black applicant.

Please show me where he scored average for those in the student body.

His case was notable not just because he scored well in HIS class but that he got accepted by so many Ivy league schools with the score he had.

Why do you think that is?

A: Because they are very desirous to find any Black student who can reasonably be granted acceptance.

Q: Did he get a Scholarship?

Q: Would an Asian with that same score have gotten a Scholarship... or even excepted?

*2 sets of rules just to make it fair.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

FRom the report I posted, he scored well for a Black applicant.

Please show me where he scored average for those in the student body.

His case was notable not just because he scored well in HIS class but that he got accepted by so many Ivy league schools with the score he had.

Why do you think that is?

A: Because they are very desirous to find any Black student who can reasonably be granted acceptance.

Q: Did he get a Scholarship?

Q: Would an Asian with that same score have gotten a Scholarship... or even excepted?

*2 sets of rules just to make it fair.

You missed it, I posted it 3 pages ago. Apparently you didn't read my response to your first ridiculous claim of him not doing well against the average student:

How would it have been different if he competed against white and asian teens? He scored 2250 out of 2400. http://features.thec...admissions.html

According to reports from the survey, the average Harvard freshman receives financial aid, comes from a household that earns between $125,000 and $250,000 per year, and scored a 2237 on the SAT.

He scored higher than the average Harvard Freshman.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You missed it, I posted it 3 pages ago. Apparently you didn't read my response to your first ridiculous claim of him not doing well against the average student:

How would it have been different if he competed against white and asian teens? He scored 2250 out of 2400. http://features.thec...admissions.html

According to reports from the survey, the average Harvard freshman receives financial aid, comes from a household that earns between $125,000 and $250,000 per year, and scored a 2237 on the SAT.

He scored higher than the average Harvard Freshman.

You're hilarious, Marv. You really want to convince Danno with real, actual facts? You really believe Danno will be moved by real, actual facts? Haven't you learned anything?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

You're hilarious, Marv. You really want to convince Danno with real, actual facts? You really believe Danno will be moved by real, actual facts? Haven't you learned anything?

I know. I keep praying that one day he'll learn something positive about people that don't look/live like him.

[Danno 1,228]

You missed it, I posted it 3 pages ago. Apparently you didn't read my response to your first ridiculous claim of him not doing well against the average student:

How would it have been different if he competed against white and asian teens? He scored 2250 out of 2400. http://features.thec...admissions.html

According to reports from the survey, the average Harvard freshman receives financial aid, comes from a household that earns between $125,000 and $250,000 per year, and scored a 2237 on the SAT.

He scored higher than the average Harvard Freshman.

Let me make this easy for you.

34,000 people applied to Harvard, 6% got accepted.

He not only rang the bell at Harvard but also at 8 other Ivy league schools who threw the door open even with his average SAT score.

Why?

A: Supply and demand.

[Danno 1,228]

I know. I keep praying that one day he'll learn something positive about people that don't look/live like him.

Funny you mention that, because what we learned about Asians is how the deck is stacked against them more so than Whites.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Let me make this easy for you.

34,000 people applied to Harvard, 6% got accepted.

He not only rang the bell at Harvard but also at 8 other Ivy league schools who threw the door open even with his average SAT score.

Why?

A: Supply and demand.

According to this:https://professionals.collegeboard.com/testing/sat-reasoning/scores/averages

Average scores are calculated annually based on the most recent SAT scores of all students of a particular graduating class.

For the class of 2013, average scores are:

• Critical reading:496
• Mathematics: 514
• Writing: 488

Now, I might be a little bit slow according to you, but add those three up and it comes to 1498. That's the average SAT score for students applying for college. The average person who applies to Harvard has a score of 2237, which is higher than 1498, right? Now let me break out the calculator. This means that this young man scored 752 points higher than the average student, and 13 points higher than folks who would normally be accepted at Harvard.

So, how is his score average?

Here's another website, since seeing isn't believing for you: http://www.majortests.com/sat/sat-scores.php

That said, on a total score of 2400 (800 critical reading, 800 math, 800 writing)

• a score of 1650-1800 is adequate for many colleges
• a score of 1800-2100 is good
• a score above 2100 should ensure that you have no problems for admission (if all else is in order!)

Edited April 16, 2014 by Su and Marvin

[Danno 1,228]

According to this:https://professionals.collegeboard.com/testing/sat-reasoning/scores/averages

Average scores are calculated annually based on the most recent SAT scores of all students of a particular graduating class.

For the class of 2013, average scores are:

• Critical reading:496
• Mathematics: 514
• Writing: 488

Now, I might be a little bit slow according to you, but add those three up and it comes to 1498. That's the average SAT score for students applying for college. The average person who applies to Harvard has a score of 2237, which is higher than 1498, right? Now let me break out the calculator. This means that this young man scored 752 points higher than the average student, and 13 points higher than folks who would normally be accepted at Harvard.

So, how is his score average?

Here's another website, since seeing isn't believing for you: http://www.majortests.com/sat/sat-scores.php

That said, on a total score of 2400 (800 critical reading, 800 math, 800 writing)

• a score of 1650-1800 is adequate for many colleges
• a score of 1800-2100 is good
• a score above 2100 should ensure that you have no problems for admission (if all else is in order!)

"Average" meaning at Harvard. I think your number was of all students applying to colleges in general.

Perhaps you and I could find some point of agreement here-

Would you agree with me, that a students application should NOT even include race.

Then he/she will be chosen on a color blind formula..... agreed?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

"Average" meaning at Harvard. I think your number was of all students applying to colleges in general.

Perhaps you and I could find some point of agreement here-

Would you agree with me, that a students application should NOT even include race.

Then he/she will be chosen on a color blind formula..... agreed?

The average at Harvard is 2237. The average for all students taking the test is 1498. He scored a 2250, 150 points less than perfect, 13 points more than the anyone applying to Harvard and 752 higher than everyone else.

I never said color should be included. You're the one trying to say this dude had an "average" score when he didn't.

[Danno 1,228]

The average at Harvard is 2237. The average for all students taking the test is 1498. He scored a 2250, 150 points less than perfect, 13 points more than the anyone applying to Harvard and 752 higher than everyone else.

I never said color should be included. You're the one trying to say this dude had an "average" score when he didn't.

I think your post proved that he scored pretty much average for Harvard, which is all I said. Your are carrying on like I have not given the kid props.

Care to address my earlier question?

Q: As an Asian with that score would he have been accepted at Harvard and 7 other top schools?

Q: If he were an Asian would there have even been a news story about his accomplishment?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I think your post proved that he scored pretty much average for Harvard, which is all I said. Your are carrying on like I have not given the kid props.

Care to address my earlier question?

Q: As an Asian with that score would he have been accepted at Harvard and 7 other top schools?

Q: If he were an Asian would there have even been a news story about his accomplishment?

You didn't. Let's look at the conversation:

You said:

FRom the report I posted, he scored well for a Black applicant.

Please show me where he scored average for those in the student body.

Then I responded:

According to reports from the survey, the average Harvard freshman receives financial aid, comes from a household that earns between $125,000 and $250,000 per year, and scored a 2237 on the SAT.

Then you said: He not only rang the bell at Harvard but also at 8 other Ivy league schools who threw the door open even with his average SAT score.

The average is 1498. If he scored this and got admitted, I'd call foul. But he didn't. He scored above the average.

Which meant he scored higher than the average Freshman applying at Harvard, that's all of them not just the black kids. Meaning he EARNED his way in, not because he was black. Your argument would have merit if his score was under 2237, but since it's not, you're looking for another way out.

For your other questions:

As I posted before, anyone with a 2100 score or better would have the same chances to get into those top tier schools.

Yes, because getting admitted into all 7 ivy league schools is an accomplishment. How many times does it happen?

Edited April 16, 2014 by Su and Marvin

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The average at Harvard is 2237. The average for all students taking the test is 1498. He scored a 2250, 150 points less than perfect, 13 points more than the anyone applying to Harvard and 752 higher than everyone else.

I never said color should be included. You're the one trying to say this dude had an "average" score when he didn't.

2250 Hell I got that just on the writing part. Really.. Who scores that high That's crazy

I think your post proved that he scored pretty much average for Harvard, which is all I said. Your are carrying on like I have not given the kid props.

Care to address my earlier question?

Q: As an Asian with that score would he have been accepted at Harvard and 7 other top schools?

Q: If he were an Asian would there have even been a news story about his accomplishment?

Here is a scatter chart for folks like me