Nancy Pelosi: 'Race Has Something To Do With' Delay On Immigration Reform

[Karee 4,190]

The last few posts in this thread have me convinced that a breathalyzer should be required in order to connect to the internet.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

IDK if you could read that would be a start. Low income like Landscaping, construction etc. Danno laid out a few. If you don't know what low income means, I can't help you. Unfortunately, you like most of your ilk, took it as an opportunity to take a swing at Walmart.

Your argument is basically that an influx of labor from outside of our borders has a negative impact on the lower income job market. If you were someone who married a USC and not a foreigner, you might have a bit more credibility with your convictions, but since you and everyone else here has a spouse that you brought here to this country, you've contributed to the very problem you say exists. And while you focus solely on low income labor, the the same cause and effect would then hold true for the labor force in general.

Basic economic principles show that job growth happens when people spend money. And while it might create an oversupply of engineers if the U.S. decided to offer an unlimited amount of H-1B visas to foreign engineers, if there is a high demand, those working professionals would be spending money and paying taxes that in turn create other jobs. This is why some European countries are taking extreme measures to deal with their dwindling populations. There's really no economic basis as to why we would need to limit immigration in this country and even there was, any of us here with our foreign spouses should be the last ones to try and make that argument since we would be contributing to the problem.

Edited April 12, 2014 by Porterhouse

[Karee 4,190]

Your argument is basically that an influx of labor from outside of our borders has a negative impact on the lower income job market. If you were someone who married a USC and not a foreigner, you might have a bit more credibility with your convictions, but since you and everyone else here has a spouse that you brought here to this country, you've contributed to the very problem you say exists. And while you focus solely on low income labor, the the same cause and effect would then hold true for the labor force in general.

So in order to have a credible argument I would have had to marry a USC. Got it. See my post above about surfing the net while drunk.

Basic economic principles show that job growth happens when people spend money. And while it might create an oversupply of engineers if the U.S. decided to offer an unlimited amount of H-1B visas to foreign engineers, if there is a high demand, those working professionals would be spending money and paying taxes that in turn create other jobs. This is why some European countries are taking extreme measures to deal with their dwindling populations. There's really no economic basis as to why we would need to limit immigration in this country and even there was, any of us here with our foreign spouses should be the last ones to try and make that argument since we would be contributing to the problem.

See you've already zoomed right by the fact that these people broke laws to get here, and didn't follow the legal immigration process. I got a newsflash for you sunshine, I worked with 100s of H1B engineers. Mostly from south Asia. This is how it went. They were basically abused and made to work super long hours writing code etc. In the mean time they lived in 1 or 2 bedroom apartments with 5-10 people in each apartment. They then sent every spare nickel they had back to their foreign families. Sounds awesome, eh? I'd hardly call that job creation unless you're talking about Western Union agents.

To your point about foreign spouses. In just about every case that I know where a USC brought a foreign spouse here, most of them either don't work, or work some token part time job. And guess what, we brought them here LEGALLY. We didn't sneak them in across the border illegally and then start complaining when they weren't treated fairly.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

We tell you all the time. A lot of Americans are willing to accept anybody as long as they are not a black American. Other Africans who come here do not have the same history with America as we do.

Well then if they accept black Africans with no problem, then how is skin color the problem ?

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Well then if they accept black Africans with no problem, then how is skin color the problem ?

It is!!! We have explained this to you 500 times as well. Some don't like Africans either but they are more acceptable of them because the poor history is not there.

You should hear some of the nasty, racist comments are hear about Africans, South Asians and brown Spanish speakers. It is unbelievable.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

It is!!! We have explained this to you 500 times as well. Some don't like Africans either but they are more acceptable of them because the poor history is not there.

You should hear some of the nasty, racist comments are hear about Africans, South Asians and brown Spanish speakers. It is unbelievable.

Yes I know I am married to a South Asian Person. There are some "idjits" in the world..Idjit is a Philippino term I like.

However you can concentrate on the idjits so hard you lose faith in yourself and fail to see that most people are not

Hank Arron is a great example. He carries around so much hate, becuse of some racism he encountered back in the day. He still carries around same racist letter he got back in the day. Yet he got probably millions of fan letters and Millions of young white kids asking for autographs and wearing his jersey. Poor hank is focused on that one letter.Poor gu

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Yes I know I am married to a South Asian Person. There are some "idjits" in the world..Idjit is a Philippino term I like.

However you can concentrate on the idjits so hard you lose faith in yourself and fail to see that most people are not

Hank Arron is a great example. He carries around so much hate, becuse of some racism he encountered back in the day. He still carries around same racist letter he got back in the day. Yet he got probably millions of fan letters and Millions of young white kids asking for autographs and wearing his jersey. Poor hank is focused on that one letter.Poor gu

I focus on real life experiences. But unlike some, I don't let my bad experiences overpower my good ones. But when I see something that is racist, or that is used to make a stereotypical generalizations against a whole race, I step in and say something. But that is me.

I don't let what I see on TV or my bad experiences make me hate an entire race. My post was about the delay on immigration reform and it is turned into a topic on blacks.

I can't control black people I DON'T FREAKING KNOW!!!! I'm sick of people saying black people should clean up their community. F that!! I clean my community I am in. Why would I go to a neighborhood of folks I don't know telling them what to do with their community but then neglect my own? What do I have to do with what some random black person did in New York? Nothing!

I had an Indian friend married to a white guy. You know what his family told him? His ####### would have a brown stain on it for life if he stuck it in a sand n#####. Is that your fault? NO! And I don't blame you for it. But if the shoe was on the other foot and some random black person from a whole in Alaska said something racist, every person in America would be blaming ALL black people for it.

The double standards out here are darn ridiculous.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Your argument is basically that an influx of labor from outside of our borders has a negative impact on the lower income job market. If you were someone who married a USC and not a foreigner, you might have a bit more credibility with your convictions, but since you and everyone else here has a spouse that you brought here to this country, you've contributed to the very problem you say exists. And while you focus solely on low income labor, the the same cause and effect would then hold true for the labor force in general.

Basic economic principles show that job growth happens when people spend money. And while it might create an oversupply of engineers if the U.S. decided to offer an unlimited amount of H-1B visas to foreign engineers, if there is a high demand, those working professionals would be spending money and paying taxes that in turn create other jobs. This is why some European countries are taking extreme measures to deal with their dwindling populations. There's really no economic basis as to why we would need to limit immigration in this country and even there was, any of us here with our foreign spouses should be the last ones to try and make that argument since we would be contributing to the problem.

How about we brought our spouse here in a lawful manner. Anyone who advocates otherwise should be reported.

[Danno 1,228]

I had an Indian friend married to a white guy. You know what his family told him? His ####### would have a brown stain on it for life if he stuck it in a sand n#####. Is that your fault? NO! And I don't blame you for it. But if the shoe was on the other foot and some random black person from a whole in Alaska said something racist, every person in America would be blaming ALL black people for it.

The double standards out here are darn ridiculous.

What I find interesting is your insistence that you are no more connected to random Black people than am I.... yet you are the one always inserting your passions for Blacks in the news, out of some race loyalty (or so it seems).

Either you share Eric "My people" Holders sentiment or you don't.

I think it is perfectly understandable that your loyalties are often found in your race, but why do you then act as if the random Black from NY or where ever has no connection to you?

If Black can "collectively" reap the label of victim... of the persecuted. IF you can collectively form endless groups orgs and businesses based on nothing more than the shared skin color... why would you be stunned that people think you should also share in "unique" distinctions that are found in this grouping you insist on as well?

I for one have never blamed you personally for anything you have not personally done.

IF someone is guilty of that unfairness name them and quote an example.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

What I find interesting is your insistence that you are no more connected to random Black people than am I.... yet you are the one always inserting your passions for Blacks in the news, out of some race loyalty (or so it seems).

Either you share Eric "My people" Holders sentiment or you don't.

I think it is perfectly understandable that your loyalties are often found in your race, but why do you then act as if the random Black from NY or where ever has no connection to you?

If Black can "collectively" reap the label of victim... of the persecuted. IF you can collectively form endless groups orgs and businesses based on nothing more than the shared skin color... why would you be stunned that people think you should also share in "unique" distinctions that are found in this grouping you insist on as well?

I for one have never blamed you personally for anything you have not personally done.

IF someone is guilty of that unfairness name them and quote an example.

Uhhh I share passion for all races. Just like I was furious the judge didn't give that man the book for molesting and raping his children. My heart hurts for those kids, what they went through and still will have to go through for physical and mental recovery. Those kids are white.

Ok, so as a white man, you are responsible for every mass shooting, murder, rape and child molestation done by a white person?

Please read what I wrote C A R E F U L L Y so you can see how stupid it sounds and realize that this idea of thinking is just the same stupid when implied towards black people.

Please tell me how I have been "rewarded" for being a victim?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I focus on real life experiences. But unlike some, I don't let my bad experiences overpower my good ones. But when I see something that is racist, or that is used to make a stereotypical generalizations against a whole race, I step in and say something. But that is me.

I don't let what I see on TV or my bad experiences make me hate an entire race. My post was about the delay on immigration reform and it is turned into a topic on blacks.

I can't control black people I DON'T FREAKING KNOW!!!! I'm sick of people saying black people should clean up their community. F that!! I clean my community I am in. Why would I go to a neighborhood of folks I don't know telling them what to do with their community but then neglect my own? What do I have to do with what some random black person did in New York? Nothing!

I had an Indian friend married to a white guy. You know what his family told him? His ####### would have a brown stain on it for life if he stuck it in a sand n#####. Is that your fault? NO! And I don't blame you for it. But if the shoe was on the other foot and some random black person from a whole in Alaska said something racist, every person in America would be blaming ALL black people for it.

The double standards out here are darn ridiculous.

I think we people say blacks need to clean up their own community,they are saying.."stop blaming all the problems of the black community on racism, and start admitting that the black community has a real set of problems that can not be blamed on Racism. There are a lot of people, myself Included who recognize the injustices of the past , but are tired of hearing every failure blamed on racism.

As for Stupid stuff people say. My friends attribute my irrational good luck in most things , to the fact that I have been known to know a black woman or two. Old superstition that it gives you good luck..

[lostinblue 1,989]

[Danno 1,228]

Uhhh I share passion for all races. Just like I was furious the judge didn't give that man the book for molesting and raping his children. My heart hurts for those kids, what they went through and still will have to go through for physical and mental recovery. Those kids are white.

No one doubts that people can have compassion and even concern for those outside their

"group" so your concern for white children is quite normal......

in the same way a mother who would die for her own children is able to feel the pain of other peoples children, yet that does not place "her children" and strangers children on the same level.

[Danno 1,228]

Please tell me how I have been "rewarded" for being a victim?

Of course I can't speak to your personal situation but it would seem, right now we have a Justice Dept who shows more concern for injustices done to some more than others.

Take the trayvon Martin case.... does Eric "My people" Holder send such resources and make such claims about just any hoodlum shot down or did he go there in large part because of the race of both parties? (looking out for his people)?

Look at the Billions spent on the Pig-ford settlement (one and two) , clearly a race-give away to black people who were never harmed in any way.

As a black women, scholarship money available to you is astronomical compared to the a low income white guy.

There are federal and state dollars earmarked to help you (as a black) start up a business, get a job, and get favoritism in winning Gov't contracts.

Your SAT score will get you into universities a white with the same score could not get into.

Your desire to become an officer in the Military allows you opportunities a similar scoring white male would never have.

All these advantages are based on one premise..... that your ancestors were victimized,

even if you are Like Obama had no connection at all to Black US history (his father was from Kenya)... yet your skin color affords you opportunities.

That I point out this reality does not mean some allowances might not at one time have been reasonable..... but you asked and I answered.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

So in order to have a credible argument I would have had to marry a USC. Got it. See my post above about surfing the net while drunk.

See you've already zoomed right by the fact that these people broke laws to get here, and didn't follow the legal immigration process. I got a newsflash for you sunshine, I worked with 100s of H1B engineers. Mostly from south Asia. This is how it went. They were basically abused and made to work super long hours writing code etc. In the mean time they lived in 1 or 2 bedroom apartments with 5-10 people in each apartment. They then sent every spare nickel they had back to their foreign families. Sounds awesome, eh? I'd hardly call that job creation unless you're talking about Western Union agents.

To your point about foreign spouses. In just about every case that I know where a USC brought a foreign spouse here, most of them either don't work, or work some token part time job. And guess what, we brought them here LEGALLY. We didn't sneak them in across the border illegally and then start complaining when they weren't treated fairly.

Try and follow your flawed logic - (see in brackets) [an influx of cheap labor from outside our borders has hurt the job market and the economy]. What it might contribute to is the lowering of wages across the board, but overall, all those undocumented workers not only earn money, they pay taxes and they spend it, which in turn, drives the economy. It's flawed logic because if that cause and effect does exists, then it exists across the board, regardless of how these workers got into this country (H1B, etc.). Therefore, you are essentially making the argument against immigration across the board because, in your view, it has a negative impact on jobs and the economy. And that's why I said that your convictions would have more merit had you not brought here a foreign spouse, but by the fact, you are part of the "problem" that you believe exists. If your spouse works, and especially if she works a lower wage job, then that essentially makes you a hypocrite. Bringing up the argument that you did it legally while those who are undocumented did so illegally is irrelevant to your argument.

I then posted statistics on the demographics of these undocumented workers. Go back and read it. A large majority of them came here legally (overstayed visas) and many of them have been here over 10 years. Then take that in the context of the 20 years of data after Reagan's amnesty and the only rational solution which will actually improve our economy is to give these people a legal avenue towards citizenship. I know that makes some of you anti-immigrant types go beserk, but that's why it's best to use your head rather than your emotions when it comes to looking for solutions to our immigration issues.

Edited April 13, 2014 by Porterhouse