Nancy Pelosi: 'Race Has Something To Do With' Delay On Immigration Reform

[UncleBeer 244]

Yes and that same electorate seems much more fond of the Affordable Care Act. And they're even more fond of all of the building blocks of the ACA.

Splitting hairs, are we? You inadvertently bring the thread full circle back to Crazy Nan, insisting over and over and over that reports call this Turdburger by its correct name. She seems . . . distraught.

Republican propaganda and blatant misinformation and lies have certainly done some damage in public perception of the ACA - especially when it is called Obamacare.

Face it: it's by far the world's largest organizational startup led by folks with zero experience in business ("...what could go wrong?"). That's why it's been plagued by 'glitches', not to mention illegal delays and dreadful policy diktats. Try to blame the GOP all you want, but this is what comes from ramming through bad legislation in the dead of night without trying to garner any bipartisan support. This is entirely on the Democrat party and they'll wear it with pride in November.

[UncleBeer 244]

It's as much as he could do without Congressional action.

There's a reason Congress is meant to be consulted (and not ingored or rebuffed) in these matters. Either you snoozed through civics class or you're so completely blissed out on O's "fundamental transformation" jive that you don't care about the current regime's lawlessness.

[usanumber1 0]

can you see nancy in the wax museum? LOL

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Asians abuse the system as much as any other immigrant without means, the Chinese amongst them are no exception. Abuse is not linked to any one specific ethnic group.

So there are as many illegal Asians as Mexicans in this country ?

Liberal Hogwash

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Since you seem to like graphics so much:

Or post a face Palm, claim Bush or Reagan Did it,

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I understand.

Thank the heck out of YOU!!!!

Let one of us bring this up in a topic that had nothing to do with blacks and all would break lose.

I do agree many topics have a way of meandering to that topic, but several of our member's of color are just as guilty if not more so than others for this happening.

Take TM for example, I never talk about him, but Marvin always brings it up

No matter how many illegals are in this country, until the racist decide to let well be and understand that there are truly many good black people out here that want to work hard and be successful the unemployment rate for blacks will still be high.

They are selecting illegal immigrants over legal black people now. If they are legalized it will still be the same thing. Everybody over black folks. That is how it has always been. Look at the millions that are here now.

Unless those black folks are from Africa or the west Indies, then they thrive

Why do you think that is?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

They choose those immigrants because they can exploit the hell out of them. Pay them almost nothing, not insure them for anything and work the sleeves off of them because they can't complain, they have no voice. They don't steal jobs, the bosses pick them. Maybe if there was penalties for employing folks without the proper documentation, this wouldn't be as big as an issue as it is now.

You don't want illegal immigrants stealing jobs from Americans? Stop hiring them over Americans. It's that simple.

Before I quite working, the owner of my company encouraged me to hire illegals. We had to slow on it becuse of E-verify but at one time we had as many as 20 illegals. Of course they gave fake ID and we knew it, or suspected it.

They got the same exact pay and benefits as everyone else.

We hired them because their work ethic was 10 times the work ethic of the locals. Sometimes when we needed people to stay over and make OT I would ask for volunteers. Staying go to the left , don't want to go to the right.. The net result was all my black workers on the right and all my Hispanics to the left.

I am sure I will here how racist this is, but it's just the plain truth.You may not like it but it's the truth. The illegal and sometimes legal Hispanics worked rings around those raised in the US in every category. Quality, Production, Attendance.

Give me a break.

From post #1

Are you denying that black folks overwhelmingly vote Democrat? Am I not allowed to bring up the negative effect this will have on black workers or black unemployment, or can only black folks do that?

Just a guess on my part, but I'd say that black folks have a much higher ratio of people working at minimum wage than any other race. Do you think the majority of these newly minted registered Democrats are going to be working in high paying jobs in IT? Maybe banking? Of course not. They'll be competing with other people on the low end of the wage scale. The black folks are being taken for granted and sold out in the name of getting more Democrat voters, and they don't even see it.

Of course they vote about 95% democrat. However bringing up the fact that certian black culture behaviors are identifiable as a group is Racist.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'm glad he brought it up. It should be brought up. This will not be good for black folks. Bottom line.

Ever notice how when a liberal does something they ridicule us for they fall all over themselves absolving them of all blame. Typical.

Byrd can serve in the Senate, even though he was a Grand Wizard in the Klan cause he is a Dem.

Paula Dean can't admit she used a racial slur 20 years ago.

My point was and remains that when it comes to abusing the immigration system, there are Asians, Europeans and Africans that are as guilty as Latinos - although another poster wisely pointed out Latino not to be a race.

It is naive to pretend other ethnic groups don't do so.

Nobody has said others don't.. You said "equally" in a earlier post. That's absurd.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Ok fine. Numbers don't lie. I'd guess the percentage of illegal immigrants in this country from between the Costa Rica/Nicaragua border and the U.S./Mexican border is probably north of 90%.

So while there are other races breaking immigration laws, the vast majority are Hispanic/White whatever.

and they argue so much about silly ####### in here you can't even call them Hispanic's without a 4 page debate.

Do like we do here in Middle Ga. Anybody with a Spanish accent is a Messican. and be done with it. LOL

The employers need to take the majority of the blame. You have one party that wants them here for cheap labor (Corporations/Republicans) You have another party that wants them here for the political support (Democrats) It's pretty scary when both parties have a vested interest in illegal immigration since they rarely agree on anything.

Hammer applied to Nail. This is the truth if it's ever been told

Both sides are screwing the american people from different angles.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

It's because of what our people have been through, and what we continue to go through, we tend to have a bit more sympathy. Those folks aren't that far removed from us.

Those folks have nothing in common with the history of black people in this country

Truth, both are at fault. Just folks love to heap the blame on one and avoid the other.

We should take care of our unemployed and poor here first, and then work on those who come in need of aid. We send billions to other countries when we have homeless and starving children here at home. CLEAN OUR HOUSE THEN GO HELP CLEAN OTHERS!

SEE in the end we all agree on basic issues but we keep electing idiots to Washington

Them dudes are still frowned upon for what they did. I salute their courage.

Funny how my viewpoint on that changed over the years. I much like you understand why they did it and think I would have also, back then

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I do agree many topics have a way of meandering to that topic, but several of our member's of color are just as guilty if not more so than others for this happening.

Take TM for example, I never talk about him, but Marvin always brings it up

Unless those black folks are from Africa or the west Indies, then they thrive

Why do you think that is?

We tell you all the time. A lot of Americans are willing to accept anybody as long as they are not a black American. Other Africans who come here do not have the same history with America as we do.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Yeah I caught it after I posted. I still think that black folks shouldn't be supporting this amnesty thing. How about we try and get the low income unemployed folks that are already here, working, instead of adding more competition to the mix? Like it or not, wages are for the most part driven by market forces. Introducing millions more low wage earners to the equation isn't going to help that fact.

As you so often like to point out, black folks already have a tough time getting jobs. You think this is going to help them?

What specific low income jobs are you referring to? Walmart, for example, is the largest employer of low income jobs - are you suggesting that a large proportion of their workforce is undocumented? If you asked Walmart executives how to increase their market share, part of the equation would be to have an influx of lower income workers. Why? Because even the poor need to spend money, and they do, but most of their spending is on household goods and groceries - which is right up Walmart's alley. So there you have it. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Walmart's success has come from an ever growing number of low income earners. The more, the merrier. They aren't taking away jobs, but creating revenue for companies like Walmart who cater to spending habits of low income families. If you want to put a stop to it, support the unionization of retail workers, support the raising of the minimum wage. Then all boats are lifted as lower income earners would have more money to spend, which in turn would drive the economy.

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from Businessweek:

More than two decades of research show the 1986 law raised wages and helped lift the economy. By 1992 average hourly wages for the millions of formerly undocumented workers had risen 15.1 percent, according to a Department of Labor survey. U.S. wages overall continued to rise, a 2012 study by the Economic Policy Institute in Washington shows, even as the nation entered a recession that lasted from July 1990 to March 1991.

Barriers to upward economic mobility eased as the immigrants found jobs that better matched their skills, notes Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda, director of the North American Integration and Development Center at the University of California at Los Angeles. They pursued high school and college degrees and bought homes. “You have a chance to make it, you’re a stakeholder now,” he says. “These people are employed already. It’s not like you’re bringing them in and dumping them onto the labor market.”

Using economic projections from the Congressional Budget Office, Hinojosa-Ojeda calculates that a comprehensive immigration plan this year that includes a way for undocumented workers to gain legal status would increase tax revenue by $4.5 billion or more over three years, and increase gross domestic product by $1.5 trillion over 10 years. That includes $1.2 trillion in additional consumption and $256 billion in investment as immigrants buy houses and start businesses. Average wages of low-skill immigrant workers would increase by $4,405 a year for the first three years, he estimates. For skilled workers, wages would rise by more than $6,100 a year.

Sorry, I'm not buying the Democrats publicly stated motivations for this deal. They're politicians just like the Republicans. Getting their party elected comes first. Everything else is somewhere down the list.

The cool thing about Conspiracy Theories is you never need to provide any real proof to believe them.

Edited April 12, 2014 by Porterhouse

[one...two...tree 2,762]

More facts to make Right Wingers go into a tailspin:

• Immigrants have a diverse set of educational backgrounds. About 68 percent of the foreign-born population have attained a high school diploma, GED, or higher, compared to 89 percent of the native-born population. Approximately 11 percent of immigrants have a master’s degree, professional degree, or doctorate degree, compared to 10.2 percent of the native-born population.
• More than half of the foreign-born are homeowners. Around 52 percent of immigrants own their own homes, compared to 67 percent of native-born individuals. Among immigrants, 66 percent of naturalized citizens own their own homes.
• The 20 million U.S.-born children of immigrants are significantly better off financially than their immigrant parents. The median annual household income of second-generation Americans is $58,100, just $100 below the national average. This is significantly higher than their parents’ median annual household income of $45,800.
• U.S.-born children of immigrants are more likely to go to college, less likely to be living in poverty, and equally likely to be homeowners as the average American.About 36 percent of U.S.-born children of immigrants are college graduates—5 percent above the national average. Eleven percent of U.S.-born children of immigrants are in poverty—well below the national average of 13 percent. And around 64 percent of them are homeowners—just 1 percent under the national average.
• Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be incarcerated than native-born Americans, and higher rates of immigration are not associated with higher crime rates. A 2007 study finds that the incarceration rate for immigrant men ages 18 to 39 in 2000 was 0.7 percent, while the incarceration rate for native-born men of the same age group was 3.5 percent. While the foreign-born share of the U.S. population grew from 8 percent to 13 percent between 1990 and 2010, FBI data indicate that violent crime rates fell about 45 percent, while property crime rates fell 42 percent across the United States.

Undocumented immigrant population

• The growth of the undocumented immigrant population has slowed in recent years.In 2000 there were an estimated 8.4 million undocumented persons residing in the United States. This population peaked in 2007 at 12 million, but decreased to 11.1 million by 200918 and remains stable at 11.1 million in 2011.
• People from Mexico account for a large part of the undocumented population living in the United States. 6.8 million people, or 59 percent of the undocumented population, are from Mexico. Another 6 percent of the undocumented population is from El Salvador; 5 percent is from Guatemala; 3 percent is from Honduras; and 2 percent is from China and the Philippines.
• The majority of undocumented immigrants are well-settled in the United States. About 63 percent of undocumented immigrants have been living in the United States for 10 years or longer.
• Undocumented immigrants are often part of the same family as documented immigrants. 16.6 million people are in “mixed-status” families—those with at least one undocumented immigrant. Nine million of these families have at least one U.S.-born child.
• Undocumented immigrants are more likely than native-born Americans to be raising children. About 46 percent of undocumented immigrants, or about 4.7 million people, are part of families with children. By comparison, the figure for U.S. native adults and documented immigrants who live in families with children is 29 percent and 38 percent, respectively.
• Millions of U.S.-citizen children have undocumented parents. 4.5 million U.S.-born children had at least one unauthorized immigrant parent in 2010, an increase from 2.1 million in 2000.
• There are more than a quarter of a million LGBT undocumented adult immigrants in the United States today. The estimated 267,000 LGBT undocumented adult immigrants are more likely to be male and younger relative to all undocumented immigrants. Around 71 percent of LGBT undocumented adults are Hispanic, and 15 percent are Asian American or Pacific Islander.
• Nearly half of settled undocumented immigrants are homeowners. Among undocumented immigrants who had lived in the United States for 10 years or longer, 45 percent were homeowners in 2008. Among undocumented immigrants who have lived in the United States for less than 10 years, 27 percent were homeowners in 2008.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/report/2013/04/03/59040/the-facts-on-immigration-today-3/

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Before I quite working, the owner of my company encouraged me to hire illegals. We had to slow on it becuse of E-verify but at one time we had as many as 20 illegals. Of course they gave fake ID and we knew it, or suspected it.

They got the same exact pay and benefits as everyone else.

We hired them because their work ethic was 10 times the work ethic of the locals. Sometimes when we needed people to stay over and make OT I would ask for volunteers. Staying go to the left , don't want to go to the right.. The net result was all my black workers on the right and all my Hispanics to the left.

I am sure I will here how racist this is, but it's just the plain truth.You may not like it but it's the truth. The illegal and sometimes legal Hispanics worked rings around those raised in the US in every category. Quality, Production, Attendance.

Of course they vote about 95% democrat. However bringing up the fact that certian black culture behaviors are identifiable as a group is Racist.

It is quite funny how people love to sit around and talk about the so called "black problems" why don't you talk about your own race's problems. Ow, I know why, because when you are white and a white person commits a crime, the whole white race isn't held accountable for it but when you are black and a black person commits a crime the whole black race is accountable for it. Racists are just so freaking ignorant. And to justify racism with quotes like "there are certain things that are characteristics of black people" is just even more stupid.

If I live in Texas, I am not accountable for what someone does in New York.

How about this my friend, are you accountable for the Dupont man who raped and molested his children? Are you responsible for the kind in Pennsylvania who just went on a stabbing spree? Are you responsible for Columbine? Are you responsible for the man who just kidnapped his next door neighbors son and locked him in his house? Are you responsible for the religions sects here in Texas with 66 year old men are being married off to 10 year old girls while the head of the camp is making people believe his is a born again Jesus? Do you see this? All of these things I am describing are things that have been done by white people?

But the difference between ME and YOU is this, when I meet a white person, I do not think about any of the above. I think about are they are good person, will they make a good friend, are they trustworthy and reliable. When you meet a black person, you think of all of the things some random black person has done that has NOTHING and I mean NOTHING to do with the black person who is standing in front of your face.

It is people like you who continue to fueling the ongoing feud and poor relationship between blacks and whites in this country.

Furthermore, I can vote for whoever the heck I want to vote for. So what?!?!?! You vote for whoever you want to vote for. People vote for who makes them comfortable. Why would I vote for the Republicans who lack any kind of humanity at all.

And for your information, I didn't vote Democratic this last go round. NAH!!!! Shocking! A black person who didn't vote for Obama because he is black. Can you believe it.

Edited April 12, 2014 by Janelle2002

[Karee 4,191]

What specific low income jobs are you referring to? Walmart, for example, is the largest employer of low income jobs - are you suggesting that a large proportion of their workforce is undocumented? If you asked Walmart executives how to increase their market share, part of the equation would be to have an influx of lower income workers. Why? Because even the poor need to spend money, and they do, but most of their spending is on household goods and groceries - which is right up Walmart's alley. So there you have it. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Walmart's success has come from an ever growing number of low income earners. The more, the merrier. They aren't taking away jobs, but creating revenue for companies like Walmart who cater to spending habits of low income families. If you want to put a stop to it, support the unionization of retail workers, support the raising of the minimum wage. Then all boats are lifted as lower income earners would have more money to spend, which in turn would drive the economy.

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from Businessweek:

The cool thing about Conspiracy Theories is you never need to provide any real proof to believe them.

IDK if you could read that would be a start. Low income like Landscaping, construction etc. Danno laid out a few. If you don't know what low income means, I can't help you. Unfortunately, you like most of your ilk, took it as an opportunity to take a swing at Walmart.