Jeb Bush: Many illegal immigrants come out of an ‘act of love’

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I repeat:

....just because, for example, someone does not "like" homosexuality DOES NOT necessarily make him/her a homophobe. Can you even admit that statement is correct???

Your personal views shouldn't cloud the conversation. Do you have to let a gay person know you don't like his/her lifestyle? How can you have an objective talk with someone who's making negative comments about you from the very beginning?

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"Homophobe" / "phobic" are also misnomers (likely deliberate to make the other side appear even more "evil"). People that dislike homosexuals are not necessarily afraid of them.

[unsmiley 111]

Your personal views shouldn't cloud the conversation. Do you have to let a gay person know you don't like his/her lifestyle? How can you have an objective talk with someone who's making negative comments about you from the very beginning?

No, you don't have to do that. And shouldn't do that. But you cannot legislate speech or beliefs.

No one can make me (or anyone) like someone else.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

No, you don't have to do that. And shouldn't do that. But you cannot legislate speech or beliefs.

No one can make me (or anyone) like someone else.

That's not what I'm talking about. You can feel any way you like. But if you're going to be a politician, it's not too helpful for your cause when you let your personal beliefs get in the way of helping people. You talk about intolerance on the Left. The GOP has had issues with minorities and the gay community for decades. They actually spent 10 million dollars trying to reach out since they got the snot kicked out of them in the last election.http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/18/rnc-endorse-immigration-reform-report/

You're trying to justify this type of behavior. Basically saying someone has to accept that they're not liked and still be cool with it.

[unsmiley 111]

That's not what I'm talking about. You can feel any way you like. But if you're going to be a politician, it's not too helpful for your cause when you let your personal beliefs get in the way of helping people. You talk about intolerance on the Left. The GOP has had issues with minorities and the gay community for decades. They actually spent 10 million dollars trying to reach out since they got the snot kicked out of them in the last election.http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/18/rnc-endorse-immigration-reform-report/

You're trying to justify this type of behavior. Basically saying someone has to accept that they're not liked and still be cool with it.

Yes. Some have to accept that. It is not, and should not, be illegal to dislike someone. But to harm them, or actually discriminate against them (like not give them a job), should be prohibited.

Similar to your accusation, I can just as easily say that the Dems for years have been pandering to minorities and gays for votes. I could argue that the GOP has wanted to improve the situation and end the cycle of dependency that has kept traditionally oppressed groups down.

[Danno 1,228]

How did we go from Jeb Bush to sodomy?

(without me)

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Yes. Some have to accept that. It is not, and should not, be illegal to dislike someone. But to harm them, or actually discriminate against them (like not give them a job), should be prohibited.

Similar to your accusation, I can just as easily say that the Dems for years have been pandering to minorities and gays for votes. I could argue that the GOP has wanted to improve the situation and end the cycle of dependency that has kept traditionally oppressed groups down.

There isn't a law out there that says you have to like someone. But, if you're going to speak for the people, you have to reach them. You can't call someone ugly and expect them to go to prom with you. This is why the GOP has almost no minorities in their party.

We can argue it, but then, be ready to explain the Southern Strategy, which the GOP has been using since the 60's. Also, why when the GOP goes to rural areas where white people are on welfare, they never say lazy whites. And why to this day, they continue to do so with black people and other minorities.

The fact is, the GOP knows this country is 76% white. They've flat out ignored black people and other minorities because those votes, in their eyes don't matter. The only reason they are trying to reach across the aisle, is because of Obama winning two terms.

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"Homophobe" / "phobic" are also misnomers (likely deliberate to make the other side appear even more "evil"). People that dislike homosexuals are not necessarily afraid of them.

That defies logic. Try flipping that around - "I don't like heterosexuals" and tell me how that sounds? Most of us know someone who is gay. Have you ever told someone you didn't like them because they are gay? I would imagine they would ask you what specifically do you not like about their sexual orientation that's not just about you creeping out thinking about them having sex. If you say you don't like their sexual orientation based on your religious belief, what religion teaches hate and intolerance? Sounds like Westboro Baptist logic to me.

[JohnR! 5,495]

"Homophobe" / "phobic" are also misnomers (likely deliberate to make the other side appear even more "evil"). People that dislike homosexuals are not necessarily afraid of them.

To a certain extent you are correct. There are many who dislike homosexuals and are afraid of themselves and they own latent homosexuality. Psychologists maintain that homophobia or the profound dislike of homosexuality is often present in closeted homosexuals. They resent others who dare live their lives as they themselves can't. Their obsession is not with homosexuality in others, so much as in themselves.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

To a certain extent you are correct. There are many who dislike homosexuals and are afraid of themselves and they own latent homosexuality. Psychologists maintain that homophobia or the profound dislike of homosexuality is often present in closeted homosexuals. They resent others who dare live their lives as they themselves can't. Their obsession is not with homosexuality in others, so much as in themselves.

As ####### as it sounds, you have to embrace the gay within. It is okay.

[JohnR! 5,495]

As ####### as it sounds, you have to embrace the gay within. It is okay.

Or at least, if you can't embrace your own sexuality, don't presume you should tell others not to do it either.

[Peikko 1,575]

That defies logic. Try flipping that around - "I don't like heterosexuals" and tell me how that sounds? Most of us know someone who is gay. Have you ever told someone you didn't like them because they are gay? I would imagine they would ask you what specifically do you not like about their sexual orientation that's not just about you creeping out thinking about them having sex. If you say you don't like their sexual orientation based on your religious belief, what religion teaches hate and intolerance? Sounds like Westboro Baptist logic to me.

Exactly. The idea that you don't like 'homosexuals' is clearly irrational and bigoted to boot. You can dislike homosexuality if you so desire, I even think that's silly but I don't have any religious hang ups to worry about, but disliking homosexuality should not lead you to dislike homosexuals, that does not make sense.

[mota bhai 2,675]

Jeb Bush’s ‘Bulworth’ moment

By KATIE GLUECK | 4/8/14

It was an utterance worthy of “Bulworth,” a moment of straight talk from Jeb Bush that showed why the GOP donor class is so eager for the former Florida governor to run in 2016 – and spurred questions about whether, after 12 years out of office, he’s ready for the rough and tumble of today’s Republican Party.

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The episode has lit up social media and highlighted the fact that Bush, who last ran for office in 2002, would have to grapple with a party that has become dramatically more conservative since he — and for that matter his brother, former President George W. Bush — last ran a campaign.

Edited April 8, 2014 by mota bhai

[Operator 1,927]

We are now talking about gays and intolerance. These circle jerks always form a straight line before they get back in formation.

Please be patient.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

"... the way I look at this -- and I'm going to say this, and it'll be on tape and so be it. The way I look at this is someone who comes to our country because they couldn’t come legally, they come to our country because their families -- the dad who loved their children -- was worried that their children didn’t have food on the table. And they wanted to make sure their family was intact, and they crossed the border because they had no other means to work to be able to provide for their family. Yes, they broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love. It’s an act of commitment to your family. I honestly think that that is a different kind of crime that there should be a price paid, but it shouldn’t rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/06/jeb-bush-many-illegal-immigrants-come-out-of-an-act-of-love/

I am sick of the Bushes and sick of Obama. Not a spit worth of difference in them. Both selling this country to Hell for votes and power.