Ohio ban on recognizing out-of-state gay marriages to fall

[JohnR! 5,495]

Now if we could get married in Ohio, that would be great.

It really does not matter where you get married, so much as where your residence is. In the end, a marriage certificate is just a piece of paper, that carries with it some 1,300+ rights that would take a mountain of paper to replicate.

Of course, you need to bear in mind that only 50 years ago, an interracial marriage was considered a crime out country. Eventually America will get on the right side of history.

[Sousuke 1,214]

I'm not even sure why history will care about people's personal relationships...

[JohnR! 5,495]

-Not one person defended the unfairness of treating people different just because they share a blood line.

My suggestion is that you follow on the footsteps of many other Americans who felt discriminated by the existing laws and challenged their states, and ultimately the Union, and have won the right to marry their same-sex fiances and fiancees.

If you fancy marrying inside your bloodline, or fantasize about marrying a child or even your pet, retain legal counsel and have your Constitution-backed day in court. Perhaps you will find a court willing to hear your case.

[sharky-rex 76]

It really does not matter where you get married, so much as where your residence is. In the end, a marriage certificate is just a piece of paper, that carries with it some 1,300+ rights that would take a mountain of paper to replicate.

Of course, you need to bear in mind that only 50 years ago, an interracial marriage was considered a crime out country. Eventually America will get on the right side of history.

In the end it doesn't, no, but it's for sentimental reasons. Nikki would like to get married in the state she was born and spent most of her life in, where her family is. It kind of stings that we're not allowed. At least if they have recognition of out-of-state marriages we'll be legally protected like all other married couples.

[Danno 1,228]

Of course, you need to bear in mind that only 50 years ago, an interracial marriage was considered a crime out country. Eventually America will get on the right side of history.

And today currently, two cousins can not marry.

The regulations governing marriage have always been in flux due to a number of reasons.

What is new is the changing of the definition of what a marriage is.

When one looked in a dictionary in 1950 (or 1850) it said nothing about race because race did not define what a marriage was.

It did define marriage as male and female.

Age, blood relation, race, mental capacity, etc were all regulations, adjust anyone one of them and one need not change the dictionary.

.... because the definition did not change.

[Teddy B 17,252]

I'm not even sure why history will care about people's personal relationships...

Which is exactly why everyone should be allowed to live there lives how they see fit. Anyone who thinks they have the right to tell another human being who they can love and spend their life with, is nothing but a pompous #######.

[JohnR! 5,495]

In the end it doesn't, no, but it's for sentimental reasons. Nikki would like to get married in the state she was born and spent most of her life in, where her family is. It kind of stings that we're not allowed. At least if they have recognition of out-of-state marriages we'll be legally protected like all other married couples.

I do understand the sentimental aspect of it and I am sure in a few years it will all be behind us and forgotten. People like you and others are in the bleeding edge of history and helping pave the road for those who are still to travel on the same road. It all matters.

[JohnR! 5,495]

And today currently, two cousins can not marry.

The regulations governing marriage have always been in flux due to a number of reasons.

What is new is the changing of the definition of what a marriage is.

When one looked in a dictionary in 1950 (or 1850) it said nothing about race because race did not define what a marriage was.

It did define marriage as male and female.

Age, blood relation, race, mental capacity, etc were all regulations, adjust anyone one of them and one need not change the dictionary.

.... because the definition did not change.

Then I would suggest that if you want to marry your cousin you either get a lawyer and sue your state or get married in Alabama. The premise of this topic is the recognition of same-sex marriage in Ohio.

Edited April 7, 2014 by Gegel

[Danno 1,228]

In the end it doesn't, no, but it's for sentimental reasons. Nikki would like to get married in the state she was born and spent most of her life in, where her family is. It kind of stings that we're not allowed. At least if they have recognition of out-of-state marriages we'll be legally protected like all other married couples.

If you think you have it bad just think how difficult it is for three-sums who would like to be called a family (by law) and enjoy the benefits of that.

though there are cases making their way through the court, right now they yet have no state which honors their desires either.

Then I would suggest that if you want to marry your cousin you either get a lawyer and sue your state or get married in Alabama. The premise of this topic is the recognition of same-sex marriage in Ohio.

No, it's about human rights.... it is sad you don't get that.

[JohnR! 5,495]

No, it's about human rights.... it is sad you don't get that.

So was interracial marriage and it took Loving v. Virginia to get that changed. Get a lawyer; and try to stay on topic.

Edited April 7, 2014 by Gegel

[Sousuke 1,214]

Which is exactly why everyone should be allowed to live there lives how they see fit. Anyone who thinks they have the right to tell another human being who they can love and spend their life with, is nothing but a pompous #######.

yep. - totally agree

Edited April 7, 2014 by Brown Dwarf

[sharky-rex 76]

If you think you have it bad just think how difficult it is for three-sums who would like to be called a family (by law) and enjoy the benefits of that.

though there are cases making their way through the court, right now they yet have no state which honors their desires either.

No, it's about human rights.... it is sad you don't get that.

I would fully support opening up marriage to any number of adults who can give informed consent. If your wife agrees with you marrying another woman or man, fantastic. If not, you get to pick. Good luck. It's when you start dragging children into it that things turn creepy, and illegal for good reason. As for the relative thing, personally it squicks me out, but that should not be a basis for law. Obviously there's an issue with coupling between generations, because you can't guarantee the difference in power ever went away, nor that the child wasn't groomed for it. There's also a concern about genetic abnormalities for any children born to such union, but that can be handled with a different set of laws, I guess. Any call on the biblical definition of marriage is ridiculous, because of the obvious difference in circumstance between now and 2000 years ago. The short answer: I don't know. The definition of marriage is and should be evolving. Don't like interracial marriage? Don't marry out of your race. Don't like same-sex marriage? Don't marry someone of the same sex. Let the rest of us try to slowly make this world a better, freer place.

But Not a Tailor already covered all these points, and none of it registered with you. You have this way of twisting arguments until they're unrecognizable, throwing in things that are related only if you squint, cover your eyes and look sideways and generally making the discussion so ###-backwards no one wants to argue with you anymore. I don't even know why I'm replying, and I probably won't to anything you post after this.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I would fully support opening up marriage to any number of adults who can give informed consent. If your wife agrees with you marrying another woman or man, fantastic. If not, you get to pick. Good luck. It's when you start dragging children into it that things turn creepy, and illegal for good reason. As for the relative thing, personally it squicks me out, but that should not be a basis for law. Obviously there's an issue with coupling between generations, because you can't guarantee the difference in power ever went away, nor that the child wasn't groomed for it. There's also a concern about genetic abnormalities for any children born to such union, but that can be handled with a different set of laws, I guess. Any call on the biblical definition of marriage is ridiculous, because of the obvious difference in circumstance between now and 2000 years ago. The short answer: I don't know. The definition of marriage is and should be evolving. Don't like interracial marriage? Don't marry out of your race. Don't like same-sex marriage? Don't marry someone of the same sex. Let the rest of us try to slowly make this world a better, freer place.

But Not a Tailor already covered all these points, and none of it registered with you. You have this way of twisting arguments until they're unrecognizable, throwing in things that are related only if you squint, cover your eyes and look sideways and generally making the discussion so ####-backwards no one wants to argue with you anymore. I don't even know why I'm replying, and I probably won't to anything you post after this.

Tell your wife, well done.

[Danno 1,228]

Which is exactly why everyone should be allowed to live there lives how they see fit. Anyone who thinks they have the right to tell another human being who they can love and spend their life with, is nothing but a pompous #######.

Way to go teddy!

Take a stand against a non-issue.

If not all those laws infringing on peoples right to love who they want would probably get passed.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

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This topic veered seriously off of the posted topic for a while. Now that it has more or less returned to the proper discussion according to the first post, please do not derail it again. If you are not willing to discuss the topic at hand, then start your own thread to discuss the comments you wish to discuss,