3 million Californians insured under Obamacare - is "full repeal" realistic anymore?

[Boiler 45,525]

What happens when the money runs out?

[UncleBeer 244]

What happens when the money runs out?

Print more (but that's already the current strategy...).

[Peikko 1,575]

Because any US government is going to allow its US citizens to die in the streets? The money is going to be spent on poor people's health care regardless of whether it's through a sensible program that includes lots of preventative care or through crisis management using ER services that will now be much freer to do the job it was designed for. Imaging being able to go to an emergency room and getting immediate attention without having to pass through swathes of non emergency care patients? Wouldn't that be nice?

[mota bhai 2,675]

Because any US government is going to allow its US citizens to die in the streets? The money is going to be spent on poor people's health care regardless of whether it's through a sensible program that includes lots of preventative care or through crisis management using ER services that will now be much freer to do the job it was designed for. Imaging being able to go to an emergency room and getting immediate attention without having to pass through swathes of non emergency care patients? Wouldn't that be nice?

The GOP is perfectly happy with the old system where the uninsured went to the ER for everything. Not because it was efficient, but because it preserved liberty.

I don't expect you to understand though, isn't the UK still a monarchy?

[JohnR! 5,495]

The GOP is perfectly happy with the old system where the uninsured went to the ER for everything. Not because it was efficient, but because it preserved liberty.

I don't expect you to understand though, isn't the UK still a monarchy?

The only liberty it preserved was the liberty that deadbeats had to stick their medical bills to the rest of us who were responsible enough to buy insurance.

If that model were good, why not apply the same formula to car insurance or homeowner's insurance?

[JohnR! 5,495]

California is awesome! The rest of the US pretty much sucks.

I don't think the rest of the US sucks but I do know California is awesome. Cali is the state everyone who does not know it loves to hate.

In their little unaware hearts and minds, they wish they all could be California girls...

[unsmiley 111]

The only liberty it preserved was the liberty that deadbeats had to stick their medical bills to the rest of us who were responsible enough to buy insurance.

If that model were good, why not apply the same formula to car insurance or homeowner's insurance?

Yeah, now with Obamacare we get to stick it to the young and healthy. That's much more fair, right?

[JohnR! 5,495]

Yeah, now with Obamacare we get to stick it to the young and healthy. That's much more fair, right?

As much as we those who never have a car accident must have insurance to drive.

[unsmiley 111]

As much as we those who never have a car accident must have insurance to drive.

I don't understand your point. First you seem to be criticizing cost shifting. Then you seem to be justifying cost shifting to the young and healthy. And actually, it is this younger group who can least afford subsidizing others.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I don't understand your point. First you seem to be criticizing cost shifting. Then you seem to be justifying cost shifting to the young and healthy. And actually, it is this younger group who can least afford subsidizing others.

My point is that insurance is a process of cost shifting in that it spreads the cost around the pool of insurers. There are no guarantees that a young person will not get sick and perhaps by having insurance some will consider regular check ups and preventive care. Having said that I would have supported an initiative to allow hospitals to act in a fashion similarly to hotels, and require a credit card before checking in any patients and evicting them when the card is maxed out.

[mota bhai 2,675]

One can opt out of the mandate to carry auto insurance by moving to a part of the country where owning an automobile is not necessary, like Queens County in New York.

But there is no opt out of the health insurance mandate outside of becoming an illegal alien. If you are here legally, you are bound. Your very existence binds you to the mandate.

[JohnR! 5,495]

One can opt out of the mandate to carry auto insurance by moving to a part of the country where owning an automobile is not necessary, like Queens County in New York.

But there is no opt out of the health insurance mandate outside of becoming an illegal alien. If you are here legally, you are bound. Your very existence binds you to the mandate.

There is an opt out. One can move to a part of the country where one never gets sick.

[UncleBeer 244]

Your very existence binds you to the mandate.

Yup. It's pretty much a "breathing tax". Wonder why so many people dislike Obama? Here's one big reason.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

A lot of people benefit from lower health care costs - but especially those people in "Red" states or the South. That is why governors are turning down the medicare expansion, not because they think it's bad but rather when the ACA is fully realized, funded and working it will shatter the Republican mantra of "big government" is bad....AND the ACA is not even about big government, the irony is it's about big corporations (health insurance companies)

Watch 10 years from now when a lot of the issues have been worked out, Republicans will be standing there with their pockets pulled out and lint saying we got nothing when their OWN constituents are benefiting. When people in the red states, realize that they aren't losing their life savings because of health issues or that they don't have to work a 2nd ####### job just for medical benefits, or that their lovely kid at 22 still living at home and can't find a job with that art degree needs a medical treatment and can use their plan and not out of pocket, they will love the ACA and wonder what all the fuss was about.

I hope the Dems running for re-election don't turn spineless and run from Obamacare this fall. They need to stick by it, run on it. There has been so much money thrown against it by people like the Koch Brothers who are out of touch with the common American. They don't have to worry about health insurance or getting sick and wondering how their medical bills will be paid, but they have nerve to use their money to deny people life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Think about it. The only people who are against the ACA are rich people - who do not have the same problems as the working or middle class, and most certainly not the poor.

These Republicans are all discombobulated, that knucklehead Charles Krauthamer or whatever his name on Faux News was advocating that Democrats should have ran on single payer and that single payer was a better solution than the ACA. This guy must be from Colorado smoking some good weed because if Dems had eliminated health care companies Republicans would have blown a full tilt gasket claims of communism and goose stepping.

Spot on, brother.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Because any US government is going to allow its US citizens to die in the streets? The money is going to be spent on poor people's health care regardless of whether it's through a sensible program that includes lots of preventative care or through crisis management using ER services that will now be much freer to do the job it was designed for. Imaging being able to go to an emergency room and getting immediate attention without having to pass through swathes of non emergency care patients? Wouldn't that be nice?

That's why the Party of No has no real plan. There's no way out of their hard line stance that government involvement of healthcare can never work without involving public policy.