Fort Hood SHooting

[sara..... 371]

dang it marv your killing me here I am Muslim half of my family are Black Muslims and we love the 2nd Amendment..........we are avide hunters.........

sara

And you're adamant about hating Islam. You said you would like to see Muslims denounce violent acts. I posted links and quotes. Looks like your mind is made up. You say you're at danger from Muslims? You're more likely to get gunned down by an American who loves the 2nd Amendment.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You know it sickens me to always read Muslim this or that when its a crime that has been committed............why?.........Because when its non Muslim doing the crime you never see Christian this or that.........there are more crimes committed in the USA by non Muslim than by Muslim.......just seems like a way to poke fires that don't need to be poked unless people start labeling other criminals with what ever their Religious back grounds are.

Oklahoma bomber was not listed as Christian terrorist.......uni-bomber was not listed as Christian terrorist ......Charles Mason was not listed as Christian or atheist anything.

I am Muslim I am not the boogie man....I am not a terrorist ........I do not condone what people calling themselves Muslims have done in the name of Islam..........but I also dont go around saying oh look at what the Christians are doing when they commit a crime......there is no religion that makes criminals murder or commit unspeakable crimes towards humanity.....its the person he or she is a criminal....

just my opinion

sara

Why? Because stupidity. That's why.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

You're more likely to get gunned down by an American who loves the 2nd Amendment.

Statistically speaking, you are more in danger of being gunned down by a black man.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Most everyone thought it may have been a repeat of the first event in which an insane Muslim psychiatrist shouted "Allahu Akbar" before killing so many Americans, including a pregnant woman. In this case, it turned out not to be that repeat. It's prudent for every American to remain aware that attacks from religious zealots and crazy people are a real and true threat.

Reality check: You, Danno and Lost aren't most everyone. You are the fringe.

ETA: Not even Danno thought this. I owe him an apology here.

Edited April 3, 2014 by Mr. Big Dog

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Reality check: You, Danno and Lost aren't most everyone. You are the fringe.

ETA: Not even Danno thought this. I owe him an apology here.

Fringe? News alert. You are the fringe. No apologies either.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I still can't understand how some people get to become an Imam and then preach a message of violence and hatred. I think that's where the problem starts, when people are influenced by a charismatic leader who preaches that type of message to young followers. If there were some way to "defrock" them, that would help.

It is all a matter of perspective. Our armed forces have chaplains embedded amongst their ranks. The question could and should be asked how some people get to become chaplains and then serve in combat. Isn't that a conflict of interests?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Because I suspected that this attack may have been a repeat of the previous attack and was wrong, you assume that I am prejudiced. I was wrong this time and so are YOU!

You've had nothing but nasty things to say about Islam for a minute now. Had you been a bigger man and just apologized about jumping the gun, it would have gone a long way. You asked me did I feel shame about folks that kill in my religion. Do you feel shame when a gun owner goes on a rampage? Or as a Christian, when all those kids were molested, did you feel ashamed? Should you have to carry the burden? Do they represent you?

I'd wager no. Everyone is accountable for their own actions, I don't judge anyone for the actions of someone else. I'm responsible for me and my family. Not some douche bag who kills or commits acts of evil, Islam or whatever else.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There are tons of Muslims here who are ashamed to admit they're Muslim because of the hate they get here. When they denounce whatever horrible atrocities happen, it's never enough. http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/09/muslims-denounce-nairobi-mall-terrorist-attack-fox-news

On Sunday, the Council on American–Islamic Relations—a controversial DC-based Muslim advocacy group that is frequently the target of conservative ire—condemned the Nairobi mall attack. "We strongly condemn this cowardly attack by al-Shabab and offer condolences to the loved ones of those killed or injured," CAIR announced in a statement. "Our nation should offer whatever assistance we can to Kenyan authorities as they seek to free the hostages and bring to justice all those responsible for this heinous crime."

http://www.religionnews.com/2013/04/19/muslim-leaders-we-stand-against-terrorism/

“We will never allow ourselves to be hijacked by this attempt, and we will not allow the perception to be that there is any religion in the world that condones the taking of innocent life,” said Nihad Awad, national executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Top-Muslim-leaders-denounce-terrorism/-/688334/2033884/-/15bih96z/-/index.html

Speaking to Muslims at Gaddafi National Mosque, Sheikh Mubajje said there is no connection between Islam and terrorism.

“Go and slaughter animals but don’t spill human blood. Islam is a religion of peace and love. Desist from acts of terrorism because that is not who we are,” he said.

Sheikh Kayongo of the Kibuli faction called for unity and forgiveness, adding that, “Muslims are not terrorists”. He also challenged Muslims to vie for top political posts come 2016 so as not to be undermined.

Muslims are doing exactly what you are saying their not. No one is paying attention.

Hence, it must not be happening. You see, they ignore that which they demand and then claim it's not happening. It's brilliant. Only not.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

You've had nothing but nasty things to say about Islam for a minute now. Had you been a bigger man and just apologized about jumping the gun, it would have gone a long way. You asked me did I feel shame about folks that kill in my religion. Do you feel shame when a gun owner goes on a rampage? Or as a Christian, when all those kids were molested, did you feel ashamed? Should you have to carry the burden? Do they represent you?

I'd wager no. Everyone is accountable for their own actions, I don't judge anyone for the actions of someone else. I'm responsible for me and my family. Not some douche bag who kills or commits acts of evil, Islam or whatever else.

Deflect, deflect, deflect Marvin. It's prudent to keep in mind that there are people on this earth that just don't like Americans. In fact, they dislike them so much that they blow up buildings, carry homicide bombs, blow up discotheques, behead on video, and behave in evil manners. I have no apologies for remaining vigilant.

Edited April 3, 2014 by ExExpat

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

dang it marv your killing me here I am Muslim half of my family are Black Muslims and we love the 2nd Amendment..........we are avide hunters.........

sara

Sorry Sara, got a bit carried away.

Statistically speaking, you are more in danger of being gunned down by a black man.

And you're in danger of being gunned down by a white man. What's your point?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Fringe? News alert. You are the fringe. No apologies either.

I'm sorry that the truth hurts so bad. Nah, not really.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Deflect, deflect, deflect Marvin. It's prudent to keep in mind that there are people on this earth that just don't like Americans. In fact, they dislike them so much that they blow up buildings, carry homicide bombs, blow up discotheques, behead on video, and behave in evil manners. I have no apologies for remaining vigilant.

That's what you've been doing. You said Muslims don't condemn violence, I posted links saying otherwise. You say we're in danger of being killed by muslims, I've posted numbers showing you're more likely to be shot by some American rather than a muslim terrorist.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

And you're in danger of being gunned down by a white man. What's your point?

My point? You mean it isn't clear by now? There's danger in the world everywhere. There is an effort happening in Washington to sell the American people a bottle of snake-oil whose ingredients include the requirement to assume there is no such thing as Islamic extremists, and you are trying to sell a bill of goods that makes every effort possible to support that suggestion. Pretty simple point actually.

Edited April 3, 2014 by ExExpat

[B_J 2,752]

RIP Fred Phelps. There are tons of preachers spreading hate. The only difference between us and them is our country isn't run by a religious faction.

This is why we can't have a real discussion about race or religion. I acknowledged there have been Christian terrorists. But rather than continue the discussion about how an Imam stays the leader of a "church", you instead just decided to knock a "Christian" church/leader.

But I'll do what i wanted you to do.

To the best of my knowledge, Baptist churches are all independent. While they may form organizations like the Southern Baptist Convention, each church is independent. The ordination process for a Baptist church is pretty lax. I think anyone who is an ordained minister can choose to ordain anybody else. There isn't any strict requirement that the person has attended seminary or anything else. I think it is this lack strict guidelines that allows something like the Westboro Baptist Church to happen. I would think it also led to the anti-abortion killings. A very charismatic leader can convince people to do a lot of things that they normally wouldn't do.

I wonder if this might be a problem in the Muslim religion as well.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

My point? You mean it isn't clear by now? There's danger in the world everywhere. There is an effort happening in Washington to sell the American people a bottle of snake-oil whose ingredients include the requirement to assume there is no such thing as Islamic extremists, and you are trying to sell a bill of goods that makes every effort possible to support that suggestion. Pretty simple point actually.

What effort are you talking about? I didn't say there was no danger in terrorist attacks. I pointed out that there are more people killed by their fellow Americans than there are killed my Muslims. Where did I ever say there's no such thing? Please point that out for me. I'll wait.

This is why we can't have a real discussion about race or religion. I acknowledged there have been Christian terrorists. But rather than continue the discussion about how an Imam stays the leader of a "church", you instead just decided to knock a "Christian" church/leader.

But I'll do what i wanted you to do.

To the best of my knowledge, Baptist churches are all independent. While they may form organizations like the Southern Baptist Convention, each church is independent. The ordination process for a Baptist church is pretty lax. I think anyone who is an ordained minister can choose to ordain anybody else. There isn't any strict requirement that the person has attended seminary or anything else. I think it is this lack strict guidelines that allows something like the Westboro Baptist Church to happen. I would think it also led to the anti-abortion killings. A very charismatic leader can convince people to do a lot of things that they normally wouldn't do.

I wonder if this might be a problem in the Muslim religion as well.

Sorry, been fighting this thing since this morning.

Here's my take on this. I grew up as a Christian, 38 years of it. My family is very religious, on both sides. I've been inside churches that have had preachers talking about death to heathens and gays. My grandfather is an ordained minister, he preaches the right way, love and tolerance. I've been in Islam for about 3 years. I've been to the Mosque here and it's pretty much the same thing as my grandfather's church.

In retrospect, I think Islam is pretty much the same. You have those who follow it's teachings for what's it's intended use, and you have some that don't.

I apologize if I came off as standoffish.