87% of American women (18-64) claim to have been harassed on the street by men

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Yes you don't bother to question why there are women like that and what values they have learned and whether those values may in fact lead to these kinds of women undervaluing themselves as people because no one respects them for who they actually are, but only for what they are 'worth' to a man?

Speak to me oh great toothless one!

[Peikko 1,575]

Speak to me oh great toothless one!

You choose to believe that the only people who object to being objectified are ugly old crones. That's sexism in a nutshell, thanks for that,

Edited April 4, 2014 by The Truth™

[LibCampFireClub 635]

You choose to believe that the only people who object to being objectified are ugly old crones. That's sexism in a nutshell, thanks for that,

I like strong boys with strong pecks and stiff chin. Don't you?

[Peikko 1,575]

Let's call a spade a spade here. The ONLY reason a guy would 'compliment' a random female stranger on the streets is if at some level they find that woman sexually attractive. The 'compliment' is simply saying, if circumstances were different 'I'd do you'. 87% of women have come out saying, 'you know what? We'd much rather you kept that to yourselves'. All this tosh about compliments making a woman's day brighter. Again, 87% of women have said quite unequivocally that such knowledge does NOT make their days brighter, to a greater or lesser extent it ruins their day. All those who think they are being 'classy' by not leering and drooling while they say 'I'd do you' are fooling themselves. Try this test on yourself. If you had a daughter and you were walking down the street with her and she was 'complimented by random strangers (which noted they don't do - ask yourselves how many times you compliment women in mixed company) how often would you think, how nice, these guys think my daughter looks nice today? Yeah, right, not so funny is it?

[Karee 4,191]

Let's call a spade a spade here. The ONLY reason a guy would 'compliment' a random female stranger on the streets is if at some level they find that woman sexually attractive. The 'compliment' is simply saying, if circumstances were different 'I'd do you'.

[sharky-rex 76]

Here is the truth. If you know women, then you know how to flirt and you know instantly when a very subtle flirt is appreciated and you can up the level a bit.

I am not talking about cat calls and degrading comments.

I am talking about smiling while talking, the eye brow arch. If she smiles back , titls her head, plays with her hair drive on.

You must work really, really fast to be able to do all that while she's passing you by on the street.

English only outside the regional forums!

For some reason I expected better from you

[Not a Tailor 1,370]

So. I just thought I'd bring in a relevant story that happened to me today. I went to the pet shop to buy some kitty claw covers for Peter Parker. I was wearing baggy blue jeans that I bought in the little boys' section of Old Navy, a burgundy t-shirt, an American Eagle men's double breasted wool winter coat in dark dark blue and black shoes. My hair is cut short and I was wearing no makeup. For the record, I have strong features and heavy eyebrows (like a lot of more androgynous models).

As I stepped out of the shop, a man called out to me. "Excuse me sir," he said, mistaking me for a boy. "Do you have the time?"

I paused and looked at the time on my mobile phone. It's not the first time I've been mistaken for a boy wearing that coat, so it didn't phase me. "It's 3:15," I replied.

"Oh! Oh, I'm SO sorry!" he said, realizing from my high voice that I was a women.

I waved it off. "It's fine, happens all the time." I stepped past him to continue on my way.

"It's your baby face! You must be younger than my putter."

I continued away, walking more quickly. He stepped into my space, getting in front of me. "My putter's 27 years old, but the rest of me is 53," went one of his remarks (I didn't tell him my age, it was coincidence that he said his putter was 27).

I held up my hand, showing my wedding ring, still trying to walk away. "I'm married, f**k off."

He pushed into my space again. An older woman pushed in between him and me, allowing me to escape. If she hadn't, the story could have ended very differently. He was over six feet and strongly built to my twiggy 5'4 and he was not intending to let me leave.

What did I do to bring this on? Dared to give someone the time? I looked like a boy. He read me as a boy, until I spoke. The moment he realized I had a #######, he wanted to put his 'putter' in me and decided to lewdly tell me about that. Should I just keep my eyes down and my mouth shut and never speak to anyone who politely asks me a question?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Androgyny is sexy, especially to older men.

[Not a Tailor 1,370]

Androgyny is sexy, especially to older men.

So what? I should put on a lot of makeup so I look way more femme when I go out? Oh wait. Then it'll be my fault when ####### like that happens because I put too much attention into my appearance and therefore was asking for it.

What's the solution? Never speak to anyone when I go out? Don't go out? Only go out with a strong male chaperone? Be rude and stuck up?

Tell me exactly how this is my fault, how I'm asking for it, as has been said over and over in this thread alone, that women like being treated like this and bring it on ourselves.

Edited April 5, 2014 by Not a Tailor

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I don't know what you should do. You should decide that for yourself. Most of the women I interact with seem to manage life just fine without the training wheels.

[Not a Tailor 1,370]

I don't know what you should do. You should decide that for yourself. Most of the women I interact with seem to manage life just fine without the training wheels.

Oh my god how is your reading comprehension this low. I'm not asking for training wheels. If he had tried something, well, I've fought off bigger guys. I'd probably get hurt, don't get me wrong, and I'd be shaken up as heck, but every guy folds if you kick him hard enough in his 'putter.'

This is what I am talking about:

1) In this thread, many men have posited that women invite it by dressing a certain way.

2) I have proven with this instance that it happens no matter how women dress.

3) The question I am asking is 'If it is the woman's fault and women invite it no matter how they dress, how does a woman avoid inviting it?'

If women are inviting it, tell me how I was just inviting it? Tell me what magic thing would make me not inviting it.

Because if you can't, then the entire concept of 'women are inviting it' is bunk and every person who has posted that needs to shut up.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Obviously, you are getting hysterical, so I will just leave you with one observation about life - If you go looking for a confrontation, you will generally find it. This makes reasonable conversation impossible. So, I will just add you to my ignore list, and not bother you again. Good day, madame!

[Karee 4,191]

I wish Kip was still around. This thread would be awesome.

[Not a Tailor 1,370]

Obviously, you are getting hysterical, so I will just leave you with one observation about life - If you go looking for a confrontation, you will generally find it. This makes reasonable conversation impossible. So, I will just add you to my ignore list, and not bother you again. Good day, madame!

Ah, hysteria, the most commonly used word in all of history to erase the words of a woman. It literally comes from the idea that hysteria comes from the uterus (which we all know it doesn't).

What it ACTUALLY means is "As a man, I find your words intimidating and I cannot come up with an answer that doesn't make me look bad, so I am going to pretend that you are crazy so that I can look just fine when I refuse to think about something that makes me uncomfortable."

Thank you for your blatant sexism.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Yeah, because that's a really manly response to my request to respect strange women you pass in the streets. You know damn all about me but carry on using pejorative language because you think it's silly to object to being objectified. Brilliant, only a MAN could come up with that logic.

I gave up attempting to have a level headed conversation with you about 6 pages ago. I have said repeatedly that I treat women with nothing but respect and class, you have chosen to ignore that.

Edited April 7, 2014 by Teddy B