Trouble obtaining birth certificate in China

[I love San Diego 18]

Apparently before 1997 birth certificates were not a normal thing in China. My fiance seems to be having trouble getting this. She said her father passed away 13 years ago, and she does not have the documents and cannot make a birth certificate. I think there might be a communication problem, because I am sure other people in this situation have obtained a birth certificate. Can anyone shed some light on this? Yes I told her about the household book, she insists she needs documents pertaining to her fathers death that are no longer available.

Thank you.

[RandyW 149]

Apparently before 1997 birth certificates were not a normal thing in China. My fiance seems to be having trouble getting this. She said her father passed away 13 years ago, and she does not have the documents and cannot make a birth certificate. I think there might be a communication problem, because I am sure other people in this situation have obtained a birth certificate. Can anyone shed some light on this? Yes I told her about the household book, she insists she needs documents pertaining to her fathers death that are no longer available.

Thank you.

She needs to present her hukou (household registry) and her Chinese ID. What did they tell her when she asked for one at the Gong Zheng Chu?

Chinese Notarial Documents - see DOS China Reciprocity Schedule

NOTE: Try http://travel.state..../fees_3272.html or go to http://travel.state.gov/ and search for "Reciprocity by Country" (they seem to change this periodically)

Most of the documents needed can be obtained from one of China's Notarial Offices (Gong Zheng Chu). All Chinese documentation to be used abroad is processed through the notary offices and issued in the form of notarial certificates. Notarial offices are located in all major Chinese cities and in rural county seats

The documents required are the GongZhengShu 公证书

Sample application for documents (your province or hukou may vary):

http://www.bnpo.gov....72115331419.doc

http://www.bnpo.gov....ide/detail1.asp

A discussion of the huji (or hukou 户口) system can be found at Hukou System. Chinese residents should go to their hukou for all notarial documents (birth, divorce, and/or single certificate, and police records). For the police record, one obtained at the hukou will cover all of China.

A notarial document will be in the standard white notarial booklet, have an official red seal, an English translation, and an attestation to the true translation.

[I love San Diego 18]

I asked her more. She is in Xinjiang, she said they told her that her hukou and ID card were insufficient to obtain a birth certificate. They are asking for information about her father and mother, and her fathers death record is not on file or something, it is no longer obtainable. We are not sure what to do... I do not believe that it is just impossible to get a birth certificate.

Thanks for the help

Edited April 2, 2014 by I love San Diego

[SBB 74]

Did she try to obtain the birth certificate in the area where her hukou is registered?

[ama537621 3]

She will have to go go the city where her Hokou is registered. It is a very annoying thing to deal with in China but necessary.

[Darnell 8,478]

if she lives and works 'not in her hukuo district/city' then of course she is going to have travel problems.

I can only think there is something amiss with her current hukuo book.

[dilemina 0]

Sorry to hijack the tread. But I thought my question fit here.

My wife got a letter from the beijing police department stating she had no criminal record. And brought that along with her hukou and Chinese ID card to the notary republic.

What she got back when finished was anotarization of the police letter, and another notarization of her birth information,( birthday, parents, and ID numbers).

But they kept the original copy of the police letter.

Will this suffice at interview time?

According to Chinese law these notarizations are bound by law.

Will the consulate see it that way?

Thank you!

Edited April 7, 2014 by dilemina

[Darnell 8,478]

notarized,

or translated into english

or

a notarial translation of an original document, bound into a white book, showing a now notarized copy of the original document inside the white book, with attestation that the original tallies with the contents shown herein ?

I'm hoping a white book was produced.

[dilemina 0]

Yes. Two notarized white books, with English translations that were sworn under the notary republic.

One with birth information, one stating no criminal record.

But no photocopies or original documents.

When we got our marriage certificate notarized, they also photo copied our original one and put the copies in the white book. And of course, gave us our original documents back.

They didn't do that with the police letter. But all the police letter was, was a written statement, signed by a police officer stating that there my wife had no criminal record. And the original letter was not returned or photocopied.

So was wondering if this was all we give, when regarding the police report and birth certificate.

Edited April 7, 2014 by dilemina

[Darnell 8,478]

ya, that's how it's done, red marriage book vs police letter vs birth record.

No worries, yer golden.

Why are you golden, you ask? If you read the white book police report, the english version, the translators attestation bits, you should see what it's not needed. Also, there's the 'chain of evidence' stuff, where the original is not returned but is listed in the white book.

Sounds like you gots the right white books, don't fret this stuff.

[dilemina 0]

Thanks for clearing that up Darnell! Much appreciated!

[I love San Diego 18]

Hello buddies, I got some emails on this thread so I thought I should update people. My fiance got her birth certificate, I guess she just had to get some more paperwork from other places. I guess the requirements differ a little bit in Xinjiang since they have some security issues.

[Darnell 8,478]

ya know, I was thinking about that as well, but was not sure it would be any issue.

Good on her for getting it done !

[Darnell 8,478]

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Thanks so much, and Thanks in advance !