Issues you may need to discuss with your MENA SO

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MK

Thank you for this eloquent post. You express a sentiment that is so real among many palestinians and israelis and who sadly have their voices muted by an American media who perfers to paint this conflict with sweeping and ignorant generalizations. The small handful of palestinians and israelis that I have met have spoken of this same experience. I suspect it more the reality than an anomaly.

Until we are willing to understand this conflict in human terms rather than political rhetoric we will remain far from a solution.

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Where do the Israeli's belong?

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now it's gonna get good

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now it's gonna get good

Prior to joining MENA I have not been into politics. I'm not up on the situation, so that was a serious question, no sarcasm intended. Those who know me know I mean no harm, and those that don't better put their guns down.

Edited January 8, 2007 by maggieNomar

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Me either far from politically correct, guess thats what we are supposed to learn here

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Where do the Israeli's belong?

What do you mean?

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Where do the Israeli's belong?

What do you mean?

Never mind. I'll do some reading before I ask silly questions.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Wow that's quite a sweeping generalization of all Arab media. It is simply not true -- not all Arab media "vilify the Jewish people," nor "call for the destruction of the state of Israel."

Wow, WOM, that's a misleading makeover of my statement. It's simply not true that I said ALL Arab media, nor did I include anything about a "call for the destruction of the state of Israel." I'm also not in denial about what is broadcast.

If this thread is going to go off track, it will be because of embellishments like this.

I AM Palestinian, as is my family; I'm not just married to one. I don't need a lecture on how it is there or the atrocities that have and do go on or who gets along with whom. Why you think I do is not because of anything I actually said. I'm not interested in a "who's more offended by the Israeli government than who. No one has to agree here, but I would GREATLY appreciate it if emotion doesn't overtake reading comprehension, opening the door for negative assumptions.

Edited January 8, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

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Where do the Israeli's belong?

What do you mean?

Never mind. I'll do some reading before I ask silly questions.

A question is never silly if you are asking to learn. I wanted to answer but I wasn;t sure what you meant

ETA: besides if you are wondering, i bet there are others who would ask the same question. So asking is always good.

Edited January 8, 2007 by mybackpages

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Where do the Israeli's belong?

Well they belong in Israel. Problem is, they want the West Bank, too.

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Where do the Israeli's belong?

What do you mean?

Never mind. I'll do some reading before I ask silly questions.

A question is never silly if you are asking to learn. I wanted to answer but I wasn;t sure what you meant

ETA: besides if you are wondering, i bet there are others who would ask the same question. So asking is always good.

Ok then I put it out there again, and now WoM has come by and answered it. I just wasn't sure if they had a real country of their own, or were just trying to make/take one. I only know the history of Isrealites from a Biblical standpoint, and not even sure where they went after that. Like I said, I need to catch up on my history, and fast apparently. Thanks for being willing to help out.

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Ok then I put it out there again, and now WoM has come by and answered it. I just wasn't sure if they had a real country of their own, or were just trying to make/take one. I only know the history of Isrealites from a Biblical standpoint, and not even sure where they went after that. Like I said, I need to catch up on my history, and fast apparently. Thanks for being willing to help out.

Yeah and its so complicated to start understanding israel as a modern nation and where its boundaries should be. One thing that is often left out of a discussion about israelis is that they are Jewish, Christian Muslim as well as Atheists, Agnostic etc... Some Israeli Jews settled after WW2 while many other Israeli Jews are native to the region long before the creation of an Israeli state. In college I was friends with a Russian-American Jew whose husabnd was an Israeli and family had been in the region for centuries. His family faced a lot of discrimination from the more influencial European Jews who settled there after 1947. Many many Israelis do not support the policies of the recent governments in regards to the palestinians.

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Wow that's quite a sweeping generalization of all Arab media. It is simply not true -- not all Arab media "vilify the Jewish people," nor "call for the destruction of the state of Israel."

Wow, WOM, that's a misleading makeover of my statement. It's simply not true that I said ALL Arab media, nor did I include anything about a "call for the destruction of the state of Israel." I'm also not in denial about what is broadcast.

If this thread is going to go off track, it will be because of embellishments like this.

I AM Palestinian, as is my family; I'm not just married to one. I don't need a lecture on how it is there or the atrocities that have and do go on or who gets along with whom. Why you think I do is not because of anything I actually said. I'm not interested in a "who's more offended by the Israeli government than who. No one has to agree here, but I would GREATLY appreciate it if emotion doesn't overtake reading comprehension, opening the door for negative assumptions.

Misleading ? This is what you said:

Building on the argument from the "Honor Killing" thread that no one here would want to marry an MENA man who would advocate murder, how many know and agree with their SOs view about Jews and the nation of Israel? Arab media is unrepentant in villifying Jews as a whole and calling for the destruction of Israel. The hatred there is laid bare.

Do your views mesh regarding that topic?

The way you wrote it, it was a generalization. You didn't say "some Arab media," you said "Arab media." I didn't "make over" anything. But if that's not what you meant, I can accept your re-phrasing it. No denial here, just pointing out the fact that not all Arab media does the things you originally stated.

Now, as far getting emotional, or "lecturing" you, I've done neither. You asked a question. I answered it. It seems it wasn't the answer you wanted.

By the way, you've described yourself as a 4th generation Palestinian-American, born in the U.S. Well my great-grandmother and great-grandfather were born in France, and that whole side of my family is all of French heritage.... but this doesn't make me French.

And as for my husband (the one I'm "just" married to) well, he IS an actual born-and-bred Palestinian. Not only that, but all of his family are born-and-bred Palestinians, too. And he, and his family, agree with everything I've written here.

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Wow that's quite a sweeping generalization of all Arab media. It is simply not true -- not all Arab media "vilify the Jewish people," nor "call for the destruction of the state of Israel."

Wow, WOM, that's a misleading makeover of my statement. It's simply not true that I said ALL Arab media, nor did I include anything about a "call for the destruction of the state of Israel." I'm also not in denial about what is broadcast.

If this thread is going to go off track, it will be because of embellishments like this.

I AM Palestinian, as is my family; I'm not just married to one. I don't need a lecture on how it is there or the atrocities that have and do go on or who gets along with whom. Why you think I do is not because of anything I actually said. I'm not interested in a "who's more offended by the Israeli government than who. No one has to agree here, but I would GREATLY appreciate it if emotion doesn't overtake reading comprehension, opening the door for negative assumptions.

Misleading ? This is what you said:

Building on the argument from the "Honor Killing" thread that no one here would want to marry an MENA man who would advocate murder, how many know and agree with their SOs view about Jews and the nation of Israel? Arab media is unrepentant in villifying Jews as a whole and calling for the destruction of Israel. The hatred there is laid bare.

Do your views mesh regarding that topic?

The way you wrote it, it was a generalization. You didn't say "some Arab media," you said "Arab media." I didn't "make over" anything. But if that's not what you meant, I can accept your re-phrasing it. No denial here, just pointing out the fact that not all Arab media does the things you originally stated.

Now, as far getting emotional, or "lecturing" you, I've done neither. You asked a question. I answered it. It seems it wasn't the answer you wanted.

By the way, you've described yourself as a 4th generation Palestinian-American, born in the U.S. Well my great-grandmother and great-grandfather were born in France, and that whole side of my family is all of French heritage.... but this doesn't make me French.

And as for my husband (the one I'm "just" married to) well, he IS an actual born-and-bred Palestinian. Not only that, but all of his family are born-and-bred Palestinians, too. And he, and his family, agree with everything I've written here.

I didn't say ALL either, nor did I add anything about destroyng Israel. You added that, and you didn't have to.

I wasn't looking for a particular answer, and couldn't care less what you view is. I don't appreciate you aimming your answer at me for an invalid reason.

BTW, you really know nothing more about me than that I am 4th generation born in the US. You don't know about my background, where I grew up or have lived, nor where my family lives. You make sweeping comments about French ancestry assuming it relates to my background. You make ALOT of assumptions. Then you ASSume that they have meaning and that they are true. Bad habit on your part.

The fact is, marrying a Palestinian doesn't make you an expert on Palestinians. I have family too, but I'm not going to go into some pissing contest with your pride to prove who is more Palestinian than whom.

I would win, I assure you. I am not Palestinian by injection, and I wouldn't be less Palestinian by divorce.

Edited January 8, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

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I was wrong, I did have to correct to say that I did make that statement. I didn't think about it as it is simply an opening statement to spark discussion, not a statement to cause dissention. ALL are free to comment.

I really have no perference as to the views of others, but I'll be damned if I will stay put for someone to slam me and my heritage because, without knowing much about me, they assume they're more Palestinian than I am because of their marriage, so their opinion has more weight than others. Give me a break!This topic is open to all. If rank is going to be pulled because of who someone is married to, we may as well stop the discussion now.

Edited January 8, 2007 by Green-eyed girl