Issues you may need to discuss with your MENA SO

[Reynaldo 0]

Ok after 5 pages of reading this, I'm really suprised this hasn't been locked yet. I'm done.

I think the captain is waiting for the translation...

[peezey 0]

Ok after 5 pages of reading this, I'm really suprised this hasn't been locked yet. I'm done.

locked for what?

[Bosco 1]

Ok after 5 pages of reading this, I'm really suprised this hasn't been locked yet. I'm done.

I think the captain is waiting for the translation...

I don't know why the translation would cause it to be locked. It really isn't anything that wasn't said in English. I understood about 75% of it, and my husband filled in the blanks.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Ok after 5 pages of reading this, I'm really suprised this hasn't been locked yet. I'm done.

I think the captain is waiting for the translation...

I don't know why the translation would cause it to be locked. It really isn't anything that wasn't said in English. I understood about 75% of it, and my husband filled in the blanks.

Has anyone found that pesky, elusive translation yet?

[jordanianprincess 0]

Ok after 5 pages of reading this, I'm really suprised this hasn't been locked yet. I'm done.

I think the captain is waiting for the translation...

I don't know why the translation would cause it to be locked. It really isn't anything that wasn't said in English. I understood about 75% of it, and my husband filled in the blanks.

Has anyone found that pesky, elusive translation yet?

It was never directly translated in this thread, although there have been some indirect comments about the content of it. To be quite honest, its not worth translating.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Ok after 5 pages of reading this, I'm really suprised this hasn't been locked yet. I'm done.

I think the captain is waiting for the translation...

I don't know why the translation would cause it to be locked. It really isn't anything that wasn't said in English. I understood about 75% of it, and my husband filled in the blanks.

Has anyone found that pesky, elusive translation yet?

It was never directly translated in this thread, although there have been some indirect comments about the content of it. To be quite honest, its not worth translating.

I know that, you know that, but I've been accused of having a translation to use since I didn't respond last night because I supposedly didn't understand what was said. And that's supposed to prove that I'm not Palestinian and ignorant of the Quran, to boot! Just wondering where this proof is.

[mybackpages 0]

Talking about zionism on mixed public forums is like

I know, but I am surprised that no one tried to flame me or anything because of what I said...

Strange....

Not that I was trolling or anything, it is just a tough subject...

Because we know you are not a troll or have troll like postings

[Fandango 1,439]

Next, you initiate a very insulting "who's more Palestinian than who" game – a game which you subsequently have the nerve to blame me for starting. But it was actually you, with this remark:

I AM Palestinian, as is my family; I'm not just married to one. I don't need a lecture on how it is there or the atrocities that have and do go on or who gets along with whom. Why you think I do is not because of anything I actually said. I'm not interested in a "who's more offended by the Israeli government than who. No one has to agree here, but I would GREATLY appreciate it if emotion doesn't overtake reading comprehension, opening the door for negative assumptions.

When I responded that my husband and all his family ARE born-and-raised Palestinians, and that they agree with what I'd written about their attitudes about Jews and Israel, you became quite upset, and began to accuse me of starting some kind of “ranking” game. You can’t even admit that it was you yourself who started it, in an attempt to dismiss my responses. If it’s such a terrible argument to make, why in the world did you say it in the first place ?

I answered you that being of a certain heritage does not turn you into a person who lives in that country, and I used my own family to make a point. You either didn't get it at all, or consciously chose to be offended about things I never said or even insinuated.

Let me break it down more simply for you: one's heritage (just like one's marriage) does not turn one an "instant expert" in anything. Babies are not born knowing history and politics and culture. They have to learn it. But attaining this knowledge is not dependant on one’s ethnicity -- it's possible for anyone to be come an expert on any subject in the world. One does not need to be a 4th generation American-born Palestinian to have credible or even extensive knowledge of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. And "not" being Palestinian oneself does not preclude one from attaining that knowledge. In fact, many experts on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are not Palestinian (or Israeli) at all.

It's really too bad that everyone seems to have skipped over your excellent post and completely missed the beginning of what prompted all of the current posts regarding nationality.

I am of Italian descent, for example. I would never claim to be an authority on Italian culture or poltics simply because of where my ancestors came from. And neither would I try to discount someone else's well-informed opinion on Italy simply because they were not of Italian descent.

:yes:

[jordanianprincess 0]

Ok after 5 pages of reading this, I'm really suprised this hasn't been locked yet. I'm done.

I think the captain is waiting for the translation...

I don't know why the translation would cause it to be locked. It really isn't anything that wasn't said in English. I understood about 75% of it, and my husband filled in the blanks.

Has anyone found that pesky, elusive translation yet?

It was never directly translated in this thread, although there have been some indirect comments about the content of it. To be quite honest, its not worth translating.

I know that, you know that, but I've been accused of having a translation to use since I didn't respond last night because I supposedly didn't understand what was said. And that's supposed to prove that I'm not Palestinian and ignorant of the Quran, to boot! Just wondering where this proof is.

In addition for those out there that think you can't hold on to your roots if you were not born in the same country your family was, well you are wrong. Arabs hold on to their roots very tightly. My kids, even though they are will not be born in Jordan, will be Jordanian. If you want a more technically correct term, they will be Jordanian-Americans. Jordanian because that is their history, their roots, and their culture. American because they are citizens of the country they are born into. Being born in another country doesn't mean you have no identity.

I was born in Jordan and raised in Ameica, so what does that make me?

[Fandango 1,439]

All this ####### about I am 5th generation whatever is just hot air.... if you were not born there and dont live there then you dont come from there....

Kez

then how did they get here if they didn't come from there?

Who said I was FROM Palestine anyway? My great grandfather and grandfather were. I said I'm Palestinian, and I am. Keep your voluntary immigrant stories out of this. We didn't leave voluntarily, we were pushed out. There's a difference. Think of it as if China finally gave up Tibet so the Dali Lama could go home. Much more like that than Europeans escaping Europe on their own. Lots of you went to Palestine, btw.

You are no more Palestinian than I am Greman.... My Great Grandfather was driven out of Gremany so dont start your ###### on me... you are american of palestinian desent... that is all nothing more...

And as far as I am aware there is nothing stopping you moving to Palestine at this time if you feel so close to that culture.... then you will be an American in Palestine... wont that be fun.

Kez

There was a debate/discussion on this in off topic awhile ago. Many Americans, including myself, want to know where our families originated from. And it is important to us. Just because I was born in America does not mean I should be ignorant of my family's heritage. I am many different nationalities combined, while being a USC born in the US. It seemed in the discussion in off topic that British people seemed to have the most annoyance with us Americans who like to say what nationalities we are. Well that's just how some of us are, and you can't tell us we aren't allowed to say, for instance..I'm Italian, Czech, Ukranian, Scottish, English, etc yes I am a lot of things. lol.

My future children will be half Indian. Just because they are going to be born in the US are they supposed to pretend they aren't Indian since they weren't born there? No. So you can argue your side as much as you want, many of us Americans will not ignore our ancestry. America is a newer country, we all came from somewhere (unless you are 100% native american) and it's important to know where.

ETA: Of course I am no expert of any of the nationalities that I am, because it's all so mixed and some info is lost to the past.

I agree as far as the children of immigrants. When D comes here, our kids will be part English. They will be able to qualify for a British passport if done so before a certain age. But we are not talking about first gen Americans here.

And no one's saying that you should deny your heritage...but it's heritage, and one must keep that in mind. As a 3rd gen American, I can categorically say that if USA and Italy went to war and each had a draft...the US would draft me, not Italy.

It's always special to keep to your roots and practice tradition and whatnot, but that doesn't mean one should deny their actual nationality by saying 'I AM AMERICAN'

But WOM made a perfect point....nationality has nothing to do with an opinion. It's not more valid cos your forefathers were born a certain place.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I agree as far as the children of immigrants. When D comes here, our kids will be part English. They will be able to qualify for a British passport if done so before a certain age. But we are not talking about first gen Americans here.

And no one's saying that you should deny your heritage...but it's heritage, and one must keep that in mind. As a 3rd gen American, I can categorically say that if USA and Italy went to war and each had a draft...the US would draft me, not Italy.

It's always special to keep to your roots and practice tradition and whatnot, but that doesn't mean one should deny their actual nationality by saying 'I AM AMERICAN'

But WOM made a perfect point....nationality has nothing to do with an opinion. It's not more valid cos your forefathers were born a certain place.

Lisa, the only person for whom you can decide that they leave their heritage at the door is you.

As far as WOM goes, she was trying to make the point that her HUSBAND'S nationality validated her opinion. That contradicts what you said was her point.

Now, perhaps you have your finger on the pulse of what the English or Italians wish to do when they immigrate here, but your family came voluntarily, mine did not. When we get the chance, and insha'allah, that day will come, I will appear with my great-grandfather's property deed to claim what is rightfully ours. If you have nothing you want in Italy, that is your situation. I am Palestinian, JP is Jordanian. That is as much of a part of our identity as WE choose for it to be, not you and those who feel as you do. That is fine for YOU.

[jordanianprincess 0]

I agree as far as the children of immigrants. When D comes here, our kids will be part English. They will be able to qualify for a British passport if done so before a certain age. But we are not talking about first gen Americans here.

And no one's saying that you should deny your heritage...but it's heritage, and one must keep that in mind. As a 3rd gen American, I can categorically say that if USA and Italy went to war and each had a draft...the US would draft me, not Italy.

It's always special to keep to your roots and practice tradition and whatnot, but that doesn't mean one should deny their actual nationality by saying 'I AM AMERICAN'

But WOM made a perfect point....nationality has nothing to do with an opinion. It's not more valid cos your forefathers were born a certain place.

Lisa, the only person for whom you can decide that they leave their heritage at the door is you.

As far as WOM goes, she was trying to make the point that her HUSBAND'S nationality validated her opinion. That contradicts what you said was her point.

Now, perhaps you have your finger on the pulse of what the English or Italians wish to do when they immigrate here, but your family came voluntarily, mine did not. When we get the chance, and insha'allah, that day will come, I will appear with my great-grandfather's property deed to claim what is rightfully ours. If you have nothing you want in Italy, that is your situation. I am Palestinian, JP is Jordanian. That is as much of a part of our identity as WE choose for it to be, not you and those who feel as you do. That is fine for YOU.

Might I add, there are soooooooo many Palestinians that were not born in Palestine. Most of them consider themselves to be Palestinians. Most of the Palestinians I know were not born in Palestine, many many generations of them born in Jordan. They do not consider themselves Jordanians. Palestinian people are proud and hold on to their identity because that is all most of them have left. For someone to say otherwise is an insult.

[mybackpages 0]

So much bravado here spent on emotional defense of oneself - it's not pretty, its not productive and it's really kind of sad.

[Reynaldo 0]

So much bravado here spent on emotional defense of oneself - it's not pretty, its not productive and it's really kind of sad.

WOM will be back soon...

So, this is only in the beginning

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Might I add, there are soooooooo many Palestinians that were not born in Palestine. Most of them consider themselves to be Palestinians. Most of the Palestinians I know were not born in Palestine, many many generations of them born in Jordan. They do not consider themselves Jordanians. Palestinian people are proud and hold on to their identity because that is all most of them have left. For someone to say otherwise is an insult.

For someone to say otherwise is an insult. You can say that again, and for a Palestinian to do that to another Palestinian, well, it's just not done. But it was done, and that's a first for me!