Brining my Mom to the USA

[akdiver 3]

Well that was exactly my point to John. It's pretty hard to pass judgement on someone who came into the country illegally without knowing the story behind it. . .

No it isn't. It is atonishingly easy. You come in illegally, without any regard for our laws, and you want sympathy for whatever situation you may have? Give me a break - and get the ###### out of my country. I don't care WHAT your story is.

Cheers!

AKDiver

[bruc 0]

You know - you could always just go visit HER and avoid the U.S. visa process entirely.

Cheers!

AKDiver

I visited her in September of last year and I'm going to have a baby so I need her here with me for the first months now!!

Hi Annabelle and CONGRATULATIONS on you having a new baby. I understand your thoughts on wanting your mom here for the birth of her new grand baby and her being with you for a few weeks aftwards.

You're many miles from your home and mother. I heard recently from a Russian wife friend of mine, that just had a new little girl, make the comment that if only my mum could have been here when my baby was born and to help me for a few weeks because she could understand some feelings I have that my hubby, inlaws and friends here don't understand.

Good Luck on getting a visa for your mom...I'm sure she's very excited for you...everyone on this forum should be excited for you !

Bruc

[mrsushi66 0]

I have been thinking about this also. I think our approach (Mine and Anna) will be to purchase a summer home near where her parents have one. Maybe if they see we (Anna) own property near where her parents spend the summer they will be more likely to see we have no intention of bringing her parents to the USA.

I dont know the answer to these situations since I have not gotten that far yet but I have thought about them quite a bit since Anna is as close to her family as I am to mine. I hope once I can speak the language a bit better I can become a bit closer to her parents.

Of course this does not help your immediate situation but thought I would offer a bit of advice for others interested in this. I dont know if it is a good idea or not but it is what we are going to try.

Paul

Edited February 12, 2007 by mrsushi66

[Satellite 1]

I have been thinking about this also. I think our approach (Mine and Anna) will be to purchase a summer home near where her parents have one. Maybe if they see we (Anna) own property near where her parents spend the summer they will be more likely to see we have no intention of bringing her parents to the USA.

Your assets and title to property is completely irrevelant to the foreignor trying to overcome the presumption of immigrant intent. Instead you should change the focus to the alien applying for the visa. They have to show that they have something to return to. It's your home not theirs. If you bought them a lot of property and found them high paying jobs then it will be a stronger case of them having something to return to.

Your assets can only help show that your inlaws will not become public charges while in the US, but this is double edged sword, because if your inlaws can become public charges without your assistance then they probably have nothing worth returhing to Russia for.

[Boiler 45,525]

I have been thinking about this also. I think our approach (Mine and Anna) will be to purchase a summer home near where her parents have one. Maybe if they see we (Anna) own property near where her parents spend the summer they will be more likely to see we have no intention of bringing her parents to the USA.

Your assets and title to property is completely irrevelant to the foreignor trying to overcome the presumption of immigrant intent. Instead you should change the focus to the alien applying for the visa. They have to show that they have something to return to. It's your home not theirs. If you bought them a lot of property and found them high paying jobs then it will be a stronger case of them having something to return to.

Your assets can only help show that your inlaws will not become public charges while in the US, but this is double edged sword, because if your inlaws can become public charges without your assistance then they probably have nothing worth returhing to Russia for.

Just ditto that, by all means buy the property if you want to/think it is a good investment. I know from UK TV programmes a lot of people are looking further afield for holiday homes, including Eastern Europe.

But doing it because you think it would help them obtain visitors visa's makes no sense to me, would actually make me suspicious of their true motives.

[kitkat1 5]

Well that was exactly my point to John. It's pretty hard to pass judgement on someone who came into the country illegally without knowing the story behind it. . .

No it isn't. It is atonishingly easy. You come in illegally, without any regard for our laws, and you want sympathy for whatever situation you may have? Give me a break - and get the ###### out of my country. I don't care WHAT your story is.

Cheers!

AKDiver

WOW. So if a child was brought into the country illegally by his parents at the age of three, for example, and had no option or choice, it makes no difference to you? I never said anyone should have sympathy, just that knowing the story behind it might make some difference when it comes to your reaction to it.

[akdiver 3]

WOW. So if a child was brought into the country illegally by his parents at the age of three, for example, and had no option or choice, it makes no difference to you? I never said anyone should have sympathy, just that knowing the story behind it might make some difference when it comes to your reaction to it.

None at all. The child is here illegally and should return to the country of origin at the earliest possibility. Not doing so upon turning 18 and being legally responsible for one's own decisions is in fact a choice by this child to break the law and should be punished accordingly.

In no case should such a child gain some advantage over legal immigrants via the act of coming here illegally, even if such an act originates with the child's parents.

And no, I don't think children born here of illegal immigrants should automatically be granted citizenship - and neither do the governments of many countries.

Cheers!

AKDiver

[kitkat1 5]

None at all. The child is here illegally and should return to the country of origin at the earliest possibility. Not doing so upon turning 18 and being legally responsible for one's own decisions is in fact a choice by this child to break the law and should be punished accordingly.

In no case should such a child gain some advantage over legal immigrants via the act of coming here illegally, even if such an act originates with the child's parents.

And no, I don't think children born here of illegal immigrants should automatically be granted citizenship - and neither do the governments of many countries.

Cheers!

AKDiver

So a child who was brought here at age three (when they had no say in the matter), does not know the language of their native country, has no experience living there, has no family there or place to live there, should simply be returned to the country where they were born? I'm not talking about at age 18 but even then, it's not always a realistic scenario.

Since the US government does not hold hold a child responsible for illegal presence prior to the age of 18, it's hard for me to understand why it matters so much to you. Doesn't the fact that the US government gives citizenship to children born in this country mean anything to you?

I'm not suggesting that a child in this situation should have an advantage over legal immigrants and I'm not looking for a fight. But as an ESL teacher I have had personal experience with children in exactly this situation and I certainly feel for their predicament. It's hard for me to understand people who don't.

[Boiler 45,525]

None at all. The child is here illegally and should return to the country of origin at the earliest possibility. Not doing so upon turning 18 and being legally responsible for one's own decisions is in fact a choice by this child to break the law and should be punished accordingly.

In no case should such a child gain some advantage over legal immigrants via the act of coming here illegally, even if such an act originates with the child's parents.

And no, I don't think children born here of illegal immigrants should automatically be granted citizenship - and neither do the governments of many countries.

Cheers!

AKDiver

So a child who was brought here at age three (when they had no say in the matter), does not know the language of their native country, has no experience living there, has no family there or place to live there, should simply be returned to the country where they were born? I'm not talking about at age 18 but even then, it's not always a realistic scenario.

Since the US government does not hold hold a child responsible for illegal presence prior to the age of 18, it's hard for me to understand why it matters so much to you. .Doesn't the fact that the US government gives citizenship to children born in this country mean anything to you?

I'm not suggesting that a child in this situation should have an advantage over legal immigrants and I'm not looking for a fight. But as an ESL teacher I have had personal experience with children in exactly this situation and I certainly feel for their predicament. It's hard for me to understand people who don't.

Such a child would be deported if the child came to the attention of the Immigration authorities, so it's not a question of age, just luck.

We as a family incur significant costs, financial and otherwise, in ensuring the children go to a school where English is not the Second Language, so it hits many people in less than obvious ways

[kitkat1 5]

So a child who was brought here at age three (when they had no say in the matter), does not know the language of their native country, has no experience living there, has no family there or place to live there, should simply be returned to the country where they were born? I'm not talking about at age 18 but even then, it's not always a realistic scenario.

Since the US government does not hold hold a child responsible for illegal presence prior to the age of 18, it's hard for me to understand why it matters so much to you. Doesn't the fact that the US government gives citizenship to children born in this country mean anything to you?

I'm not suggesting that a child in this situation should have an advantage over legal immigrants and I'm not looking for a fight. But as an ESL teacher I have had personal experience with children in exactly this situation and I certainly feel for their predicament. It's hard for me to understand people who don't.

Such a child would be deported if the child came to the attention of the Immigration authorities, so it's not a question of age, just luck.

We as a family incur significant costs, financial and otherwise, in ensuring the children go to a school where English is not the Second Language, so it hits many people in less than obvious ways

I get that - all I'm saying is at some point I'd think people might have a little more understanding or perhaps even a little compassion for a child in that situation. (BTW - I don't teach in a public school - I am paid directly by families or employers - not through tax dollars).

[akdiver 3]

So a child who was brought here at age three (when they had no say in the matter), does not know the language of their native country, has no experience living there, has no family there or place to live there, should simply be returned to the country where they were born?

Absolutely - preferably at the expense of the country where said child originated.

the US government does not hold hold a child responsible for illegal presence prior to the age of 18

One of many faults of this government.

Doesn't the fact that the US government gives citizenship to children born in this country mean anything to you?

Absolutely it does. It means that too many people are getting citizenship for free when they shouldn't, and it creates a reward/incentive for people to come here illegally, have a child who gets automatic citizenship, and then petition to stay in spite of the fact that they broke the law because deporting the parents while leaving the child is somehow wrong. In my book, child would never gain citizenship automatically and all members of this little family would be deported with a permanent bar on re-entry.

For that matter, I think citizenship should only be obtainable via satisfactory service in the armed services. Maybe then it would mean something to those who have it.

But as an ESL teacher I have had personal experience with children in exactly this situation and I certainly feel for their predicament. It's hard for me to understand people who don't.

It's hard for me to understand those who do. I am SO TIRED of hearing the argument of "but think of the children" for every issue under the sun. So, what? When you turn 18 and are no longer a child you're automatically scum of the Earth? Hell, it's only then when you start paying taxes and become a useful member of society!! I say, "but think of the adults!!!"

Cheers!

AKDiver

[mrsushi66 0]

I have been thinking about this also. I think our approach (Mine and Anna) will be to purchase a summer home near where her parents have one. Maybe if they see we (Anna) own property near where her parents spend the summer they will be more likely to see we have no intention of bringing her parents to the USA.

Your assets and title to property is completely irrevelant to the foreignor trying to overcome the presumption of immigrant intent. Instead you should change the focus to the alien applying for the visa. They have to show that they have something to return to. It's your home not theirs. If you bought them a lot of property and found them high paying jobs then it will be a stronger case of them having something to return to.

Your assets can only help show that your inlaws will not become public charges while in the US, but this is double edged sword, because if your inlaws can become public charges without your assistance then they probably have nothing worth returhing to Russia for.

Actually I think you misunderstood my thoughts. If Anna and I were to have a summer place next to her parent's country home in Saratov it might show stronger ties of the entire family to where Anna's parents live. In other words why would we buy a place if we had intentions of the parents coming to the US.

[Boiler 45,525]

I have been thinking about this also. I think our approach (Mine and Anna) will be to purchase a summer home near where her parents have one. Maybe if they see we (Anna) own property near where her parents spend the summer they will be more likely to see we have no intention of bringing her parents to the USA.

Your assets and title to property is completely irrevelant to the foreignor trying to overcome the presumption of immigrant intent. Instead you should change the focus to the alien applying for the visa. They have to show that they have something to return to. It's your home not theirs. If you bought them a lot of property and found them high paying jobs then it will be a stronger case of them having something to return to.

Your assets can only help show that your inlaws will not become public charges while in the US, but this is double edged sword, because if your inlaws can become public charges without your assistance then they probably have nothing worth returhing to Russia for.

Actually I think you misunderstood my thoughts. If Anna and I were to have a summer place next to her parent's country home in Saratov it might show stronger ties of the entire family to where Anna's parents live. In other words why would we buy a place if we had intentions of the parents coming to the US.

Do not think so.

Neither of you are applying for a Visitors Visa.

[slim 1,525]

The reason I come to the Russia forum is to get Russia specific questions/answers, etc. and other stuff, like this, but not like this.

When there's a debate about the morality of deporting children illegally in the U.S., it needs to be in the OFF TOPIC or AOS or ILLEGAL DEPORTATIONS or whatever forum.

Those of you on here that "click on the recently updated posts" and happen to venture into the Russia Forum, by all means you are welcome here, but if you're going to enter into a debate (especially one with AKDiver... he's not going to lose! Trust me.) please take it to the other forums where debates, popcorn, trolls, and the like thrive.

That said, I'll jump right in and put down my oppinions, cause that's why we're on here.

About buying the summer home near the grandparents.... will not help in the least. If it's their home, maybe. But if it's yours, will not help their chances at a visa.

About the kids.....

I believe they should be dealt with in the same manner as the rest of the family. Parents here illegally, send the kids back too. Parents here, 1 legally, 1 illegally, or another crazy situation, kids should be included as part of a case-by-case decision. (And since there's really not a whole lot of time for that.... they'll probably be aloud to stay here during which time they can apply through legal means.)

The whole illegal immigrants debate to me is a waste of time anyway. There's a big stink in the media about illegals, when what they should be saying is "illegal Mexicans". Since they don't have the cojones to do this, they're wrongfully cracking down on all illegals, including kids that are here with their illegal parents.

It's kind of like cracking down on all Americans so that 19 don't hijack more aircraft.

[kitkat1 5]

what they should be saying is "illegal Mexicans".

Slim, I appreciate your desire to separate posts into different forums but you can't control that.

I find your comment that they should be saying "illegal Mexicans" incredibly offensive when there are illegals in this country from all over the world.