Black preschoolers more likely to face suspension

[Danno 1,228]

I'll try to explain this without hurting you, but I know you won't understand it. There are other people in the US living here, not just white people. What they're trying to do is make thing accessible to all races, since you know about 40 years ago, you couldn't apply based on the color of your skin.

Isn't it dishonest to say we are promoting or hiring people due to diversity when you can not name examples of what it adds?

If you believe people need to be advanced for inequality their grand father faced, just say so. then we could argue that point which actually has some sliver or reason behind it.

If you and I grew up next to each other and had similar families and interests….. what is it exactly you will add to the campus that allows you to bump out some white kid from Montana,,, who might actually add some real diversity to a Virginia school?

It is about race and race alone and you know it.

At one time, it made sense, that time has passed.

[Danno 1,228]

Hmmm... Let me think on that. My parents split when I was two because of the INstability caused by my father's chosen profession. There were many moves and many issues of being unable to contact him in emergencies due to the nature of his job. Because my mother left my father, I was raised in the same school system and got to go to school in the same place for my entire school career.

My mother got together with a man when I was a small child who we lived with, common law, and who fathered my sister, who was raised in that same household. Unfortunately, despite their best efforts to give us stability and my stepfather's job, my mother became ill. I ended up raising my siblings.

We had a family structure. We had a stable place to live. My sister, at least, had the two people who created her living with her.

I'm undereducated because I had to keep going home. My brother is probably going to jail. My sister is unable to decide what she wants to do with her life.

These things, biological parents and stability, do not guarantee superior outcome.

I know several people who were adopted and thus not raised by their birth parents, who have achieved far greater than I. I also know people who were raised all over the world who have achieved great things.

The difference between my family and theirs? The support structures their families had in place compared to mine.

It's not about the biology of the parents. It's not about the stability of the parent(s) raising the children.

It's about how society supports the family. It takes a village to raise a child and the artificial ideal of the nuclear family (mom, dad, kids, living in one house, away from extended family) has done more damage to the ability to raise children than any other thing. We're apes. Apes are social beings who have extended families, who raise children together as groups. By putting forth the idea that multiple generations under one roof is a sign of failure, we have done so much damage to the family unit that I don't think there's any possibility of short term recovery. It will take generations to fix this.

When society supports the upbringing of children, children have greater success than just having two parents. There used to be a time when kids played in the streets and the entire neighbourhood looked out for them, when grandparents lived with the family and helped with the little ones. There was a time when a single income could support a family of four. Those times are long past and we are reaping what was sown in the post world war two economic boom.

You threw more out there than I can cover in one response but I appreciate your family situation and your sincere comments.

What I would ask you to do is look at what models have the greatest success rates…. and failure rates.

For instance, you promote more Gov't involvement yet we see those situations which enjoy the most gov;t involvement are in the worst shape and those with the least involvement with Gov't tend to have the highest predictable success in the health and well being of children.

Not sure where you have the notion that the extended family is not valued by me, I see nothing wrong and everything right with grand parents and others involved even living together, this adds to the secure sense of self that a child needs to develop.

With very few exceptions human are organized by the nuclear family structure,,,, when something is so universal that it was found everywhere you have to conclude it is more than a artificial construct.

Adoptees: Adopted children do not do quite as well as children raised by their bio parents, except in one category.

But they do remarkably better than single head of house hold.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Isn't it dishonest to say we are promoting or hiring people due to diversity when you can not name examples of what it adds?

If you believe people need to be advanced for inequality their grand father faced, just say so. then we could argue that point which actually has some sliver or reason behind it.

If you and I grew up next to each other and had similar families and interests….. what is it exactly you will add to the campus that allows you to bump out some white kid from Montana,,, who might actually add some real diversity to a Virginia school?

It is about race and race alone and you know it.

At one time, it made sense, that time has passed.

How about a different perspective? Or some new experience?

Your problem is you think people of color are inferior, This is why you can't wrap your head around it.

[sara..... 371]

Adoptees: Adopted children do not do quite as well as children raised by their bio parents, except in one category.

But they do remarkably better than single head of house hold.........what?????????????????

my parents have three bio children and five adopted children me being one of the adopted children.........

I am Hispanic.......two of my sisters are full black......one Heinz 57 (including black)brother and one sister Hispanic and black.......

everyone of us are educated.........I hold a BA for computer science...working on being a Veterinary found i like animals more than people

brother is in university studying to be an engineer

One of my black sisters will enter med school this fall......other two are still in high school

all of us have held better than 3.5 gpa

none of us have ever been in trouble

your facts are screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the five of us have done better than their bio children

sara

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Another thread of nothing but bickering

MY VJ experience was ruined this morning.

Danno Marvin

All you two is bicker thread to thread

I insist you two ignore each other immediately

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[Danno 1,228]

How about a different perspective? Or some new experience?

Your problem is you think people of color are inferior, This is why you can't wrap your head around it.

I agree each of us adds a different perspective but what is so predictable about Blacks that skin color alone will promise some unique perspective?

We have been told for half a century that skin color is meaningless, to reject a person in dating or employment based on color is stupid, then that logic is turned on it's head by using color to determine what someone will add to an environment.

The phrase "typical black person" comes to mind when color is the means used to predict behavior, personality experience.

I think the time effort and money spent on these race-based diversity efforts would be better spent insuring no one was cheated out of their opportunities based on race.

And another thing, how come Blacks can never benefit from outside diversity? How many Historically Black colleges have an outreach for white traditional, conservative views in their faculty and student body?

This is why I have concluded DIVERSITY really means only one thing….. LESS WHITE PEOPLE.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I agree each of us adds a different perspective but what is so predictable about Blacks that skin color alone will promise some unique perspective?

We have been told for half a century that skin color is meaningless, to reject a person in dating or employment based on color is stupid, then that logic is turned on it's head by using color to determine what someone will add to an environment.

The phrase "typical black person" comes to mind when color is the means used to predict behavior, personality experience.

I think the time effort and money spent on these race-based diversity efforts would be better spent insuring no one was cheated out of their opportunities based on race.

And another thing, how come Blacks can never benefit from outside diversity? How many Historically Black colleges have an outreach for white traditional, conservative views in their faculty and student body?

This is why I have concluded DIVERSITY really means only one thing….. LESS WHITE PEOPLE.

And that scares you. We know.

[Danno 1,228]

And that scares you. We know.

Apparently not nearly as much as a color blind society scares you.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Apparently not nearly as much as a color blind society scares you.

Are you saying you're color blind? You talk about color more than anyone here, even more than me.

[Peikko 1,575]

I agree each of us adds a different perspective but what is so predictable about Blacks that skin color alone will promise some unique perspective?

We have been told for half a century that skin color is meaningless, to reject a person in dating or employment based on color is stupid, then that logic is turned on it's head by using color to determine what someone will add to an environment.

The phrase "typical black person" comes to mind when color is the means used to predict behavior, personality experience.

I think the time effort and money spent on these race-based diversity efforts would be better spent insuring no one was cheated out of their opportunities based on race.

And another thing, how come Blacks can never benefit from outside diversity? How many Historically Black colleges have an outreach for white traditional, conservative views in their faculty and student body?

This is why I have concluded DIVERSITY really means only one thing….. LESS WHITE PEOPLE.

More conclusions based on ignorance. If you think the playing field is level already then nothing can be said to you that will make you understand that it quite patently is not. The point about positive discrimination is not to include people who shouldn't be included, but to include people who should be included but who are excluded due to prejudice. It's to ensure due consideration is paid to those people rather than being tossed aside at first glance. The prejudice exists, you exude prejudice because you refuse to acknowledge basic facts about the historical root causes of inequality and how they continue to influence the thoughts and actions of Americans.

You then go on to stigmatize and castigate groups of people based on your misunderstanding of the facts, hence your constant efforts to blame social ills on a lack of a father figure in family life. You never look at all people pertaining to a specific social ill, you look at the black segment and extrapolate theories from data that if applied to all groups would reveal that your assertions are just wrong. Being a single parent has its issues, but being a single parent does not guarantee that the child will be a social outcast. Anyone with a bit of sense would therefore realise that there are specific issues that are a subset of being a single parent that can cause children to experience deprivation that can lead to poor outcomes, not some moral lassitude on the part of those who are single parents or the lack of a 'father figure' in the lives of those children.

[Peikko 1,575]

I don't give a hoot about the % of white people btw. I have no vested interest in there always being white people, black people, brown people, or any other skin color. It is entirely irrelevant and once again highlights your color prejudice more than any other statement you made. Good job Danno.

[Danno 1,228]

More conclusions based on ignorance. If you think the playing field is level already then nothing can be said to you that will make you understand that it quite patently is not. The point about positive discrimination is not to include people who shouldn't be included, but to include people who should be included but who are excluded due to prejudice. It's to ensure due consideration is paid to those people rather than being tossed aside at first glance. The prejudice exists, you exude prejudice because you refuse to acknowledge basic facts about the historical root causes of inequality and how they continue to influence the thoughts and actions of Americans.

You then go on to stigmatize and castigate groups of people based on your misunderstanding of the facts, hence your constant efforts to blame social ills on a lack of a father figure in family life. You never look at all people pertaining to a specific social ill, you look at the black segment and extrapolate theories from data that if applied to all groups would reveal that your assertions are just wrong. Being a single parent has its issues, but being a single parent does not guarantee that the child will be a social outcast. Anyone with a bit of sense would therefore realise that there are specific issues that are a subset of being a single parent that can cause children to experience deprivation that can lead to poor outcomes, not some moral lassitude on the part of those who are single parents or the lack of a 'father figure' in the lives of those children.

Thumbs up for admitting this has noting to do with adding diversity and everything with pushing the right color past the wrong color to insure blacks can qualify.

I maintain it is always wrong to reward those who were not harmed by taking from those who did no wrong….. which is what you have today (under the guise of DIVERSITY)

I challenged you to name one area where kids if single mothers do as well and you declined to name one category…. that says more about your confidence in your POV than anything I can say.

The effect of children raised by single head of house hold are more acute in the Black community because the rates are about 3x that of Whites and therefore make up whole communities but make no mistake, this is not about race but rather numbers.

Sure many children of single mothers go on to a productive life…. (many smokers have no ill effects too) but we must speculate how much more could these kids have thrived in a more adventagious environment?

[Peikko 1,575]

Thumbs up for admitting this has noting to do with adding diversity and everything with pushing the right color past the wrong color to insure blacks can qualify.

I maintain it is always wrong to reward those who were not harmed by taking from those who did no wrong….. which is what you have today (under the guise of DIVERSITY)

I challenged you to name one area where kids if single mothers do as well and you declined to name one category…. that says more about your confidence in your POV than anything I can say.

The effect of children raised by single head of house hold are more acute in the Black community because the rates are about 3x that of Whites and therefore make up whole communities but make no mistake, this is not about race but rather numbers.

Sure many children of single mothers go on to a productive life…. (many smokers have no ill effects too) but we must speculate how much more could these kids have thrived in a more adventagious environment?

No one is PUSHING the RIGHT COLOR past other people to ensure blacks qualify. That's a blatantly false statement. What is being done is ENSURING that prejudice does not preclude anyone from being considered objectively. You continue to make false statements to justify the unjustifiable. Your prejudice is palpable.

I don't engage in the 'single mothers' are the problem for the reasons I have already stated. Single motherhood is not the cause, single mothers are not morally lax, having a father figure does not guarantee moral good standing for children. This is a disingenuous and somewhat stupid notion that only has traction among the lazy right wing who are looking for people to blame. I have nothing further to say on the subject, it's closed as you have nothing reasonable to contribute.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Thumbs up for admitting this has noting to do with adding diversity and everything with pushing the right color past the wrong color to insure blacks can qualify.

I maintain it is always wrong to reward those who were not harmed by taking from those who did no wrong….. which is what you have today (under the guise of DIVERSITY)

I challenged you to name one area where kids if single mothers do as well and you declined to name one category…. that says more about your confidence in your POV than anything I can say.

The effect of children raised by single head of house hold are more acute in the Black community because the rates are about 3x that of Whites and therefore make up whole communities but make no mistake, this is not about race but rather numbers.

Sure many children of single mothers go on to a productive life…. (many smokers have no ill effects too) but we must speculate how much more could these kids have thrived in a more adventagious environment?

Actually Sara responded to this assertment earlier, yet oddly you didn't respond. Did you miss it? Let me copy and paste for you:

Adoptees: Adopted children do not do quite as well as children raised by their bio parents, except in one category.

But they do remarkably better than single head of house hold.........what?????????????????

my parents have three bio children and five adopted children me being one of the adopted children.........

I am Hispanic.......two of my sisters are full black......one Heinz 57 (including black)brother and one sister Hispanic and black.......

everyone of us are educated.........I hold a BA for computer science...working on being a Veterinary found i like animals more than people

brother is in university studying to be an engineer

One of my black sisters will enter med school this fall......other two are still in high school

all of us have held better than 3.5 gpa

none of us have ever been in trouble

your facts are screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the five of us have done better than their bio children

[Danno 1,228]

Adoptees: Adopted children do not do quite as well as children raised by their bio parents, except in one category.

But they do remarkably better than single head of house hold.........what?????????????????

my parents have three bio children and five adopted children me being one of the adopted children.........

I am Hispanic.......two of my sisters are full black......one Heinz 57 (including black)brother and one sister Hispanic and black.......

everyone of us are educated.........I hold a BA for computer science...working on being a Veterinary found i like animals more than people

brother is in university studying to be an engineer

One of my black sisters will enter med school this fall......other two are still in high school

all of us have held better than 3.5 gpa

none of us have ever been in trouble

your facts are screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the five of us have done better than their bio children

sara

Sorry for missing your post.

If I recall correct I think the one area Adopted kids do better than bio kids (on average) was either income or education attainment which kind of go hand and hand.

I applaud the success of your family, for the life of me I don't know why we can't do more to make this option available for more families by at least, making it affordable.

Your personal experience is interesting but does not speak to "averages."

I hope I was not misunderstood, Adopted children do pretty good, and even do better than the bio-family in the category mentioned above. (on average)

Not sure why some are having a hard time understanding statistical averages.

There is no guarantee that any method or model will work (or fail) in every case. Though I never implied that, suggesting I did seems the only point to argue some have.

In the same way we would notice that teens having babies tend to greatly impact their education and future, so that same logic (when backed by research) can tell us what environments children "tend" develop best. The differences are dramatic in some cases, not so much in others.

We have had decades of such research to confirm this, accepted both by the Left and right.