Another Sign ObamaCare Works: Wellpoint Boosts Profit Forecast

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If it is the law, and if Congress makes the law, why does the President continue to make changes to the law in spite of Congress?

And yet, when Congress tries to change the law, they are derided by those who say they can't, because "It's the law."

All laws are dynamic not static.

I am aware of several of the changes that were made but there are, according to this site, 37 different changes made by the Obama administration, Congress, & Supreme Court. So it's a bit disingenuous of you to just say the President has made changes. 20-15-2 respectively.

This article is actually not a favorable one to the ACA, but it does list the changes.

http://www.galen.org/newsletters/changes-to-obamacare-so-far/

Looking through the list the changes have been made to accommodate and adapt to what the base purpose is: to provide affordable healthcare to the American public. Some changes I agree with, some I don't. But I for one am a proponent of a non for profit healthcare system. I am not a socialist, far from it, but based on what I have read I am in favor of a government run tax funded healthcare system similar to what we see in Scandinavia, Singapore, and some Western European nations. Now the problem is those systems may *not* work in our country for a number of reasons but I am in favor of using them as a base and modify to fit within our economy.

How many times have other successful laws and programs been modified. Look at the history of Medicare! It can be argued that Medicare is one of the most successful government programs and it has evolved. Hmmm Same with the GI Bill it's not the same as it was. So what are you arguing? Are you arguing against Obamacare because it's not the magic fix all elixir? Or could it be that you don't like Obama in the first place so therefore anything he does you will poke holes. For me having changes just proves his commitment to make the program be as successful as it can. I also wonder how many of these changes would be needed if Republicans got on board and worked with the President as he has requested from day 1 instead of trying to repeal it 40+ times.

29. No Medicaid for well-to-do seniors: Congress saved taxpayers $13 billion by changing how the eligibility for certain programs is calculated under Obamacare. Without the change, a couple earning as much as much as $64,000 would still have been able to qualify for Medicaid. (November 21, 2011)

Drug-price clarification: Congress modified the definition of average manufacturer price (AMP) to include inhalation, infusion, implanted, or injectable drugs that are not generally dispensed through a retail pharmacy. (August 10, 2010)

6. Small businesses on hold: The administration has said that the federal exchanges for small businesses will not be ready by the 2014 statutory deadline, and instead delayed until 2015 the provision of SHOP (Small-Employer Health Option Program) that requires the exchanges to offer a choice of qualified health plans. (March 11, 2013)

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0-care was never meant to work---it was a back-door scam all along to force-feed a single payer health-care system on the American people. In truth and practice, single payer health care systems don't work as advertised. Most everyone agrees that pre-existing conditions should not exclude you from health-care; nor should a family have to fear bankruptcy in time of medical need.

Here's what happens in the Canadian and European models:

● Canada uses the United States as a safety valve for its overtaxed health care system,

with provincial governments and patients spending a combined total of more than $1

billion a year on U.S. medical care.

● Many Canadian provinces now send cancer patients to the United States for radiation

therapy.

● To reduce its waiting lists, the British National Health Service (NHS) recently

announced the decision to treat some NHS patients in private hospitals, reversing a

longstanding policy of only using public (NHS) hospitals.

● Over 7 million people in Britain now have private health insurance, and since the

Labor government’s first year in office, the number of patients paying out-of-pocket

for medical treatment has increased 40 percent to 160,000 annually.

● Australia has turned to the private sector to reform its public health care system to

such an extent that it is now second only to the United States among industrialized

nations in the share of health care spending that is private.

● Since 1993, the German government has been experimenting with American-style

managed competition by giving Germans the right to choose among the country’s

competing sickness funds (insurers).

● The Netherlands also has American-style managed competition, with an extensive

network of private health care providers and slightly more than one-third of the

population insured privately.

● Sweden is introducing reforms that will allow private providers to deliver more than

40 percent of all health care services and about 80 percent of primary care in

Stockholm.

http://www.coalitionoftheobvious.com/singlepayer.pdf

Edited March 23, 2014 by ExExpat

[Pooky 3,840]

0-care was never meant to work---it was a back-door scam all along to force-feed a single payer health-care system on the American people. In truth and practice, single payer health care systems don't work as advertised. Most everyone agrees that pre-existing conditions should not exclude you from health-care; nor should a family have to fear bankruptcy in time of medical need.

Here's what happens in the Canadian and European models:

Just how old is that report?

Because the UK hasn't had a Labour government since 2010.

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Just how old is that report?

Because the UK hasn't had a Labour government since 2010.

So, if the ink isn't wet makes it less valid?

[Pooky 3,840]

So, if the ink isn't wet makes it less valid?

Having experienced both, I'd take the NHS system, with single payer primary level care, with the option for individuals to purchase private insurance over and above this, every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Insurance companies, with their 20% drain of money from the healthcare aspect of the system! have no place in the primary provision of healthcare. This country pays 17% of GDP on healthcare, which is far in excess of the majority of developed nations and represents an irresponsible level of inefficiency built into the system. Instead of "baking in" the insurance companies, as the PPACA has done, real reform would eliminate this drain on the primary level of the system.

[luckytxn 2,265]

No it was meant to be exactly what it turned out to be. A huge forced commerce. The money that flowed to the Socialists while this legislation was being debated and hammered out was a classic case of a law being bought and paid for by an industry. So of course the law is going to enrich that industry and give them huge profits because it was designed to do so.

They had a iron clad majority and coud have had singe payer but Obama was so weak and inept that he allowed this abortion of a law to happen. Now going single payer is almost impossible as this becomes almost entrenched into our lives. The mid terms are coming and the Socialists are going to lose big and the RINO's will of course make some noise about changes and as usual make it worse as they try to make the changes that will mean the flow of money will now flow to their coffers.

I knew when it passes that my premiums would sky rocket and am actually glad it has gone up only 100% as I expected worse by now. Of course I knew that this talk of premiums will have to rise again would happen. At least we have some that are happy that citizens are getting soaked. Keep laughing Obama fans.

0-care was never meant to work---it was a back-door scam all along to force-feed a single payer health-care system on the American people. In truth and practice, single payer health care systems don't work as advertised. Most everyone agrees that pre-existing conditions should not exclude you from health-care; nor should a family have to fear bankruptcy in time of medical need.

Here's what happens in the Canadian and European models: