Totally turned around sleep wise!

[diadromous mermaid 36]

LisaD,

Those weren't the priorities I was addressing. But so that you don't have to read between my lines, as I evidently was for yours, I'll clarify. I interpretted yours to mean that you wouldn't appreciate sleeping in an empty bed if for some reason your SO couldn't sleep.

P. S. If you aren't interested in furthering this discussion, I won't either,. But then perhaps removing this comment would be a good idea....

But just so there's no confusion....D comes before internet!

Somehow, as I read it, I think you are implying more than you claim you are.

No I will not remove that comment. D comes before the internet. Again, I'm not IMPLYING anything about anybody here...in fact, I only put it out there since YOU had the gall to question my priorities. So had you not asked, I wouldn't have ever said that. But now that it's there, I won't retract it because it's true.

I responded to this thread by putting MYSELF in this situation as to best give my .02...since that is apparantly what Michelle was after when she opened this for discussion. Not my .02 in particular, but the board's. It was not meant as a confrontation or a judgement, but actually a curiosity 'how does Craig feel?' which Michelle has answered with no issues...so honestly, DM, I really don't understand why you seem to be making this such a bigger issue than it should be.

Again, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF....with both parties having separate roles during the day,I find that some of the most intimate moments are spent just lying in bed, sleeping, spooning, etc. It's actually one of the biggest things I miss about our old life together. If I had a problem sleeping, I'd be at the docs because I value that time I spend with D. And vice versa. If I had a problem sleeping, I'd lie there and just enjoy being close to him. I've done it in the past, as has he. The odd sleepless night is not an issue in and of itself, but if it becomes chronic, both D and I would have the sense that summat needs to be done about it because it would be infringing on summat we enjoy. And if D had a chronic issue with insomnia and was up all night, I'd feel that the internet was contributing to the sleeplessness. I am speaking as a woman who has shared a home with D....and the only reason why I bring that up is because my perspective is not one of being together only for short bursts of time. I do realize that a new broom sweeps clean, so to speak, and I can say our broom has some wear on it, lol.

Oh, and everything I wanted to say? I said it. No lines inbetween or subtle nuances...I said it. So if what you're reading is actually not here, then that's not what I mean.

Well, I guess we've come full circle then, and in my opinion, I was not all that far off in my inital post, when I suggested that there was an underlying point. The issue, as you have so aptly explained above, is about the intimacy of lying in bed together, or, in this case, the lack thereof and that spending time on the Internet, when troubled with insomnia could be a potential source of a problem for you (let's not forget that occasional insomnia,as you said, is not an issue in and of itself, but only if the insomnia becomes chronic). But that is, in essence, superimposing a value that you have in your relationship upon others. Enough said?

[Fandango 1,440]

LisaD,

Those weren't the priorities I was addressing. But so that you don't have to read between my lines, as I evidently was for yours, I'll clarify. I interpretted yours to mean that you wouldn't appreciate sleeping in an empty bed if for some reason your SO couldn't sleep.

P. S. If you aren't interested in furthering this discussion, I won't either,. But then perhaps removing this comment would be a good idea....

But just so there's no confusion....D comes before internet!

Somehow, as I read it, I think you are implying more than you claim you are.

No I will not remove that comment. D comes before the internet. Again, I'm not IMPLYING anything about anybody here...in fact, I only put it out there since YOU had the gall to question my priorities. So had you not asked, I wouldn't have ever said that. But now that it's there, I won't retract it because it's true.

I responded to this thread by putting MYSELF in this situation as to best give my .02...since that is apparantly what Michelle was after when she opened this for discussion. Not my .02 in particular, but the board's. It was not meant as a confrontation or a judgement, but actually a curiosity 'how does Craig feel?' which Michelle has answered with no issues...so honestly, DM, I really don't understand why you seem to be making this such a bigger issue than it should be.

Again, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF....with both parties having separate roles during the day,I find that some of the most intimate moments are spent just lying in bed, sleeping, spooning, etc. It's actually one of the biggest things I miss about our old life together. If I had a problem sleeping, I'd be at the docs because I value that time I spend with D. And vice versa. If I had a problem sleeping, I'd lie there and just enjoy being close to him. I've done it in the past, as has he. The odd sleepless night is not an issue in and of itself, but if it becomes chronic, both D and I would have the sense that summat needs to be done about it because it would be infringing on summat we enjoy. And if D had a chronic issue with insomnia and was up all night, I'd feel that the internet was contributing to the sleeplessness. I am speaking as a woman who has shared a home with D....and the only reason why I bring that up is because my perspective is not one of being together only for short bursts of time. I do realize that a new broom sweeps clean, so to speak, and I can say our broom has some wear on it, lol.

Oh, and everything I wanted to say? I said it. No lines inbetween or subtle nuances...I said it. So if what you're reading is actually not here, then that's not what I mean.

Well, I guess we've come full circle then, and in my opinion, I was not all that far off in my inital post, when I suggested that there was an underlying point. The issue, as you have so aptly explained above, is about the intimacy of lying in bed together, or, in this case, the lack thereof and that spending time on the Internet, when troubled with insomnia could be a potential source of a problem for you (let's not forget that occasional insomnia,as you said, is not an issue in and of itself, but only if the insomnia becomes chronic). But that is, in essence, superimposing a value that you have in your relationship upon others. Enough said?

...which is WHY i ASKED how Craig felt about it. Go figure.

and what I said is very summed up in 'the intimacy of sleeping with your spouse' which is what I said like 50 grillion posts ago...

[Thingee 0]

Another way to get yourself back on the 'proper' cycle, whatever that is for you, is to have an extremely physically active day. Walking, paint the house, come strip 4 layers of paint off my stairway..just keep physically moving.

[melly 0]

I'm still trying to figure out what "vigorous" laundry is.

Good luck with sorting out your sleep issues.

[Fandango 1,440]

I'm still trying to figure out what "vigorous" laundry is.

LOL!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

insomnia sucks... that's my 2 cents.

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

Try a melatonin supplement. It works for some people and has other health benefits.

[Alex+R 0]

Another way to get yourself back on the 'proper' cycle, whatever that is for you, is to have an extremely physically active day. Walking, paint the house, come strip 4 layers of paint off my stairway.. just keep physically moving.

Hahahaha I love it.

[PlatyPius 5]

I've been on 3rd shift for 18 months now. Never did it before now. It really mess's with me to try to sleep in the day. My days off suck because I just stay up all night so I can go to work sunday night. I have told my boss that I must have first or second shift by the time Luz gets here. He assures me a 2nd shift job is a sure thing. We will see.

I work 3rd shift too. Sian and I only get to sleep together (actual sleep....) 2 nights per week. I've been trying to get moved to 2nd shift or 1st shift for months. Eventually I'll just quit, tell them to shove it, and find another job. The general stress of my job and the freaky hours (11pm - 7:30am + 2 hours drive time total) aren't doing me (us) any good.

[MichelleandCraig 1]

Thanks for everyone's comments and replies....

That said, although it hasn't turned into it *at this point*, I don't intend to get into a pizzing match with anyone over my sleeping habits. For one thing, this is a short-term thing, and I have every intention it will be resolved soon, as I like to be in bed with my husband same as anyone else who's able to do that. (who doesn't have separate shifts, is still apart, etc.) While I totally agree it's not necessary to have a great relationship anyway, it's just nice. However, Craig isn't the least annoyed with me over it, and is being understanding, so that's really all I care about. ETA: and I'm obviously not up all night, online, for the hell of it...I can't sleep! (Thus, the title of the post about it being annoying.)

We're getting ready to go to my parents for a couple hours to visit, so have a good day everyone! M.

Jesus, Michelle, I raised a point very civilly that's relevant to your topic. And you responded 'it's not a problem for him' so I don't see where the hooha is coming from. I'm not trying to get into a pizzing contest.

Thus the remark, *although it hasn't at this point*....was just saying I didn't intend to argue about it is all, only because I *know* how these things get started one way or another and then seem to escalate at times.

Anyway, it's all good. Hopefully a moot point, because tonight I feel really tired, and we're getting ready to have supper, watch a movie, so hopefully I'll get to bed around midnight/1 or so...the normal time I like to try to get to sleep. As long as it's not 6/7/8am I'm good with it!

and DM, you're right...Craig wakes up VERY easily, and once he's awake, he's up...so that's why I don't lay there next to him...I'd be restless and likely wake him up eventually!

If the situation isn't resolved somewhat by Monday, Corey has a Dr. apmt with our family Dr, and I had considered asking him for some sleeping tablets then, but I don't really want to get dependent on them to get to sleep, so we'll see. Hopefully, it'll just work itself out with me being tired.

Thanks for the suggestions, all. I just mainly wanted to gripe...was feeling very frustrated at 4am, but then Craig got up 1/2 hr later so passed the time with him. M.

[sarah and hicham 3]

I'm really laughing here. Lisa explained what she said at least 3 times telling DM she was wrong with how she perceived her posts however DM still has a special opinion about Lisa's posts. Yikes!

[Fandango 1,440]

Thanks for everyone's comments and replies....

That said, although it hasn't turned into it *at this point*, I don't intend to get into a pizzing match with anyone over my sleeping habits. For one thing, this is a short-term thing, and I have every intention it will be resolved soon, as I like to be in bed with my husband same as anyone else who's able to do that. (who doesn't have separate shifts, is still apart, etc.) While I totally agree it's not necessary to have a great relationship anyway, it's just nice. However, Craig isn't the least annoyed with me over it, and is being understanding, so that's really all I care about. ETA: and I'm obviously not up all night, online, for the hell of it...I can't sleep! (Thus, the title of the post about it being annoying.)

We're getting ready to go to my parents for a couple hours to visit, so have a good day everyone! M.

Jesus, Michelle, I raised a point very civilly that's relevant to your topic. And you responded 'it's not a problem for him' so I don't see where the hooha is coming from. I'm not trying to get into a pizzing contest.

Thus the remark, *although it hasn't at this point*....was just saying I didn't intend to argue about it is all, only because I *know* how these things get started one way or another and then seem to escalate at times.

Fair enough, I missed that bit....my bad!

[diadromous mermaid 36]

I'm really laughing here. Lisa explained what she said at least 3 times telling DM she was wrong with how she perceived her posts however DM still has a special opinion about Lisa's posts. Yikes!

Yes, you're right, it is quite laughable really. I'm fairly astute and usually prefer not to be confrontary. I suppose it can be best wrapped up by saying that I guess there can be a long-term and inherent hazard with being typically 'upfront and direct'. :lol: