A Troubling Pattern

[bdawn 66]

A Troubling Pattern

I have been on here for quite a while and have been following several posts from beneficiaries claiming abuse right after receiving either the conditional green card or 10 years green card. Without disputing the existence of genuine abuses, I am beginning to question how authentic some of these claims are. How is this for logic, that, 99.97% of the abuse occurs only after the green card – conditional or unconditional – was received? Assuming some of these abuses occurred prior to obtaining the green card but the beneficiaries remained silent until after the green card were received, isn’t this like a prior ‘intent-to-use-for-green card’ instead of marrying for real? To add to this troubling trend, most of those on conditional green card claiming abuse get on here to ask for how they can stay legally through VAWA, which indicates a prior knowledge of some sort. Even those who have no idea about VAWA, their first post are always centered on how they can remove the condition without the sponsoring partner. To the best of my knowledge, I have only seen one person claiming abuse who was asking for help to travel back to her home country.

I don’t have a problem with anyone who wants to live here if their marriage didn’t work, but if 99.999% claim abuse and instantly jump into fishing for a way to live here permanently without the petitioner; it provokes some considerable doubts as to how authentic some of these claims really are. Without blinking, and from the past experiences of some petitioners, most of these beneficiaries are married back home, use the petitioners to secure green card for themselves and any their children (if any), and hurriedly claim abuse just to get it done with the petition, since the goal is already achieved.

In my opinion, it seems the pursuit of green card has become a goal with its own rights. Most of these people feel justified to play with the emotions of their sponsors without attaching any significance to their interest. Even if they have to make a false claim and call the cops on them, as long as it will allow for them to ‘manipulate’ VAWA with these false claims to get their green card, they do without blinking. I am concerned about this pattern, and so should every citizen and non-citizens alike who have a healthy respect for properly constituted rules.

Something has to be done about this. If we’re quick to petition USCIS on unfair adjudication or delayed process, we must equally be fair to petition VAWA to look into cases of abuse with eagle eyes. If we don’t act, a few years down the road, just like the Zombie Apocalypse, we’ll be over-ran in this country by these self-serving lairs .

[Thisislife 31]

Hi I am a man and also a VAWA beneficiary. Whatever you have said is not correct. I didn't stay in the US once I filed for VAWA. Also I filed my application before my GC card. What makes you feel that the abuse is not real? Do you understand how difficult is to live with someone who abuses or humiliates you every day? A person who takes all your hard earned money and you can't even ask a question. Try doing it once and then tell me how did your husband or wife reacts to it?

I left the country and I am still waiting for the case to get completed. Do you think people get pleasure sitting in there home and not doing anything? Don't just assume someone's life by saying most of them are already back in their home country. How sure are you that it's only the beneficiary playing with the petitioners emotion and not vice versa? Also it took 13 months for my VAWA approval forget about the time before I waited on my I130.

[Exocet 88]

Yes, let's all start pointing fingers at random people without really knowing the full story, and bog down USCIS with even more paperwork and delays to further distract them from working on what they should be working on. Lynch mob mentality is never a good idea for anything.

[JessTim 10]

Most often we are one-sided. Someone posts about abuse if it is true or not we can't tell. I agree that there are legitimate claim of abuse, but there are also fake claim. Too many people are abusing the system. This is equally responsible for the delays, because USCIS are quite aware of the "marriage for green card" saga which causes legitimate relationships to suffer delays as well. It's a sad reality. But yes we can't start a campaign that can potentially cause further delay.

[Boiler 45,519]

When they have a GC there is no need to go through the VAWA process.

[bdawn 66]

When they have a GC there is no need to go through the VAWA process.

Thanks for the correction. I was referring to claims that help them remove condition without a joint-filing. I am sure if they have documented evidence (such as police report on abuse) they stand a better chance of removing the condition on their own.

[bdawn 66]

Hi I am a man and also a VAWA beneficiary. Whatever you have said is not correct. I didn't stay in the US once I filed for VAWA. Also I filed my application before my GC card. What makes you feel that the abuse is not real? Do you understand how difficult is to live with someone who abuses or humiliates you every day? A person who takes all your hard earned money and you can't even ask a question. Try doing it once and then tell me how did your husband or wife reacts to it?

I left the country and I am still waiting for the case to get completed. Do you think people get pleasure sitting in there home and not doing anything? Don't just assume someone's life by saying most of them are already back in their home country. How sure are you that it's only the beneficiary playing with the petitioners emotion and not vice versa? Also it took 13 months for my VAWA approval forget about the time before I waited on my I130.

Did you take the time to read? Can you source-out specific line where I said all claims are false? Did you read "Without disputing the existence of genuine abuses" at all? Which part of this statement runs inconsistent with your understanding?

[Thisislife 31]

Please explain when you make a statement like this ' self serving liars'? As per your post you had come across only one single person on this forum who wanted to return home and was looking for help. That is why your percentage is 99.97% or else it would have been 100%? How did you find about Visa Journey? This is the 21st century and people surf web... When you have some problem what do you do? Search the web.... If USCIS was just approving all VAWA petitions with closed eyes then I believe the approval percentage will be 100% but that's not the case. I don't understand why do people have issues with immigrants who file for VAWA?

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

Many people will have triggering events. Maybe you have an unhappy marriage and when you start needing the paperwork for ROC things get worse, maybe you have been hanging in hoping to make it through ROC and just can't anymore. Maybe you are a fraudster and just can't wait to get out and get on with the plan. How do we know the three apart from each other. I have long been an advocate of lie detection testing during certain interviews to help discourage fraudsters. But USCIS is no dummy and see these patterns also.

[aussie_jason 195]

I think USCIS just needs to better define what a bona fide marriage really is.

[Boiler 45,519]

Please explain when you make a statement like this ' self serving liars'? As per your post you had come across only one single person on this forum who wanted to return home and was looking for help. That is why your percentage is 99.97% or else it would have been 100%? How did you find about Visa Journey? This is the 21st century and people surf web... When you have some problem what do you do? Search the web.... If USCIS was just approving all VAWA petitions with closed eyes then I believe the approval percentage will be 100% but that's not the case. I don't understand why do people have issues with immigrants who file for VAWA?

You need to get out more.

There have been many many classic examples on VJ, and I am sure there will be many more.

Just hang around and read.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

It's not a new trend, fraud has existed long before you noticed it. USCIS works to combat it.

[JessTim 10]

Please explain when you make a statement like this ' self serving liars'? As per your post you had come across only one single person on this forum who wanted to return home and was looking for help. That is why your percentage is 99.97% or else it would have been 100%? How did you find about Visa Journey? This is the 21st century and people surf web... When you have some problem what do you do? Search the web.... If USCIS was just approving all VAWA petitions with closed eyes then I believe the approval percentage will be 100% but that's not the case. I don't understand why do people have issues with immigrants who file for VAWA?

You're not one of them, move on. I hope you're not implying that "false abuse claim" isn't real. If you are, then you need to "surf the web" too

[Maria2012 16]

Statistically 1 in 4 women has been the victim of domestic violence in US. With a high percentage like that, not only should we believe that domestic abuse is real but we should also realize that a lot of it goes undocumented.

I am refering to women now because they are the main victim of domestic abuse but it can happen to men too ( ratio is 85% women and 15% men)

People adjusting status might look like they might have an ulterior motive to report violence and some of them do, but that doesn't deny the fact that violence against women and children is real, and what better perfect victim than a foreign national who fears for her children's well being, doesn't speak the language well, does not know her rights, has no job and no family in the US?

Edited March 14, 2014 by Maria2012

[Boiler 45,519]

Sounds very sexist, I know many men victims of abuse.