Why F2A is not moving

[aaron2020 11,651]

At least they own that to green card holders... They are residents of the US and they deserve to be with their families

Why? Because you want it to be true? Why does the US owe anything to green card holders?

While people do deserve to be with their families, LPRs make a choice to come to the US. They make the choice of marrying and bringing a spouse with the knowledge that they must wait for an available immigration visa.

So, how is it it unfair to wait your turn when the US publicly states that visas are limited to the families of LPRs and they must wait many years to get them. The US did not change any rules and does not own non-citizens, non-residents a visitor visa.

Did you not know about Priority Dates and waiting for a visa?

[yannix 24]

 

there are no written facts as all these are just predictions and assumption but some positive sign on the basis of past data is oct 2014 VB where DOS release new F2A there are chances tht it may start moving from previous close I.e 8th sept 2013 as they are clearing backlog from 2011-2012. hope for the best as last time i just missed by 2 days my PD is 10th sept 2013 and cc 7th march 2014

Huh? On Oct 2013, F2A actually retrogressed to 08SEP13. First time that happened after that category went CURRENT. Small one but a retrogression nonetheless. Past data shows it's a bad sign

Don't get me wrong. I would really hope that the bulletin will move forward all the time. I just want to tame the expectations and dispel the myth that the bulletin will magically jump just because it's the new fiscal year.

[vkrishn 97]

Why is this unfair?

What promise did the US break?

What does the US owe to a foreigner who is not in the US?

So a person on a Non immigrant Visa H-1 can bring his/her spouse on H-4 Dependant visa immediately and now H-4 visa holders can get the authorization to work whcih will happen soon.

Two problems are solved here

1) You can enter and remain in the country legally on H-4

2) You are allowed to work (soon) on H-4.

If these two conditions are satisfied why do you need LPR in the first place? Its unfair because a person who comes here on H-1 is punished if he/she gets an LPR and wants to bring their spouse from outside the country after he/she becomes an LPR. So in another sense, U.S gives the person LPR but asks them to wait to bring their immediate family for the next 2-3yrs while a person on non immigrant visa such as H-4 can come immediately and also can get work authorization as well(which will be implemented soon and i am not going to go into whether its an Administrative fix and ####### like that)? Catch 22!

If the system is fair they should also limit entry to H-4 spouses and let them in after a certain amount of time once this work authorization stuff is implemented and ask them to join their partners after 2yrs.Wonder what the backlash would be. Marriage can't be decided by I-485 or GC. It has to happen when it has to happen. Not considering spouse of LPR as immediate relative sounds absolutely dumb.

[aaron2020 11,651]

So a person on a Non immigrant Visa H-1 can bring his/her spouse on H-4 Dependant visa immediately and now H-4 visa holders can get the authorization to work whcih will happen soon.

Two problems are solved here

1) You can enter and remain in the country legally on H-4

2) You are allowed to work (soon) on H-4.

If these two conditions are satisfied why do you need LPR in the first place? Its unfair because a person who comes here on H-1 is punished if he/she gets an LPR and wants to bring their spouse from outside the country after he/she becomes an LPR. So in another sense, U.S gives the person LPR but asks them to wait to bring their immediate family for the next 2-3yrs while a person on non immigrant visa such as H-4 can come immediately and also can get work authorization as well(which will be implemented soon and i am not going to go into whether its an Administrative fix and ####### like that)? Catch 22!

If the system is fair they should also limit entry to H-4 spouses and let them in after a certain amount of time once this work authorization stuff is implemented and ask them to join their partners after 2yrs.Wonder what the backlash would be. Marriage can't be decided by I-485 or GC. It has to happen when it has to happen. Not considering spouse of LPR as immediate relative sounds absolutely dumb.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Family based immigration vs. Employment based immigration which have different goals.

The immigration system has many priorities. H1 workers are high skill workers who help the US economy. We let them in because it helps the American people.

My point is that the rules did not change. People choose to come to be LPRs. They know the rules about PD and waiting for a visa. Once the first person comes over and petitions, it's whining that the system is unfair when no one changed the rules on them and they knew the rules before coming to the US.

This is a case of sour grapes. Me first. Other people last.

If someone gives your brother a gift and not you, are you going to complain that is unfair?

Are you going to complain that it's not fair that US citizens don't have to wait for limited visas to bring their spouses over too?

Edited June 13, 2014 by aaron2020

[Mrs Tams 5]

BubbleBelle said it's "unfair" because he/she might not be granted a VISA in order to visit (even with an added condition...as non-existent as that may be) while he/she waits. I don't think the issue was the process itself.

Just because "it is what is", doesn't mean people cannot/won't complain.

If my children ask me for ice-cream for breakfast and I say no, of course they're gonna think I'm "unfair". However, "it is what it is". They'll get it as a treat when I say so. That doesn't mean they won't whine about it.

Some USCs complain about how "unfair" it is that I-129 petitions are being approved before their I-130s and subsequently have immigrant VISA approved on a "promise" to get married...meanwhile the USC and their spouse have already made that commitment. Should they just suck it up and be quiet too?

Are you kidding me with this? Is it a matter of semantics or what? Should they have said it's rather unfortunate instead? Come onnnn...~~~

[vkrishn 97]

You are comparing apples to oranges. Family based immigration vs. Employment based immigration which have different goals.

The immigration system has many priorities. H1 workers are high skill workers who help the US economy. We let them in because it helps the American people.

My point is that the rules did not change. People choose to come to be LPRs. They know the rules about PD and waiting for a visa. Once the first person comes over and petitions, it's whining that the system is unfair when no one changed the rules on them and they knew the rules before coming to the US.

This is a case of sour grapes. Me first. Other people last.

If someone gives your brother a gift and not you, are you going to complain that is unfair?

Are you going to complain that it's not fair that US citizens don't have to wait for limited visas to bring their spouses over too?

Nope. Read my post again, A H-1 becomes an LPR in the long term. What happens to the spouse who comes here on a H-4? He/she also gets her GC through her husband. Does the H-4 spouse wait 2yrs to get the GC. No. They adjust their status in the states because they are already here legally on H-4(where spouse of LPR can't even come on a VISA like that where they can stay legally but wait in line until PD becomes current) and get the GC with their husband/wife when I-485 is applied or when they come under "follow to join". When a person who is on H-1 gets an LPR and if he/she isn't married why are they punished? So when they where on H-1 it helps the american people and when they become LPR they don't? LOL. Heck they don't even go through the rigorous process of any Interview if the spouse is already on H-4 and they get their I485 filed with their spouse irrespective of whether the marriage was one day or 10yrs.

I am not complaining about USC at all and if it was me first and rest last i would have said F2A should be processed or given priority over every one else and i did not say that. Spouse is an immediate relative no matter what. Does not matter if its LPR or USC. Same rules needs to apply both. Yes it is the system that does not consider spouse of LPR as immediate relative. Period!

Edited June 14, 2014 by vkrishn

[kalloo 4]

Nope. Read my post again, A H-1 becomes an LPR in the long term. What happens to the spouse who comes here on a H-4? He/she also gets her GC through her husband. Does the H-4 spouse wait 2yrs to get the GC. No. They adjust their status in the states because they are already here legally on H-4(where spouse of LPR can't even come on a VISA like that where they can stay legally but wait in line until PD becomes current) and get the GC with their husband/wife when I-485 is applied or when they come under "follow to join". When a person who is on H-1 gets an LPR and if he/she isn't married why are they punished? So when they where on H-1 it helps the american people and when they become LPR they don't? LOL. Heck they don't even go through the rigorous process of any Interview if the spouse is already on H-4 and they get their I485 filed with their spouse irrespective of whether the marriage was one day or 10yrs.

I am not complaining about USC at all and if it was me first and rest last i would have said F2A should be processed or given priority over every one else and i did not say that. Spouse is an immediate relative no matter what. Does not matter if its LPR or USC. Same rules needs to apply both. Yes it is the system that does not consider spouse of LPR as immediate relative. Period!

Mr. Krishn, you are lucky thats why you got you visa processed so fast. you can not understand our pain. this page is about F2A, so please bring H1, H4 thing here. you are just passing your time here. if you want to talk please talk about F2A visa prediction.

Please dont mind.

kalloo

[vkrishn 97]

Mr. Krishn, you are lucky thats why you got you visa processed so fast. you can not understand our pain. this page is about F2A, so please bring H1, H4 thing here. you are just passing your time here. if you want to talk please talk about F2A visa prediction.

Please dont mind.

kalloo

I have been there and been on a relationship for 2yrs before i got married last yr and I had to make numerous trips outside US to meet my now wife and figure this immigration thingy out with respect to spouse of LPR. Infact i am advocating that spouse of LPR should not have to go through VB where H-4's can come to this country legally stay and eventually get a GC,Spouse of LPR's are screwed by this VB.

No one can predict F2A Visa unless you have Demand data. I ain't Nostradamus and unless you are one its highly unlikely to predict with respect to F2A. You need to read my posts *properly* before you start assuming anything and everything.

Edited June 14, 2014 by vkrishn

[bubblebelle 0]

Thanks Guys... aaron2020 obviously didn't understand what i meant... I think its been explained thoroughly from all Angles so i wont say any further!!!

[kalloo 4]

i have discussed with my attorney. he said for PD sept 2013. you have to wait around 2 years from now. there are too many people has applied during last year.

just wanted to share with all fellow members.

Kalloo

[franklinadamau 8]

i have discussed with my attorney. he said for PD sept 2013. you have to wait around 2 years from now. there are too many people has applied during last year.

just wanted to share with all fellow members.

Kalloo

I don't think I agree with that..... By October it should start moving at a faster rate and very close to September.... All these are happening mostly because we are close to the end of the fiscal year..... But again we shouldn't keep disturbing our self trying to predict what would happen next cos no one can when it comes to vb Edited June 15, 2014 by franklinadamau

[sbai2000 31]

i have discussed with my attorney. he said for PD sept 2013. you have to wait around 2 years from now. there are too many people has applied during last year.

just wanted to share with all fellow members.

Kalloo

Kalloo - how does he actually know this? There is no way for him to definitively say this. Firstly, he doesn't know the number of people who have applied....Secondly, (as I am discovering) people get I-130 approvals and don't do anything with it for several years....thirdly, many people upgrade to the CR1/IR1 category.

I just don't think there is anyway for anyone to even give a guesstimate as to when PD September 2013 will be current. There are just too many unknown variables....

[carL♥tRin 1]

i have discussed with my attorney. he said for PD sept 2013. you have to wait around 2 years from now. there are too many people has applied during last year.

just wanted to share with all fellow members.

Kalloo

I don't think your atty have an access to how many visa numbers will be available in the next fiscal year. And there is no way for him to prove this. I personally know someone who got an atty to process his documents. Unfortunately the atty intended to make the process much more longer to get more money from his client.

[sf786 22]

Absolutely right.

Attorney always lengthen the process to fetch maximum money. They are not even concerned about clients are going through which pain?

I don't think your atty have an access to how many visa numbers will be available in the next fiscal year. And there is no way for him to prove this. I personally know someone who got an atty to process his documents. Unfortunately the atty intended to make the process much more longer to get more money from his client.

[Niraj 4]

i have discussed with my attorney. he said for PD sept 2013. you have to wait around 2 years from now. there are too many people has applied during last year.

just wanted to share with all fellow members.

Kalloo

Its just that you don't bug him again and again and sit calm for 2 years.