Malaysia Airlines loses contact with jet carrying 239 people

[LibCampFireClub 635]

[lostinblue 1,989]

If this is a kidnapping things could get very ugly in a hurry. I don't think the Chinese will be so forgiving as we are in the west about such things.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

If this is a kidnapping things could get very ugly in a hurry. I don't think the Chinese will be so forgiving as we are in the west about such things.

You're right. When it comes the many acts of terror in China. Family members and friends of terrorists and dissidents often disappear without explanation.

Since the news now has hold of the "fact" that this was a hijacking, just who is going to conduct the rescue, negotiation, attack?

Edited March 15, 2014 by ExExpat

[lostinblue 1,989]

If this is the case that Muslims have again used an airplane for installing fear into societies . I can see the Chinese (if they are the focus) working to establish a stronger presence in training rapid deployment forces. Worse case would be to have Chinese on board killed one by one as the ongoing struggle with the Uyghur's move up a number of levels . I can see help being offered from many countries. The country that is the main focus should be in control of the situation. (IE) Chinese Muslims killing Chinese passengers. . It depends on what language is involved. There could be plans that no one leaves alive. Right now we have no idea what we are working with.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Here is a link to the captain of Malaysia airlines facebook page. It may not be up much longer. Translated to English, here is one of his last posts:

https://www.facebook.com/zaharie.shah.3

right terror anwar ne. !

Politics of fear.. This is what it’s boiled down to… Questioning the qualification of the individuals who dare to standup. (Anuar or Hadi .) These are our only hope to restore democracy. 50 years in power by a single party (coalition) does not say much about democracy in the country. If these leaders willing to stand in the line of fire the least we could do is support them. They might not be perceived to be the best candidate but sacrifice is necessary to achieve the goal of free democracy. When you renovate a house you have to suffer all the consequences. From dust, to the contractor that run off with the money, Aliens workers keeping an eyes on your family. WHY DO YOU RISK THAT? Because at the end after all the loss of extra ringgit for overprice items the contractor billed you and you elude the alien predators from robbing your house and harming your family you know it will be worthwhile.

Asalamualaikum

Today is my last post on FB. The vote is with bijaksana.Kesejahteraan

the future of our children depends on the decision

you do tomorrow.

I count as a watchdog that will Ballot Box P107

opened the next day at the Office of Government Chinatown.

I gather 10 fingers apologize if there terkasar language.

I am a common man can not escape from errors.

In place of the votes in a government office petaling. Kul 5 new start counting. Sorry no pictures allowed.

Edited March 15, 2014 by ExExpat

[Dakine10 5,452]

You're right. When it comes the many acts of terror in China. Family members and friends of terrorists and dissidents often disappear without explanation.

Since the news now has hold of the "fact" that this was a hijacking, just who is going to conduct the rescue, negotiation, attack?

It's been over a week. If the plane was really highjacked and successfully landed, the lack of demands or communication is not a good sign for the hostages. Hard to see them keeping that many people alive indefinitely.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

It's been over a week. If the plane was really highjacked and successfully landed, the lack of demands or communication is not a good sign for the hostages. Hard to see them keeping that many people alive indefinitely.

No matter where you turn now everyone has a theory of what may have happened. I have wondered about the reports from the Chinese families about cell phones ringing and appearing online with the Chinese instant communicator "QQ." The known factors are this version of 777 did NOT have WiFi like many newer international flights do. Also, they would have been out of range of any cell tower. If the plane landed in a remote region, they would still have been out of range of cell towers, so no connection. However, it's reported widely now that within a short time of turning off the transponder, that it increased altitude to over 45,000 feet. This airliner has a max ceiling of just over 42K feet.

If the passengers and other crew members learned of this hijacking, then it stands to reason that they would have tried to stop it. If the pilot wanted to settle them down he could have donned his oxygen mask and depressurized the passenger cabin. The oxygen masks in that area would have deployed, but there is just a few minutes oxygen available there. They could have all perished early on. That may be one reason we have not heard any demands.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There ain't no survivors. They haven't found the plane or what's left of it yet but that bird is not in one piece anymore and there's no doubt in my mind that neither the passengers nor the crew are alive. Whatever happened and wherever it happened, there's no happy ending in the cards.

Edited March 15, 2014 by Mr. Big Dog

[LibCampFireClub 635]

There ain't no survivors. They haven't found the plane or what's left of it yet but that bird is not in one piece anymore and there's no doubt in my mind that neither the passengers nor the crew are alive. Whatever happened and wherever it happened, there's no happy ending in the cards.

Right. It's still possible that the plane went down somewhere. From the beginning, there was to be no happy ending, even if it successfully landed in Pakistan, Afghanistan, or any other stan. I truly feel for the families involved. The Chinese are deeply appreciative for all the help they are receiving from the international community.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Right. It's still possible that the plane went down somewhere. From the beginning, there was to be no happy ending, even if it successfully landed in Pakistan, Afghanistan, or any other stan. I truly feel for the families involved. The Chinese are deeply appreciative for all the help they are receiving from the international community.

That's not a possibility, that's a given. Obviously, the plane is not in the air anymore so it went down. We don't know how and where yet but it is certain that it went down. And yes, this is tragic for the families involved. Though they must know that their loved ones have perished, I can see that they'd want to know what happened and get some closure. It's a horrible incident.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

When I wrote that the plane possibly "went down" somewhere, I was referring to a crash. The plane either crashed, or landed somewhere. Right now it remains unknown which of those happened.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Some calculations concerning satellites communicating with MH370

Malaysian run search and rescue team today (15/3/14) announced a lead in to the fate of MH370 and showed a map indicating some more details about the last known ping communication between the plane and satellites responsible for ACARS monitoring.

From the statements by the Malaysian PM and scrutiny of the map, we can deduce that the location of the plane at that time (8:11am Sat 8/3/14 Malaysian time +08) was at such a point that the INMARSAT IOR, which covers the Indian Ocean and surrounding areas, was at an altitude of 40 degrees above the horizon as viewed from the ping location.

Here is a map of locations which fit that description.

Note that there are some other constraints which rule out locations on the red circle in SE Asia and further to the West than Kazakhstan. See below.

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Some more explanation

The Malaysian map shows that the SAR team had concluded that the last ping came from somewhere on this 40 degree circle but they ruled out parts of the circle in the far East and also most of the west half of the circle.

A examination of the coverage of the INMARSATs explains this. The last ping must have been picked up by IOR over the Indian Ocean but not by POR over the Pacific or AOR-E over the Atlantic. Hence bits of the red circle are not valid and we end up with the two arcs, also described by the PM as coridoors.

How do we know that the satellite was at an angle of altitude of 40 degrees as viewed from the plane at last ping? Well, that is clearly known to the SAR team as shown by the map. It must have been determined by either 1) ping latency (giving an accurate measure of distance from the satellite), 2) angle of reception by satellite or 3) some distance calculation perhaps based on signal strength. Distance from satellite and angle of altitude can be calculated from each other.

As only one INMARSAT covers this area (and handles ACARS coms), there was no ability to triangulate etc.

How to calculate the circle? The satellite is 35890km above a point at seal level on the equator at 64 degrees east. A little trigonometry will give us that the points we seek are on a circle centred here and with radius about 4840km. That is my red circle.

http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~mark/personal/MH370/mh370.html

[LibCampFireClub 635]

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Is the plane in Pakistan?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581488/It-WAS-hijacked-Malaysian-official-says-CONCLUSIVE-jet-carrying-239-hijacked-35-000-ft-individual-group-significant-flying-experience.html

Investigators say the missing Malaysia Airlines jet was hijacked, steered off-course and could have reached Pakistan. A Malaysian government official said people with significant flying experience could have turned off the flight's communication devices. The representative said that hijacking theory was now 'conclusive', and, as a result, police have raided the luxury homes of both the captain and the co-pilot.

Edited March 15, 2014 by ExExpat

[lostinblue 1,989]

Is the plane in Pakistan?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581488/It-WAS-hijacked-Malaysian-official-says-CONCLUSIVE-jet-carrying-239-hijacked-35-000-ft-individual-group-significant-flying-experience.html

Why in the world would the plane be in Pakistan. .. Or any of the stan countries. We only know what is being fed to us. One page at a time.