Honor Killings

[mybackpages 0]

i can;t help but keeping go back to the idea that I think a lot of people want to blame the victim in the case of honor killings. It seems to me the only way someone can justify an honor killing is to somehow hold even a seed of belief that the girl had it coming because of her actions.

[Jenn! 918]

i can;t help but keeping go back to the idea that I think a lot of people want to blame the victim in the case of honor killings. It seems to me the only way someone can justify an honor killing is to somehow hold even a seed of belief that the girl had it coming because of her actions.

That seems right to me.

[sarah and hicham 3]

I'm glad we have a new resident expert on Egypt!

[Jenn! 918]

Sure, I see the similarity in what you're saying. But how often do you have someone who is vehemently opposed to abortion that would marry someone who was either pro-choice or indifferent? IMO, if one is willing to agree to disagree with their partner on this type of issue, one really can't be all that vehemently opposed.

I don't get that last sentence....whah?

I would think that a man who felt very strongly about abortion being murder would not want to marry a woman who openly admits that abortion is ok and that she would get one herself if the situation warranted it. How could he accept that as just being "part of her culture"?

In the same vein, how could a woman who felt very strongly opposed to honor killings want to marry a man who thinks that it's ok just because it's part of *his* culture?

[doodlebug 3]

I'm glad we have a new resident expert on Egypt!

where did i say i was an expert?

[peezey 0]

Can you show me proof of the amounts of abortions being at nearly the same rate?

Here are Egyptian stats for you first:

Results: Among the 22,656 admissions to the obstetrics and gynecology departments during the 30-day study period, approximately one of every five patients (19%) was a woman admitted for treatment of an induced or spontaneous abortion. Projections yielded an estimated induced abortion rate in Egypt of 14.8 per 100 pregnancies. The mean gestational age of the lost pregnancies was 10.8 weeks, and a large majority (86%) were lost at 12 weeks or less. Fourteen percent of the women arrived at the hospital suffering from excessive blood loss, 1% exhibited one or more signs of trauma and 5% had one or more signs of infection. Dilatation and curettage under general anesthesia was the principal surgical treatment provided.

Run Date: 04/12/04

By Christopher Walker

WeNews correspondent

Women seek abortions throughout Egypt, even though religious and civil law bars the procedures. Some 35 percent are done without any medical supervision.

While there are no exact numbers, there is no question, that abortion rates in Egypt are high. A 1996 study of 1,300 Egyptian women by the Cairo Demographic Center found that one-third had tried to terminate a pregnancy. This is slightly lower than in the United States, where about 40 percent of women have had an abortion at some point in their lives.

A 1998 study by Egyptian researchers and published by the New York-based Population Council extrapolated from the rate of post-abortion treatment in Egyptian public hospitals to find the overall abortion rate. After studying over 22,000 admissions to hospital gynecology departments, researchers found that out of every 100 pregnancies, 15 were ended by induced abortion.

About 35 percent of abortions in Egypt are done without any medical supervision, according to the Population Council study.

Edited January 6, 2007 by peezey

[sarah and hicham 3]

I'm glad we have a new resident expert on Egypt!

where did i say i was an expert?

You didn't say you are an expert and no one said that you claimed that.

however, your comparison between abortion and honor killings is a sad one.

[doodlebug 3]

Sure, I see the similarity in what you're saying. But how often do you have someone who is vehemently opposed to abortion that would marry someone who was either pro-choice or indifferent? IMO, if one is willing to agree to disagree with their partner on this type of issue, one really can't be all that vehemently opposed.

I don't get that last sentence....whah?

I would think that a man who felt very strongly about abortion being murder would not want to marry a woman who openly admits that abortion is ok and that she would get one herself if the situation warranted it. How could he accept that as just being "part of her culture"?

In the same vein, how could a woman who felt very strongly opposed to honor killings want to marry a man who thinks that it's ok just because it's part of *his* culture?

Oh ok I get it now. Told ya I was spacey today. Yeah I see your point.

I'm glad we have a new resident expert on Egypt!

where did i say i was an expert?

You didn't say you are an expert and no one said that you claimed that.

however, your comparison between abortion and honor killings is a sad one.

That is your opinion.

[sarah and hicham 3]

Sure, I see the similarity in what you're saying. But how often do you have someone who is vehemently opposed to abortion that would marry someone who was either pro-choice or indifferent? IMO, if one is willing to agree to disagree with their partner on this type of issue, one really can't be all that vehemently opposed.

I don't get that last sentence....whah?

I would think that a man who felt very strongly about abortion being murder would not want to marry a woman who openly admits that abortion is ok and that she would get one herself if the situation warranted it. How could he accept that as just being "part of her culture"?

In the same vein, how could a woman who felt very strongly opposed to honor killings want to marry a man who thinks that it's ok just because it's part of *his* culture?

Oh ok I get it now. Told ya I was spacey today. Yeah I see your point.

I'm glad we have a new resident expert on Egypt!

where did i say i was an expert?

You didn't say you are an expert and no one said that you claimed that.

however, your comparison between abortion and honor killings is a sad one.

That is your opinion.

yes, yes it is. Was that not clear though?

[doodlebug 3]

Sure, I see the similarity in what you're saying. But how often do you have someone who is vehemently opposed to abortion that would marry someone who was either pro-choice or indifferent? IMO, if one is willing to agree to disagree with their partner on this type of issue, one really can't be all that vehemently opposed.

I don't get that last sentence....whah?

I would think that a man who felt very strongly about abortion being murder would not want to marry a woman who openly admits that abortion is ok and that she would get one herself if the situation warranted it. How could he accept that as just being "part of her culture"?

In the same vein, how could a woman who felt very strongly opposed to honor killings want to marry a man who thinks that it's ok just because it's part of *his* culture?

Oh ok I get it now. Told ya I was spacey today. Yeah I see your point.

I'm glad we have a new resident expert on Egypt!

where did i say i was an expert?

You didn't say you are an expert and no one said that you claimed that.

however, your comparison between abortion and honor killings is a sad one.

That is your opinion.

yes, yes it is. Was that not clear though?

It is clear that you think the comparison is sad but I don't think it is. It wasn't a very thoughtful response though. Is that all you have? Haven't had your coffee yet or sumpin?

[peezey 0]

This the problem with the abortion "issue". It is not cultural, if it were, then it wouldn't happen world wide. It is a medical issue and an emotional one FOR WOMEN. You find me a woman who had an abortion and had zero feelings about it, no matter her philosophical stance on the topic, and I'll give you a million bucks.

Again, honor killings are NOT cultural. Cultural = couscous on Fridays, it does not=murdering your teenage child. And if women accept this about their men, and go along with it, in any way, then it's one more thing to chalk up for the men. Let the mysogyny continue!

Edited January 6, 2007 by peezey

[mybackpages 0]

Cultural = couscous on Fridays,

mmmm couscous on fridays. yummy.

okay sorry, back to topic now.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Honor killing is cultural and has been very much part of Arab culture for thousands of years. There is no way to dismiss it, debunk it or mitigate it because it's disliked. Every culture has aspects that are particular to it, but are only whispered about. Honor killing in one of them in the MENA world.

[dawnnhatem 0]

You find me a woman who had an abortion and had zero feelings about it, no matter her philosophical stance on the topic, and I'll give you a million bucks.

I don't mean to argue here, but I have a feeling that what your saying actually shows more of why the subjects DO compare well... I think its possible its the same kind of (perceived) desperation that keep both practices going. Its easy to say both practices are disgusting but you can't so easily stop some things. I don't know anything tho...so don't let what I post bother any of you too much.

[~Jackie~ 30]

*waves at Dawn* they said couscous

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