Honor Killings

[Donna A 4]

what happens to the guy? isnt he guilty too? after all it take two to tango.

[sarah and hicham 3]

what happens to the guy? isnt he guilty too? after all it take two to tango.

I doubt that the guy get killed too.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

any left overs to share?

leftovers? what's that?

Lucky man that you can eat that good cookin so often!

oh yeah!

[brnidokiegurl 0]

Well little late anyway that was yesterday. TY anyway

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

what happens to the guy? isnt he guilty too? after all it take two to tango.

I doubt that the guy get killed too.

Once in a while the alleged guy involved in the alleged incident will get snuffed, too. But far more frequently it's just the female who takes the hit. Usually the killer will go after the female first, and that gives the guy a chance to make a run for it. Or he sometimes has the option to pay cash restitution.

Note: I am speaking only of extra-judicial "honor killings;" not of state-sanctioned death penalties for adultery, such as is done in Saudi Arabia -- there and in some other countries, males have been executed for such crimes.

[doodlebug 3]

What makes you think that she will not date behind your backs in Egypt?

I'm just curious to know if you have thought of the effect moving her to Egypt could have on her. She is American and will grow up here from what you said... so what if she doesn't want to move to Egypt? This isn't even Usama's daughter right?

If my step dad told me that I had to move to Egypt so that I wouldn't date I wouldn't do it. I'd stay with my real dad.

the culture in Egypt is extremely different than that of the US. Here it is commonplace for girls to date, the girls wear next to nothing half the time, sex is all over the tv, magazines, etc. Of course she could always somehow find the way to go behind our backs, but even that is much harder to do because everyone sticks together and looks out for each other. When Usama and I went to his house after we were married just to hang out and watch his soccer team since our flat didn't have a satellite, about 10 people banged on our door demanding proof that we are married. They did this because someone on the street before his saw us together and spread the word. So yeah,...she could "try" to sneak around but good luck to her in that environment.

She would be Egyptian-American. I'm not talking about either one of my daughters. This does not apply to them because they are not his children. Yes they are his step daughters but that is a very different relationship since they already have an active father. This only applies to future daughters that we would have together if we have any at all.

If he told my kids to move to Egypt my kids wouldn't go either since their dad wouldn't let them, so it's a non-issue with them.

[doodlebug 3]

I haven't read this whole thread since I'm too spacey and I'm sure it's just the same old fighting and what not.

I did run across a post though that said that it doesn't matter about culture and how they were raised, etc. . . speaking of the men who agree with honor killings. I want to disagree...it has everything about the culture.

There are some cultures that are completely shocked that abortion is so commonplace in the US. I want to ask those who are so against the MENA men who don't feverishly go against honor-killings...how are they different than American men who think nothing of bringing their girlfriend/wife to an abortion shop to kill an innocent human being before it even has a chance to experience anything this life has to offer? How many babies are killed each and everyday in the US compared to the number of honor killings in MENA and other parts of the world? I don't have the numbers but I'd venture to guess that the number of abortions is a lot more. Isn't this due to the American culture where we think we're God and think nothing of killing a baby because it doesn't fit into our lifestyle at that particular moment?

A teenage girl gets pregnant and the parents trot her off to a butcher to kill the child living inside of her 'cause they want her to go to college and get a good career going before she gets married and has kids. Too bad for the baby to have such bad timing, but hey, cash is king in the US and money is much more important than a human life, right?

I think that, in my opinion, is much more disgusting.

[Bosco 1]

I haven't read this whole thread since I'm too spacey and I'm sure it's just the same old fighting and what not.

I did run across a post though that said that it doesn't matter about culture and how they were raised, etc. . . speaking of the men who agree with honor killings. I want to disagree...it has everything about the culture.

There are some cultures that are completely shocked that abortion is so commonplace in the US. I want to ask those who are so against the MENA men who don't feverishly go against honor-killings...how are they different than American men who think nothing of bringing their girlfriend/wife to an abortion shop to kill an innocent human being before it even has a chance to experience anything this life has to offer? How many babies are killed each and everyday in the US compared to the number of honor killings in MENA and other parts of the world? I don't have the numbers but I'd venture to guess that the number of abortions is a lot more. Isn't this due to the American culture where we think we're God and think nothing of killing a baby because it doesn't fit into our lifestyle at that particular moment?

A teenage girl gets pregnant and the parents trot her off to a butcher to kill the child living inside of her 'cause they want her to go to college and get a good career going before she gets married and has kids. Too bad for the baby to have such bad timing, but hey, cash is king in the US and money is much more important than a human life, right?

I think that, in my opinion, is much more disgusting.

Do you actually think abortion rates are that much lower in other countries? Research Egypt. A survey done of Egyptian women showed an abortion rate only slightly less than the United States. The only difference here the women can do it under sterile conditions and don't have to risk their lives.

[Jenn! 918]

I haven't read this whole thread since I'm too spacey and I'm sure it's just the same old fighting and what not.

I did run across a post though that said that it doesn't matter about culture and how they were raised, etc. . . speaking of the men who agree with honor killings. I want to disagree...it has everything about the culture.

There are some cultures that are completely shocked that abortion is so commonplace in the US. I want to ask those who are so against the MENA men who don't feverishly go against honor-killings...how are they different than American men who think nothing of bringing their girlfriend/wife to an abortion shop to kill an innocent human being before it even has a chance to experience anything this life has to offer? How many babies are killed each and everyday in the US compared to the number of honor killings in MENA and other parts of the world? I don't have the numbers but I'd venture to guess that the number of abortions is a lot more. Isn't this due to the American culture where we think we're God and think nothing of killing a baby because it doesn't fit into our lifestyle at that particular moment?

A teenage girl gets pregnant and the parents trot her off to a butcher to kill the child living inside of her 'cause they want her to go to college and get a good career going before she gets married and has kids. Too bad for the baby to have such bad timing, but hey, cash is king in the US and money is much more important than a human life, right?

I think that, in my opinion, is much more disgusting.

Sure, I see the similarity in what you're saying. But how often do you have someone who is vehemently opposed to abortion that would marry someone who was either pro-choice or indifferent? IMO, if one is willing to agree to disagree with their partner on this type of issue, one really can't be all that vehemently opposed.

[mybackpages 0]

A teenage girl gets pregnant and the parents trot her off to a butcher to kill the child living inside of her 'cause they want her to go to college and get a good career going before she gets married and has kids. Too bad for the baby to have such bad timing, but hey, cash is king in the US and money is much more important than a human life, right?

I think that, in my opinion, is much more disgusting.

Lets for the sake of argument agree that abortion is the taking of a human life. How does that murder become more disgusting than the murder of a wife, daughter or sister? Aren't all murders disgusting?

[peezey 0]

I see nothing similar at all in this analogy, but your post clearly shows your ignorance about abortion. Abortions world wide happen at nearly the same rate amongst all countries. It just seems that the US is the only country with people who find this to be a legal issue amongst the nations with legal abortion.

Angelk posted about orphanages in Jordan, and there are the same in Egypt and every other country with illegal abortion and no adoption policies. These are unwanted children, WITH PARENTS, who would otherwise be on the street doing any number of things to support themselves, including prostituting themselves. This is better?

[Jenn! 918]

I see nothing similar at all in this analogy, but your post clearly shows your ignorance about abortion. Abortions world wide happen at nearly the same rate amongst all countries. It just seems that the US is the only country with people who find this to be a legal issue amongst the nations with legal abortion.

Well, I think she was just pointing out that there are people who are as strongly opposed to abortion as I happen to be to honor killings. I wouldn't expect any of those people to ever want to marry me though!

[mybackpages 0]

Saying someone can support honor killings because it is part of their culture is to not understand the culture. Just because it exisit in the culture doesn't make it part of the culture. Even where it does exisit it is a small percentage of cases. You are likely to find more people against honor killings than for it with in the culture.

Is racism part of American culture? Can I marry a Klansman and justify it by saying its just part of his culture and how he was raised?

[doodlebug 3]

A teenage girl gets pregnant and the parents trot her off to a butcher to kill the child living inside of her 'cause they want her to go to college and get a good career going before she gets married and has kids. Too bad for the baby to have such bad timing, but hey, cash is king in the US and money is much more important than a human life, right?

I think that, in my opinion, is much more disgusting.

Lets for the sake of argument agree that abortion is the taking of a human life. How does that murder become more disgusting than the murder of a wife, daughter or sister? Aren't all murders disgusting?

Yes all murders are disgusting, but the attitude of a LOT of men here in the US towards abortion is so nonchalant and that is what , to me, is more disgusting. Like the pregnancy is just an inconvenient problem needing to be solved.

I see nothing similar at all in this analogy, but your post clearly shows your ignorance about abortion. Abortions world wide happen at nearly the same rate amongst all countries. It just seems that the US is the only country with people who find this to be a legal issue amongst the nations with legal abortion.

Angelk posted about orphanages in Jordan, and there are the same in Egypt and every other country with illegal abortion and no adoption policies. These are unwanted children, WITH PARENTS, who would otherwise be on the street doing any number of things to support themselves, including prostituting themselves. This is better?

Can you show me proof of the amounts of abortions being at nearly the same rate?

[doodlebug 3]

Sure, I see the similarity in what you're saying. But how often do you have someone who is vehemently opposed to abortion that would marry someone who was either pro-choice or indifferent? IMO, if one is willing to agree to disagree with their partner on this type of issue, one really can't be all that vehemently opposed.

I don't get that last sentence....whah?