Honor Killings

[peezey 0]

Please, szsz, tell us ####### support there is for someone who's husband condones this, at the very least, or would potentially engage in it at worst? You're into telling it like it is and telling the truth, including many of your posts here about this topic. I'm not responsible for how you feel, and all that. Again, what the fuc! is support, in your opinion, in this situation?

First, explain to me how her comment merits this reaction. Will you all continue to hold it against her? Is moody a pariah now? Should she just leave and not post anymore?

Who have I ostracized, me just being on the site for a few months? I don't know the woman.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It's not an excuse and its not bogus. I don't even see how you can make such an assesment. Many of the men who believe this come from villages and small cities. When you are raised to believe something is a certain way and everyone around believes the same, then why would they think its wrong? When you have never even been out of your country one time and are not exposed to anything else, why would you think its wrong?

Understanding this behavior and why people think this way is more important that criticizing them. You can't simply dismiss it as bogus and and an excuse when their families have behaved this way for hundreds of years. Being that Jordan, my home country, is one of the top offenders on this list, many of you would not understand why people still believe in these age old customs and traditions.

First of all there is no guarantee that what is said to be done will be done and that goes 2 ways. A man can say he would never lay a hand on his wife and he might get so outraged that he will. On the other hand, he could say that he has no problem killing his daughter if she were to have premarital sex and never be able to carry it out.

I am not shocked at the votes honestly. I expected to see it. If anyone else here has paid attention to people talking about where their fiances and husbands are from and where they have been, its no surprise to me to see some of this age old villager thinking.

I agree with you on this, JP. I think being Arab and closer to the cultures that condone this give us a better understanding of the dynamics even as we do not accept it and are repulsed by it. Something new of this sort can be shocking for those who had never considered it before.

[peezey 0]

I think the excuse that it's how these men are raised is totally bogus. I also think the idea that this is just another one of the world's crazy **things**, is totally ridiculous. This is not something we are all actually totally removed from. We might be able to say that about some other bizarre thing in the world, maybe the Russian poisonings, since I think we are all pretty much totally removed from that. But this idea of murdering women is not a nebulous idea, and is obviously not totally removed from some people's realities here.

I wish those 9 or 10 who said their husband would murder their child or sister would step up, if they feel strong enough to vote that way, they should feel strong enough to comment.

It's not an excuse and its not bogus. I don't even see how you can make such an assesment. Many of the men who believe this come from villages and small cities. When you are raised to believe something is a certain way and everyone around believes the same, then why would they think its wrong? When you have never even been out of your country one time and are not exposed to anything else, why would you think its wrong?

Understanding this behavior and why people think this way is more important that criticizing them. You can't simply dismiss it as bogus and and an excuse when their families have behaved this way for hundreds of years. Being that Jordan, my home country, is one of the top offenders on this list, many of you would not understand why people still believe in these age old customs and traditions.

First of all there is no guarantee that what is said to be done will be done and that goes 2 ways. A man can say he would never lay a hand on his wife and he might get so outraged that he will. On the other hand, he could say that he has no problem killing his daughter if she were to have premarital sex and never be able to carry it out.

I am not shocked at the votes honestly. I expected to see it. If anyone else here has paid attention to people talking about where their fiances and husbands are from and where they have been, its no surprise to me to see some of this age old villager thinking.

Oh, it's totally bogus. There's nothing to learn here except whether or not your husband agrees with this, and if you accept that he does, and use cultural relativism as your excuse for accepting him for that, then it's bogus, bogus, bogus, a thousand times bogus.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

First, explain to me how her comment merits this reaction. Will you all continue to hold it against her? Is moody a pariah now? Should she just leave and not post anymore?

My questions stands. If she's not wanted here anymore, then the subject is moot. If she is free to be here, if she wishes, than a more intelligent way of dealing with her is called for. Beating up on someone may feel good to those who engage in s uch behavior, but it produces no enlightenment.

[Jenn! 918]

Maybe we're arguing different things here. My issue is with being an American woman and accepting the fact that your husband would kill your daughter. I'm excluding the instances where he says he would but he couldn't really do it, or you know that he wouldn't actually do it, he's all talk, etc. *Why* your husband would do it is really irrelevant if your child is dead.

Again, I'm focusing on those 10 kill votes which could very well be fake.

[Ban Hammer 13,113]

Please, szsz, tell us ####### support there is for someone who's husband condones this, at the very least, or would potentially engage in it at worst? You're into telling it like it is and telling the truth, including many of your posts here about this topic. I'm not responsible for how you feel, and all that. Again, what the fuc! is support, in your opinion, in this situation?

First, explain to me how her comment merits this reaction. Will you all continue to hold it against her? Is moody a pariah now? Should she just leave and not post anymore?

Who have I ostracized, me just being on the site for a few months? I don't know the woman.

[ya falaha! 0]

Thank you.

It's not an excuse and its not bogus. I don't even see how you can make such an assesment. Many of the men who believe this come from villages and small cities. When you are raised to believe something is a certain way and everyone around believes the same, then why would they think its wrong? When you have never even been out of your country one time and are not exposed to anything else, why would you think its wrong?

Understanding this behavior and why people think this way is more important that criticizing them. You can't simply dismiss it as bogus and and an excuse when their families have behaved this way for hundreds of years. Being that Jordan, my home country, is one of the top offenders on this list, many of you would not understand why people still believe in these age old customs and traditions.

First of all there is no guarantee that what is said to be done will be done and that goes 2 ways. A man can say he would never lay a hand on his wife and he might get so outraged that he will. On the other hand, he could say that he has no problem killing his daughter if she were to have premarital sex and never be able to carry it out.

I am not shocked at the votes honestly. I expected to see it. If anyone else here has paid attention to people talking about where their fiances and husbands are from and where they have been, its no surprise to me to see some of this age old villager thinking.

[Reynaldo 0]

Maybe we're arguing different things here. My issue is with being an American woman and accepting the fact that your husband would kill your daughter. I'm excluding the instances where he says he would but he couldn't really do it, or you know that he wouldn't actually do it, he's all talk, etc. *Why* your husband would do it is really irrelevant if your child is dead.

Again, I'm focusing on those 10 kill votes which could very well be fake.

I think they are all fake.

Someone that would do it would have stepped up by now...

[ya falaha! 0]

When did I say he said he'd do it? He said his father would. Not him. I have zero fear that my husband would do this. ZERO.

Maybe we're arguing different things here. My issue is with being an American woman and accepting the fact that your husband would kill your daughter. I'm excluding the instances where he says he would but he couldn't really do it, or you know that he wouldn't actually do it, he's all talk, etc. *Why* your husband would do it is really irrelevant if your child is dead.

Again, I'm focusing on those 10 kill votes which could very well be fake.

[peezey 0]

First, explain to me how her comment merits this reaction. Will you all continue to hold it against her? Is moody a pariah now? Should she just leave and not post anymore?

My questions stands. If she's not wanted here anymore, then the subject is moot. If she is free to be here, if she wishes, than a more intelligent way of dealing with her is called for. Beating up on someone may feel good to those who engage in s uch behavior, but it produces no enlightenment.

I don't see anyone telling her to get out. I don't think this is about Moody specifically. She posted, I responded to things she posted. How does that ostracize her? Why don't you answer my question and let me know how it is support and enlightenment would be better bestowed at this point. There isn't a woman here who has said they agree with this behavior, and in fact, have denounced it. It's clearly not a matter of showing anyone the light.

[Ban Hammer 13,113]

Maybe we're arguing different things here. My issue is with being an American woman and accepting the fact that your husband would kill your daughter. I'm excluding the instances where he says he would but he couldn't really do it, or you know that he wouldn't actually do it, he's all talk, etc. *Why* your husband would do it is really irrelevant if your child is dead.

Again, I'm focusing on those 10 kill votes which could very well be fake.

I think they are all fake.

Someone that would do it would have stepped up by now...

unlikely, given the feeding frenzy that has been occuring.......

[jordanianprincess 0]

I think the excuse that it's how these men are raised is totally bogus. I also think the idea that this is just another one of the world's crazy **things**, is totally ridiculous. This is not something we are all actually totally removed from. We might be able to say that about some other bizarre thing in the world, maybe the Russian poisonings, since I think we are all pretty much totally removed from that. But this idea of murdering women is not a nebulous idea, and is obviously not totally removed from some people's realities here.

I wish those 9 or 10 who said their husband would murder their child or sister would step up, if they feel strong enough to vote that way, they should feel strong enough to comment.

It's not an excuse and its not bogus. I don't even see how you can make such an assesment. Many of the men who believe this come from villages and small cities. When you are raised to believe something is a certain way and everyone around believes the same, then why would they think its wrong? When you have never even been out of your country one time and are not exposed to anything else, why would you think its wrong?

Understanding this behavior and why people think this way is more important that criticizing them. You can't simply dismiss it as bogus and and an excuse when their families have behaved this way for hundreds of years. Being that Jordan, my home country, is one of the top offenders on this list, many of you would not understand why people still believe in these age old customs and traditions.

First of all there is no guarantee that what is said to be done will be done and that goes 2 ways. A man can say he would never lay a hand on his wife and he might get so outraged that he will. On the other hand, he could say that he has no problem killing his daughter if she were to have premarital sex and never be able to carry it out.

I am not shocked at the votes honestly. I expected to see it. If anyone else here has paid attention to people talking about where their fiances and husbands are from and where they have been, its no surprise to me to see some of this age old villager thinking.

Oh, it's totally bogus. There's nothing to learn here except whether or not your husband agrees with this, and if you accept that he does, and use cultural relativism as your excuse for accepting him for that, then it's bogus, bogus, bogus, a thousand times bogus.

So you think the reason WHYa man believes this is not important? I think the fact that you are dismissing this with very little knowledge about it is what is bogus. I think if you did a little digging into your husbands family and friends you would be surprised at what you would find.

I also don't put past many arabic men to agree with this sick behavior in front of other arabic men for the sake of pleasing the crowd. When you marry someone of another culture you need to do your best to understand their ways of thinking. There are many customs and traditions besides this one that are wrong in my eyes, but understanding their origin and why people believe that way is part of solving the problem.

Do you think that if people in the Middle East took the stance you are taking now, do you actually think they would be able to reach out and change anything? They wouldn't. I think alot of this, as SZSZ said goes way beyond what people here are willing to accept because they are non-arab. I don't accept it or condone it and neither does my family but we do understand it because my families ancestors are bedouin. My great-grandmother lived in a goat hair tent in the desert and these customs were theirs. In my family the custom died, in others it didn't.

[Reynaldo 0]

When did I say he said he'd do it? He said his father would. Not him. I have zero fear that my husband would do this. ZERO.

But does he accept it?

If he thinks it is right to do it, what keeps him from doing it?

[Jenn! 918]

When did I say he said he'd do it? He said his father would. Not him. I have zero fear that my husband would do this. ZERO.

Maybe we're arguing different things here. My issue is with being an American woman and accepting the fact that your husband would kill your daughter. I'm excluding the instances where he says he would but he couldn't really do it, or you know that he wouldn't actually do it, he's all talk, etc. *Why* your husband would do it is really irrelevant if your child is dead.

Again, I'm focusing on those 10 kill votes which could very well be fake.

I thought I made it clear that I was not referring to you moody.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...st&p=648473

[Reynaldo 0]

unlikely, given the feeding frenzy that has been occuring.......

yeah, who voted got the ballz to kill their daughter/sister, but ain't got the ballz to step up in a forum.