Divorce document help: Brazil

[BOYD 0]

Hello everyone,

I am a US citizen planning to marry a Brazilian in Manaus, Brazil. I have problem registering the intent to marry with the cartario.

What I apparently need is a "Divorce Declaration" from the County I divorced in: in this case cook county illinois.

What i sent was the 8 page document submitted to Cook County (Chicago, IL)- the Amendended Judgement for Dissolution of Marriage. This is the final divorce document. It is dated and stamped by the judge at Cook County. I used this same document for my US citizenship to establish my divorced status. My 2003 naturalization certificate bears the marital status of “divorced” on it.

I still don’t know how much the Cartario even looked over the document, or if they were looking for something specific and not seeing it, did not look over the rest of the 8 page document with translation.

My fiancee writes:

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Eu tentarei ser mais especifica:

Eu levei seus documentos no cartorio, e o que eles disseram que estar tudo ok..

exceto sobre seu divorcio, não precisava traduzir tudo o que voce mandou é apenas um documento que é entregue depois do divorcio que se chama DECLARAÇÃO DE DIVORCIO, esse documento servirá para declarar que você não é mais casado, na verdade voce deveria receber este documentos após seu divorcio.

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Last week I had my immigration lawyer in Chicago go to Cook County to get an updated judgement/declaration. I thought this would be the answer… but it is the same document. Only difference is that the new one has court stamps dated Dec 27th 2006 stating it is a certified copy. Same document.

Any thoughts?

I also read somewhere that a US citizen can go to a US consulate in Brazil and obtain some kind of document that establishes marriage status for use in a Brazilian marriage. Is this true?

Thanks for your help.

Boyd

[Ban Hammer 13,343]

boyd, don't know much about the divorce paperwork needed in brazil but it sounds like you are planning a k-3 visa. is that correct? if so, why not a k-1 fiance visa instead?

[Thatchi 0]

I also read somewhere that a US citizen can go to a US consulate in Brazil and obtain some kind of document that establishes marriage status for use in a Brazilian marriage. Is this true?

Thanks for your help.

Boyd

I guess the same way we brazilians that married in US, have to register the marriage at the brazilian consulate, if you get married in Brazil you would have to register with the american consulate there...

For the first part of your post, i really have no idea...hope somebody else can help you!

And Good Luck !

[BOYD 0]

boyd, don't know much about the divorce paperwork needed in brazil but it sounds like you are planning a k-3 visa. is that correct? if so, why not a k-1 fiance visa instead?

Because my fiancee would like to marry in Brazil, and in my area of the country (Maryland) a K3 will probably work out to be faster.

[JaJo 1]

Hello everyone,

I am a US citizen planning to marry a Brazilian in Manaus, Brazil. I have problem registering the intent to marry with the cartario.

What I apparently need is a "Divorce Declaration" from the County I divorced in: in this case cook county illinois.

What i sent was the 8 page document submitted to Cook County (Chicago, IL)- the Amendended Judgement for Dissolution of Marriage. This is the final divorce document. It is dated and stamped by the judge at Cook County. I used this same document for my US citizenship to establish my divorced status. My 2003 naturalization certificate bears the marital status of “divorced” on it.

I still don’t know how much the Cartario even looked over the document, or if they were looking for something specific and not seeing it, did not look over the rest of the 8 page document with translation.

My fiancee writes:

----

Eu tentarei ser mais especifica:

Eu levei seus documentos no cartorio, e o que eles disseram que estar tudo ok..

exceto sobre seu divorcio, não precisava traduzir tudo o que voce mandou é apenas um documento que é entregue depois do divorcio que se chama DECLARAÇÃO DE DIVORCIO, esse documento servirá para declarar que você não é mais casado, na verdade voce deveria receber este documentos após seu divorcio.

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Last week I had my immigration lawyer in Chicago go to Cook County to get an updated judgement/declaration. I thought this would be the answer… but it is the same document. Only difference is that the new one has court stamps dated Dec 27th 2006 stating it is a certified copy. Same document.

Any thoughts?

I also read somewhere that a US citizen can go to a US consulate in Brazil and obtain some kind of document that establishes marriage status for use in a Brazilian marriage. Is this true?

Thanks for your help.

Boyd

Sometimes people working in cartorios are more stupid than needed... I'm no expert, but your papers seem to be ok. Maybe whoever got your papers was lazy and didn't want to read through all of it.

When people get divorced here, they get a single sheet document stating they are divorced and it's attached to the marriage certificate. It's possible that when the notary was presented with such a big document from your fiancé, they got confused, since it's not what they are used to see.

What you two might try to do is talk some sense into those guys. Try to explain that is the way it is done in the US, or, you can try to go to the court house where you got your divorce and ask them for a simple statment from them saying "yes, he is divorced".

Notarise the documents, people here loooooooooove stamps and signatures (makes any piece of paper looks like it's "official")

Good luck

Edited January 3, 2007 by JaJo

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http://www.embaixada-americana.org.br/inde...amp;itemmenu=58

Evidence of termination of prior marriage: (if applicable) If you are divorced or widowed, you may be required to present previous marriage, divorce or death certificates as applicable. If the documents are not from Brazil, they must be authenticated by the Brazilian Embassy or Consulate in the country of origin and translated into Portuguese by a sworn public translator. Divorce decrees from countries other than Brazil must also be legalized by the Supreme Tribunal Federal in Brasilia. This procedure generally requires the assistance of a Brazilian attorney. A list of attorneys is available at the U.S. Embassy or Consulate.

Our son got married in Manaus, Brazil. We had to jump through many hoops including getting a certified copy of his birth certificate certified at two different locations.

This is the US embassy in Brazil information page that may help you. I copied the part pertaining to divorce certificates but you might want to read the entire page.

Good Luck.

[BOYD 0]

Thanks everyone so far. Yes, I have had all the appropriate documents notarized, county and state certification, and stamped officially by the Brazilian Embassy here in Washington DC. Dont know how else to make them more official. I believe it is this "one page" stating the divorce being official and attached to the marriage certificate. Not done that way here.

Thanks for the reference to the US Consolate in Rio.

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Our best to you. I understand. After we had to have his official certified birth certificate certified by the attorney general of the state of Ohio and then sent on to Washington, dc to have it certified by the Brazilian official at that location, I began to believe anything. We also spent many hours at the Brazilian consulate in Los Angeles having certified things re-certified and they had neither one been married before.

When they finally got all their documentation together here in the US, it took them another 30 days in Brazil to get married. They were married in Manaus with 500 other couples.

Our son did not understand anything they were saying and by the time she translated for him what they were saying they were married.

They are in Manaus currently for the holidays. He will return to the US on Tuesday.

Divorce decrees from countries other than Brazil must also be legalized by the Supreme Tribunal Federal in Brasilia. This procedure generally requires the assistance of a Brazilian attorney. A list of attorneys is available at the U.S. Embassy or Consulate. Is this the one giving you trouble?

Edited January 4, 2007 by scroll