‘Daily Show’ obliterates Fox News Confederate apologist: ‘I just un-f###d your facts’

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Jon Stewart and The Daily Show’s “senior black correspondent,” Larry Wilmore, drove a stake through Confederate apologists’ arguments Monday night in an epic segment.

Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano said during a Feb. 14 panel discussion that he held a “contrarian position” on Abraham Lincoln, and Stewart played a video clip of his claims.

Napolitano argued that the 16th president could have avoided the “murderous” Civil War if he’d allowed slavery to die a “natural death,” as it had elsewhere – which Wilmore bitterly disputed.

“The South was so committed to slavery that Lincoln didn’t die of natural causes,” he said. “If the free market was just about to end slavery then, then why is it still going on in some places 150 years later? Slave trade is the literal exact opposite of ‘free market.’”

Stewart pointed out that Napolitano’s viewpoint was shared by some libertarians and other Confederate apologists, and that an entire industry had sprung up around their particular school of thought.

“Do they teach history at this school?” Wilmore said. “Because their facts are all f*cked up. These people think Lincoln started the Civil War because the North was ready to kill to end slavery when the truth was, the South was ready to die to keep slavery. You’re welcome, libertarians, I just un-f*cked your facts.”

Wilmore said the underlying flaw in Napolitano’s economic argument was that it assumed human beings should be considered property, and he played clips of the Fox News analyst making arguments in favor of what he considered to be morally just wars – such as the American Revolution.

“So it was heroic to fight for the proposition that all men are created equal, but when there’s a war to enforce that proposition, that’s wack?” Wilmore said. “You know, there’s something not right when you feel the only black thing worth fighting for is tea. But I get it, I get it. That’s a good war, because that’s about taxes.”

He played another clip that showed Napolitano raging against taxation, which he called immoral, government-sanctioned theft.

“You think it’s immoral for the government to reach into your pocket, rip your money away from its warm home and claim it as its own property, money that used to enjoy unfettered freedom is now conscripted to do whatever its new owner tells it to,” Wilmore said. “Now, I know this is going to be a leap, but you know that sadness and rage you feel about your money? Well, that’s the way some of us feel about people.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/25/daily-show-obliterates-fox-news-confederate-apologist-i-just-un-fcked-your-facts/

Edited February 25, 2014 by Porterhouse

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Faux News. What do you expect?

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/25/daily-show-obliterates-fox-news-confederate-apologist-i-just-un-fcked-your-facts/

when in fact none of the above positions are correct. The war was mostly about states rights,slavery being just one of them

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I wish people could just accept the sins of the past and not try to revise or justify.

For the US it was slavery and attacks upon the native populations.

For the UK it was concentration camps (the invention there of) and other colonial actions.

For Japan it was the Nanjing Massacre and comfort women.

For China, it was tiananmen square

You get the picture.

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From the mouth of the great man himself................

Springfield, Illinois

August 15, 1855

Hon: Geo. Robertson

Lexington, Ky

My Dear Sir:

The volume you left for me has been received. I am really grateful for the honor of your kind remembrance, as well as for the book. The partial reading I have already given it, has afforded me much of both pleasure and instruction. It was new to me that the exact question which led to the Missouri compromise, had arisen before it arose in regard to Missouri; and that you had taken so prominent a part in it. Your short, but able and patriotic speech upon that occasion, has not been improved upon since, by those holding the same views; and, with all the lights you then had, the views you took appear to me as very reasonable.

You are not a friend of slavery in the abstract. In that speech you spoke of "the peaceful extinction of slavery" and used other expressions indicating your belief that the thing was, at some time, to have an end[.] Since then we have had thirty six years of experience; and this experience has demonstrated, I think, that there is no peaceful extinction of slavery in prospect for us. The signal failure of Henry Clay, and other good and great men, in 1849, to effect anything in favor of gradual emancipation in Kentucky, together with a thousand other signs, extinguishes that hope utterly. On the question of liberty, as a principle, we are not what we have been. When we were the political slaves of King George, and wanted to be free, we called the maxim that "all men are created equal" a self evident truth; but now when we have grown fat, and have lost all dread of being slaves ourselves, we have become so greedy to be masters that we call the same maxim "a self evident lie." The fourth of July has not quite dwindled away; it is still a great day for burning fire-crackers!!!

That spirit which desired the peaceful extinction of slavery, has itself become extinct, with the occasion, and the men of the Revolution. Under the impulse of that occasion, nearly half the states adopted systems of emancipation at once; and it is a significant fact, that not a single state has done the like since. So far as peaceful, voluntary emancipation is concerned, the condition of the negro slave in America, scarcely less terrible to the contemplation of a free mind, is now as fixed, and hopeless of change for the better, as that of the lost souls of the finally impenitent. The Autocrat of all the Russias will resign his crown, and proclaim his subjects free republicans sooner than will our American masters voluntarily give up their slaves.

Our political problem now is "Can we, as a nation, continue together permanently -- forever -- half slave, and half free?" The problem is too mighty for me. May God, in his mercy, superintend the solution.

Your much obliged friend, and humble servant

A. Lincoln

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From the mouth of the great man himself................

Springfield, Illinois

August 15, 1855

Hon: Geo. Robertson

Lexington, Ky

My Dear Sir:

The volume you left for me has been received. I am really grateful for the honor of your kind remembrance, as well as for the book. The partial reading I have already given it, has afforded me much of both pleasure and instruction. It was new to me that the exact question which led to the Missouri compromise, had arisen before it arose in regard to Missouri; and that you had taken so prominent a part in it. Your short, but able and patriotic speech upon that occasion, has not been improved upon since, by those holding the same views; and, with all the lights you then had, the views you took appear to me as very reasonable.

You are not a friend of slavery in the abstract. In that speech you spoke of "the peaceful extinction of slavery" and used other expressions indicating your belief that the thing was, at some time, to have an end[.] Since then we have had thirty six years of experience; and this experience has demonstrated, I think, that there is no peaceful extinction of slavery in prospect for us. The signal failure of Henry Clay, and other good and great men, in 1849, to effect anything in favor of gradual emancipation in Kentucky, together with a thousand other signs, extinguishes that hope utterly. On the question of liberty, as a principle, we are not what we have been. When we were the political slaves of King George, and wanted to be free, we called the maxim that "all men are created equal" a self evident truth; but now when we have grown fat, and have lost all dread of being slaves ourselves, we have become so greedy to be masters that we call the same maxim "a self evident lie." The fourth of July has not quite dwindled away; it is still a great day for burning fire-crackers!!!

That spirit which desired the peaceful extinction of slavery, has itself become extinct, with the occasion, and the men of the Revolution. Under the impulse of that occasion, nearly half the states adopted systems of emancipation at once; and it is a significant fact, that not a single state has done the like since. So far as peaceful, voluntary emancipation is concerned, the condition of the negro slave in America, scarcely less terrible to the contemplation of a free mind, is now as fixed, and hopeless of change for the better, as that of the lost souls of the finally impenitent. The Autocrat of all the Russias will resign his crown, and proclaim his subjects free republicans sooner than will our American masters voluntarily give up their slaves.

Our political problem now is "Can we, as a nation, continue together permanently -- forever -- half slave, and half free?" The problem is too mighty for me. May God, in his mercy, superintend the solution.

Your much obliged friend, and humble servant

A. Lincoln

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-Still p0wn'n Seceshs 150 years later from da grave son!

Filthy lies! You made that up, didn't you?

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Filthy lies! You made that up, didn't you?

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If you guys thought that was epic, you should watch the show more often. It's fairly par for the course. But sometimes liberal for the sake of being liberal. I appreciate people's anger at the Michael Dunn case but the daily show completely presented the result as an aquittal. The hung jury or 1st/2nd degree wasn't mentioned. Just that it was ok to kill blacks in Floridia. I don't believe this type of presentation of stories is overly productive either.

They do well with fox and tea party folks. But them's folks are easy pickins

Btw, some kentuckians, like my ancestors fought for the north! Plus Mr Lincoln is a Kentuckian by birth, so suck it Illinois.

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I knew it!

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If you guys thought that was epic, you should watch the show more often. It's fairly par for the course. But sometimes liberal for the sake of being liberal. I appreciate people's anger at the Michael Dunn case but the daily show completely presented the result as an aquittal. The hung jury or 1st/2nd degree wasn't mentioned. Just that it was ok to kill blacks in Floridia. I don't believe this type of presentation of stories is overly productive either.

They do well with fox and tea party folks. But them's folks are easy pickins

Btw, some kentuckians, like my ancestors fought for the north! Plus Mr Lincoln is a Kentuckian by birth, so suck it Illinois.

It's not, but it's what a lot of black people feel this is true. I said it a year ago, I hoped they would convict Michael Dunn on his murder, but I knew, deep down, it was going to be a long shot at best.

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It's not, but it's what a lot of black people feel this is true. I said it a year ago, I hoped they would convict Michael Dunn on his murder, but I knew, deep down, it was going to be a long shot at best.

I know you feel that way. However, making it look even more that way by leaving out some key words is a disservice to the conversation IMO.

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I know you feel that way. However, making it look even more that way by leaving out some key words is a disservice to the conversation IMO.

Problem is, they did try him for 2nd degree and manslaughter. The 2-3 people that hung the jury honestly believed it was self defense. This wasn't a case of overreaching on the convictions. It's not like the Zimmerman case where you have shoddy evidence and no real witnesses.

Even with 3 witnesses that had no records, no weapon found, and a suspect that acted more thuggish than the music he couldn't stand, 3 people on that jury thought Jordan was such a threat that he HAD to defend himself by shooting a gun ten times into a vehicle full of teens. He was trying to murder that kid. He did. And according to the ruling, it was justified.

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Problem is, they did try him for 2nd degree and manslaughter. The 2-3 people that hung the jury honestly believed it was self defense. This wasn't a case of overreaching on the convictions. It's not like the Zimmerman case where you have shoddy evidence and no real witnesses.

Even with 3 witnesses that had no records, no weapon found, and a suspect that acted more thuggish than the music he couldn't stand, 3 people on that jury thought Jordan was such a threat that he HAD to defend himself by shooting a gun ten times into a vehicle full of teens. He was trying to murder that kid. He did. And according to the ruling, it was justified.

Yeah yeah, we've been through this. None of this was on the daily show's exposé. My point was, they did a crappy job presenting what actually happened. They basically just sh!t all over Florida and said it was ok to kill black people there.

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Yeah yeah, we've been through this. None of this was on the daily show's exposé. My point was, they did a crappy job presenting what actually happened. They basically just sh!t all over Florida and said it was ok to kill black people there.

Agreed, and it hurts the conversation more than it helps it. I love The Daily Show, but I like them to at least remain somewhat objective when reporting something.