PREGNANT women and flying

[Foray666 2]

Thank you all for the replies, while some of them were opinionated, others were factual and true, especially Aaron2020...

I am going through a difficult time in my life. My father had a stroke 2 days ago, and now the doctor is saying he got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. They're giving him a little over a year to live. My lone grandmother (out of 4 grandparents) asking me to be there for dad; while I am not against this, when I went to see my dad his answers shocked me; I always thought he'd be the one to be supportive of my fiancee, and my unborn child...instead, he asked me to take a paternal DNA test, and to file a pre nuptial agreement, do not trust this filipina...

I am already hurt and depressed and stressed out. I don't know what to do. I send my fiancee money every week. I've followed the K-1 visa flow chart on this web site and for the past 2 months ever since I got the NOA2 back in December? I've asked her if she's received the "packet" that has all the necessary information and documents she needs to fill out as per the requirement. She keeps telling me nothing has arrived, yet, she took the medical exam on Feb. 12th, and now her interview is on Mar. 3rd.

I'm asking the VJ community; what should I do? From when I left the Philippines back in June 2013, I had no doubt that the baby is mine; my father is a very very very wise man, a man of few words, but when he does/did speak, you better definitely listen to him; I did file for FMLA through my work, then (BECAUSE OF HER) I cancelled the FMLA because she, and her father, ensured me she would be in Hawaii by Valentines day. (Feb 14th.) Well that came and went, and she still ain't here. When I "called her bluff" and said "I'm flying to the PI to witness the birth of my son," she said, "...does that mean that I won't be able to come to Hawaii ...?"

I see videos on YouTube about hospitals in Manila where BIRTH is FREE. Over 2000 births daily. If you were me, what questions would you ask her? It seems the more and more closer it gets to the due date, the less communication we are having. She claims her phone got stolen on a jeepney, and can only use her now work email to contact me.

Right now I'm looking at $1200-$1300 USD to fly from HAWAII to PI for the entire month of March just to be with her and witness the birth. But I fear for my ailing father.

Pray for me.

Mahalo from Hawaii-

[canusa920 11]

Hello all,

As my unborn son's due date gets closer and closer, I am getting more and more stressed out. I just want honest, truthful answers.

His due date is 03-12-2014.

My fiancee said her medical exam was on 02-12-2014, she passed it, but had to pick a "slotted time" for her interview schedule. She told me her interview will be on 03-03-2014.

My questions:

How long is the turn around time for the VISA after the interview?

Secondly, I've heard many people say airlines (or whoever) won't let pregnant women fly when they are 37-40 weeks along? Is this true or not? Any true answers are gratefully appreciated!!!

Worried in Hawaii

I flew at 38 weeks pregnant, never had any issues.

[Me_Theo 25]

Don't be sad from your dad , he is right. You should listen to him.

Please ,let us to know , The baby is yours after you find out .

Hope everything is going well to you , your dad and your family.

Edited February 25, 2014 by Me_Theo

[Boiler 45,665]

Thank you all for the replies, while some of them were opinionated, others were factual and true, especially Aaron2020...

I am going through a difficult time in my life. My father had a stroke 2 days ago, and now the doctor is saying he got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. They're giving him a little over a year to live. My lone grandmother (out of 4 grandparents) asking me to be there for dad; while I am not against this, when I went to see my dad his answers shocked me; I always thought he'd be the one to be supportive of my fiancee, and my unborn child...instead, he asked me to take a paternal DNA test, and to file a pre nuptial agreement, do not trust this filipina...

I am already hurt and depressed and stressed out. I don't know what to do. I send my fiancee money every week. I've followed the K-1 visa flow chart on this web site and for the past 2 months ever since I got the NOA2 back in December? I've asked her if she's received the "packet" that has all the necessary information and documents she needs to fill out as per the requirement. She keeps telling me nothing has arrived, yet, she took the medical exam on Feb. 12th, and now her interview is on Mar. 3rd.

I'm asking the VJ community; what should I do? From when I left the Philippines back in June 2013, I had no doubt that the baby is mine; my father is a very very very wise man, a man of few words, but when he does/did speak, you better definitely listen to him; I did file for FMLA through my work, then (BECAUSE OF HER) I cancelled the FMLA because she, and her father, ensured me she would be in Hawaii by Valentines day. (Feb 14th.) Well that came and went, and she still ain't here. When I "called her bluff" and said "I'm flying to the PI to witness the birth of my son," she said, "...does that mean that I won't be able to come to Hawaii ...?"

I see videos on YouTube about hospitals in Manila where BIRTH is FREE. Over 2000 births daily. If you were me, what questions would you ask her? It seems the more and more closer it gets to the due date, the less communication we are having. She claims her phone got stolen on a jeepney, and can only use her now work email to contact me.

Right now I'm looking at $1200-$1300 USD to fly from HAWAII to PI for the entire month of March just to be with her and witness the birth. But I fear for my ailing father.

Pray for me.

Mahalo from Hawaii-

That sounds odd, very odd.

[Foray666 2]

My father passed away..he is gone.

Now, through this difficult time, I try to turn my attention to my fiancee and unborn child. I know not what to expect next. I have not initiated communication with her not only because of my father, but of the lies? or information she is withholding from me...

Tomorrow (03-03-2014) is her interview. She claims to have passed the medical exam. She is 38 weeks. Or maybe not. I haven't seen a picture of her since January since her cell phone got stolen on a jeepney. Or so she claims.

The ball may be in her court, but I will let her find her own way of paying for a plane fare to Hawaii to get married. If she gives birth in the PI, we need to talk. That wasn't part of the deal. Yes, she may be telling the truth, and there was nothing that could be done on her end to "speed up the process", but still. Why lie about it?

First she said she'd be here in Hawaii by Valentine's day.

Then she said at the end of the month. February.

Now she said it'll only take a couple days to receive her visa once she passes the interview, and she'll be on a plane to Hawaii.

According to Aaron2020's response, that's not gonna happen.

Also, I called Philippines Airlines myself, spoke to a lovely gal, who was very friendly, polite, and helpful. She said: The E.M.I.S. (Expectant Mother form) is only for women 32-35 weeks. PAL does NOT allow women over 35 weeks to fly.

Perhaps my fiancee is going to travel on another airlines. I wouldn't know.

But what I do know is, she hasn't even asked about my dad since last Wednesday when I told her he suffered a stroke. I'm very disappointed indeed. Part of me wants to believe in her, the other half, does not now. Call it what you will, I still have the final say: the law states: we have 90 days to marry upon entry into the United States. If not, the immigrant will be deported back to their home country.

Any theories or suggestions or positive thoughts and prayers are appreciated...

Discombobulated in Hawaii~

[Boggy1974 124]

Sorry for your loss with your dad's passing. Please accept my sympathies and condolences.

I don't have any specific advice to add, except these questions;

1. What exactly did she lie to you about? Is it when she said she will be arriving on such & such date and the dates kept changing? Do you realize her arrival in Hawaii is out of her control? For goodness sake she has no visa in hand yet. So it's not possible for her to give you a firm date of arrival.

2. Do you also realize it is very possible that her phone was stolen? Do you have reason(s) not to believe her?...Is there a past history to make you doubt her? If she has lied to you in the past about simple things, then I can understand how you're feeling. Are you feeding on what was said by your dad or hearsay by friends & family? In any case, give your lady the benefit of the doubt on the phone and her arrival date.

3. I'm sure you're aware that pregnant women go through a lot of changes. She is going through very serious biological, psychological, physiological and emotional ups & downs that we as men can not imagine. These changes might explain why she is being distant lately and not responding as often & promptly as she used to with your communications. My wife keep telling me how she is going through this changes and being forgetful of simple things she easily did before pregnancy and I'm wondering hmmm... But I have to accept it and take her word for it because I haven't been pregnant before. I carry a little keg around (NOT six pack) and it's hard doing that... how much more carrying a 35 or 36 weeks bulge around. lol.lol.

I hope you reflect on all this and give your lady some slack.

For your peace of mind though, let her have the baby and get a DNA test asap. Stay strong and best of luck!

Edited March 2, 2014 by Boggy1974

[Foray666 2]

Well...it appears my fiancee gave birth. Without my knowing. Or telling me. Gee, Thanks. He was born on February 27th, a healthy 9lb baby boy.

Unfortunately, my father passed away on February 26th, comfortably and peacefully, with dignity and comfort.

I will bury my father on March 14th.

She rescheduled her interview for March 12th. Due to child birth. So now the main question remains:

Is is possible to bring both of them to Hawaii assuming she passes the interview? According to the few bits and pieces I've read on the CRBA stuff, it seems I might have to fly to the PI because they want both parents present, with DNA testing and whatnot. I haven't read the rules in detail yet.

Any advice, or helpful suggestions appreciated.

They say bad things come in three's....my dad's passing, my car has a major oil leak, and I need to get my root canal done this friday. Hooray. Hopefully thats the last of the bad stuff to happen to me...

-Still worried in Hawaii-

[Me_Theo 25]

I am so sorry for your lost.

I think ,

1- she takes the DNA test from herself and the baby in Philippines and send to you the both DNA results,

2- and you take your DNA in your state.

3-check out the baby is yours or no by ((USA doctor)).

4-If the baby is yours, after March 14th make a plan to go to vist them in her country.

Before your Dad's bury, DO NOT make decision for her travel or alse.

Tell her"Don't come in USA Before USA doctor's answer."

By this way you will save your money and protect yourself by any damage.

Edited March 6, 2014 by Me_Theo

[Ryan E 10]

The child will need a CRBA to travel. The relevant page from the embassy is: http://manila.usembassy.gov/service/citizenship/first-time-report-of-birth-abroad7.html Take a look at the checklist.

They strongly recommend both parents are present. Someone with more experience in Manila may be able to comment about how important this is and any peculiarities for Philippines. Based on the information provided on their site it looks like you will need to provide some notarized documents if you cannot attend.

When I did it for my son (another embassy) it took about 10 days for the CRBA certificate. It was going to take another 10 days for the passport, but because I wanted to travel sooner they printed a 1 year emergency passport in a day. I later exchanged that for a regular one.

Please note that the guidelines indicate that they must initiate the DNA test if required and will not accept one done independently. Instead they want evidence that you were in the country with the mother at the time of conception.

[Foray666 2]

Thanks all. Well it looks like I'll be going back to the Philippines to petition for my son and get his passport as well. I kinda looked over the checklist, I need 2 passport photos (again) and some other stuff, I've talked with my fiancee and we're debating on whether or not to get a condo that is close between her job, home, and Manila (Roxas BLVD.)

FMLA is set in place for work. Just gotta talk to the bosses now. Should be good to go.

Friends, help me pray she passes her interview on March 12th.

Root canal: not done. f'n dentist is a joke. and he charged me. Im livid. Gotta try set up another time? (seriously?) to finish the root canal. between now and the 14th. Then, gotta make appt with regular dentist for the dental crown. (Looking at $900 AFTER insurance kicks in. OUCH.)

Cheapest flight I found so far was United Airlines, $924 for round trip for about 1 month stay.

Then I'm looking to bring about $1,500 for spending, condo, entertainment, my son, her family, etc.

If anybody got a TIME FRAME on HOW LONG this process takes to get my son to Hawaii, I'm all ears.

Thank you again for your continued support.

[Ryan E 10]

If anybody got a TIME FRAME on HOW LONG this process takes to get my son to Hawaii, I'm all ears.

Best answer will come from someone with experience in Manilla and/or an e-mail to the embassy to inquire. In my case, we traveled when my son was 3 weeks old. I started the embassy process at 1 week because it took a little time to recover and to get the birth certificate.

If the embassy really needs/wants/willing to they can issue an emergency passport in a few hours. I don't think they "need" to wait for the CRBA to come from DC.

[Ryan E 10]

Here is a thread where someone posted the timeline for CRBA in Manila. Seems the appointment can take a while to schedule: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/485016-k1-k2-visas/ the one month for CRBA and Passport.

[Foray666 2]

Thanks for the replies Ryan E...

$483 later and a sore jaw...my root canal is done.

This rain cloud won't let up over my head. My fiancee said: the embassy "1st step told me I did not confirm my appt today, so I was tagged as a NO SHOW."

Whatever that means. I set my appt to get a TEMPORARY COVERING, or so my dentist called it next week March 22nd. I need to call and ask my dentist how soon can the real crown be put on. If so, I will make amends by bending my FMLA dates; (after all, it's pointless to fly there besides the obvious fact to see and be with my son for the first time) since my fiancee hasn't even taken her interview yet!!!!!

FMLA is set from March 23rd to April 22nd; playing around with United Airlines web site, its $924 round trip for me by leaving Honolulu on march 23, 30, or April 6th, so I got some wiggle room.

She wants me to go to the PI ASAP, but I'm thinking, that's a lot of money to just cruise up there and wait for this whole process to finish-- am I right in thinking this way? Or should I leave ASAP, pending any problems for my son's passport/CRBA?

Hurting in Hawaii,

Vicodin rocks~

[Ryan E 10]

I think your issues has shifted from visa/immigration to relationship issues...

I'm not a counselor, don't know the full story, nor have personal experience with this particular issue but my recommendation would be to put the visa/crba/passport issues aside and go see your son/fiance. Focus on fixing the relationship, then dealing with the paperwork. Even if you get your son's paperwork fixed it will not be much help without your fiance's --- and it seems her's will take a while.

Also think about getting your dental work done in the Philippines. I'm guessing there should be some nice clinics that will get your mouth put back together for a fraction of the price.

Contact the embassy, try to get an appointment for the CRBA and Passport during your visit. If this isn't possible, then see if they will let you do it from abroad and get the paperwork notarized in Hawaii so you can give it to your fiance and she can finish that process.

[Darnell 8,478]

what? she still not interview on the 12th at Manila IV? oh my.

as to the child, yup - needs CRBA. Her IV Appointment and CRBA are seperate, sounds like she has a really really bad coach there in the PI.