Scientists look to straighten homosexual sheep

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh, I see I'm still being quoted....Is that a good thing?

Anyone care to research the issue of redifining the "family" issue as it pertains to gays? Most people view the gay issue as a "victimless crime" and shrug their shoulders and walk away.....

A very liberal Hollywood has acclimarted, or at least wore us out, to the idea that gay lifestyles are "normal" and harmless......

Brokeback, anyone? Ellen anyone?

These are attempts by liberals to make normal something that most of us know, intuitively, to be very abnormal.......

BTW, homphobic is simply a sanitized label to attribute to those of us that are bigoted against gays...

Where does this "intuition" come from? That's kind of what I was getting at.... Unspoken assumptions arising out of an unconsciously accepted social construct.

If we're going to look at homosexuality - you might want to look at the high rates of depression and suicide compared with heterosexuals? How much of that depression is the result of an unwillingness to conform to that social construct and the pressure that is put on people who refuse to conform to expected norms of behaviour?

Edited January 3, 2007 by erekose

[garya505 2]

Oh, I see I'm still being quoted....Is that a good thing?

Anyone care to research the issue of redifining the "family" issue as it pertains to gays? Most people view the gay issue as a "victimless crime" and shrug their shoulders and walk away.....

A very liberal Hollywood has acclimarted, or at least wore us out, to the idea that gay lifestyles are "normal" and harmless......

Brokeback, anyone? Ellen anyone?

These are attempts by liberals to make normal something that most of us know, intuitively, to be very abnormal.......

BTW, homphobic is simply a sanitized label to attribute to those of us that are bigoted against gays...

Where does this "intuition" come from? That's kind of what I was getting at.... Unspoken assumptions arising out of an unconsciously accepted social construct.

If we're going to look at homosexuality - you might want to look at the high rates of depression and suicide compared with heterosexuals? How much of that depression is the result of an unwillingness to conform to that social construct and the pressure that is put on people who refuse to conform to expected norms of behaviour?

You are suggesting that social pressure contributes to their depression and suicides. How much of it might be a result of other personal problems they have, considering a large percentage of gays probably have other facets of their lifestyle that are also "unconventional". For example, don't gay men tend to have shorter relationships and more partners than straight men, which would mean more "break-ups" that could lead to depression?

[kaydee457 13]

This pretty much encapsulates the social costs to society in allowing same sex marriages and is the primary reason more states have not come forward to allow such unions.........

This differs drastically from the United States, where family law has been often used to reflect the religious values of politicians in office (which may reflect the views of their constituent majority, as opposed to their constituent minority), and as a punitive force to enforce the personal values of this group. That is, U.S. family law is often written in such a way to reward those who choose to create a family structure that is in line with the personal values of those in office, and to punish those who choose to create a family structure that such legislators personally disapprove of. (It is ironic to note that many American politicians, who in decades past attacked gay rights on the basis of the alleged promiscuity of gay men, now attack gay rights for on the basis of gay couples’ desire to make a permanent and legally enforceable commitment to one another.)

How is such a punitive family law structure enforced in the U.S.? By attaching a great number of benefits, financial and otherwise, to the marriage certificate. Those who receive a marriage certificate in the U.S. are ‘rewarded’ with a great number of government benefits, such as tax benefits, social security benefits, immigration benefits (for a foreign partner), health insurance and corporate benefits, and hundreds of other legal benefits. Those who do not, or cannot, marry their partner are punished by being denied such benefits, even if their tax dollars are used to pay for such benefits to other couples who can marry.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh, I see I'm still being quoted....Is that a good thing?

Anyone care to research the issue of redifining the "family" issue as it pertains to gays? Most people view the gay issue as a "victimless crime" and shrug their shoulders and walk away.....

A very liberal Hollywood has acclimarted, or at least wore us out, to the idea that gay lifestyles are "normal" and harmless......

Brokeback, anyone? Ellen anyone?

These are attempts by liberals to make normal something that most of us know, intuitively, to be very abnormal.......

BTW, homphobic is simply a sanitized label to attribute to those of us that are bigoted against gays...

Where does this "intuition" come from? That's kind of what I was getting at.... Unspoken assumptions arising out of an unconsciously accepted social construct.

If we're going to look at homosexuality - you might want to look at the high rates of depression and suicide compared with heterosexuals? How much of that depression is the result of an unwillingness to conform to that social construct and the pressure that is put on people who refuse to conform to expected norms of behaviour?

You are suggesting that social pressure contributes to their depression and suicides. How much of it might be a result of other personal problems they have, considering a large percentage of gays probably have other facets of their lifestyle that are also "unconventional". For example, don't gay men tend to have shorter relationships and more partners than straight men, which would mean more "break-ups" that could lead to depression?

That certainly could play a part . Its a complex issue. The question here is whether is whether homosexuality is a disease that should be genetically 'cured' (regardless of whether or not any of us approve of it).

[kaydee457 13]

Oh, I see I'm still being quoted....Is that a good thing?

Anyone care to research the issue of redifining the "family" issue as it pertains to gays? Most people view the gay issue as a "victimless crime" and shrug their shoulders and walk away.....

A very liberal Hollywood has acclimarted, or at least wore us out, to the idea that gay lifestyles are "normal" and harmless......

Brokeback, anyone? Ellen anyone?

These are attempts by liberals to make normal something that most of us know, intuitively, to be very abnormal.......

BTW, homphobic is simply a sanitized label to attribute to those of us that are bigoted against gays...

Where does this "intuition" come from? That's kind of what I was getting at.... Unspoken assumptions arising out of an unconsciously accepted social construct.

If we're going to look at homosexuality - you might want to look at the high rates of depression and suicide compared with heterosexuals? How much of that depression is the result of an unwillingness to conform to that social construct and the pressure that is put on people who refuse to conform to expected norms of behaviour?

You are suggesting that social pressure contributes to their depression and suicides. How much of it might be a result of other personal problems they have, considering a large percentage of gays probably have other facets of their lifestyle that are also "unconventional". For example, don't gay men tend to have shorter relationships and more partners than straight men, which would mean more "break-ups" that could lead to depression?

That certainly could play a part . Its a complex issue. The question here is whether is whether homosexuality is a disease that should be genetically 'cured' (regardless of whether or not any of us approve of it).

Firstly, let's get our terminology straight. If anything, homosexuality would be a genetic defect, not a disease.....

Having said that, if my parents are typical of those with adolescents that are experimenting, or actually engaging in homosexuality, it is a defect, but in their minds one that's behavioral and not in ones genetic makeup, so to speak.....

My parents spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on "therapy" for my brother will no discernable result. He still sought out a deviant homosexual lifestyle, eventually succumbing to AIDS.

If it is indeed a genetic, um, I'll say "aberration, or anomaly in ones genes" that predisposes a person to be attracted to same sex later in life, then in my personal opinion the aberration should be addressed, as it's clearly not what nature intended.

The "anomalous" condition should be disclosed to the parents of a newborn and then they would be allowed to choose their options.....

So, my position is that if this condition is identified as a genetic aberration, or defect, then it should be researched and medical options developed to nullify, or reverse the condition.

[Alex+R 0]

Kaydee, is all this homophobia because you miss your brother?

[garya505 2]

Reading this thread I've been thinking (I do that sometimes). Most things in nature have a purpose, even though sometimes you have to dig to find it. So, if homosexuality has a purpose in nature, what is it? On the ohter hand, if it doesn't have a purpose in nature, then wouldn't it be an aberration or anomaly of some sort, in which case it also has a cause that can be corrected? Just a thought.

[garya505 2]

Kaydee, is all this homophobia because you miss your brother?

Alex, don't you have any respect or feelings at all? Is your agenda so important to you that you need to insult those who have lost loved ones?

[Alex+R 0]

Kaydee, is all this homophobia because you miss your brother?

Alex, don't you have any respect or feelings at all? Is your agenda so important to you that you need to insult those who have lost loved ones?

I know it was harsh, but he's said terrible things about people I love and people who are in MY family. He should be aware of that.

ETA: at any rate, if that were the reason he were so hateful and full of rage against people different from him, I would maybe have some respect for him.

Edited January 4, 2007 by Alex+R

[kaydee457 13]

Kaydee, is all this homophobia because you miss your brother?

Matako? Is this you?

[Jenn! 918]

While *I* might not see homosexuality as a genetic defect, I don't really see how that has any bearing on whether or not this research is worthwhile. I do know gay people who, if given the choice, would choose to be heterosexual. And I can't understand denying them that choice.

Hell, nowadays people can switch genders...why not sexuality?

[Alex+R 0]

While *I* might not see homosexuality as a genetic defect, I don't really see how that has any bearing on whether or not this research is worthwhile. I do know gay people who, if given the choice, would choose to be heterosexual. And I can't understand denying them that choice.

Hell, nowadays people can switch genders...why not sexuality?

It's so strange. BTW people can't switch genders in their minds. Theoretically, they've always been male or female, in the wrong body. I think people should be able to not be gay if they don't want to be, but I'd also like to be taller and better at sports. Where do you draw the line?

[Jenn! 918]

While *I* might not see homosexuality as a genetic defect, I don't really see how that has any bearing on whether or not this research is worthwhile. I do know gay people who, if given the choice, would choose to be heterosexual. And I can't understand denying them that choice.

Hell, nowadays people can switch genders...why not sexuality?

It's so strange. BTW people can't switch genders in their minds. Theoretically, they've always been male or female, in the wrong body. I think people should be able to not be gay if they don't want to be, but I'd also like to be taller and better at sports. Where do you draw the line?

The sky is the limit?

[pedroh 21]

man, this thread is pathetic, what a bunch of openly intolerant people we have in VJ..

[eric&gen 0]

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