Smart Guns Could Be Coming

[lostinblue 1,989]

The only way you justify more households without guns is the divorce rate, Take one household and then you have two and the gun stays with most of the time the man. Thus you get a 50% decline in the rate without doing anything at all.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How about, for every gun you own you lose a finger?

[GandD 5,966]

How about, for every gun you own you lose a finger?

Or have to kiss one member of the same sex. Unless you're gay, then the opposite.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Or have to kiss one member of the same sex. Unless you're gay, then the opposite.

And lose a finger.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Papa Lazarou

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I don't know about ownership rates, but guns are flying off the shelves at a record pace. So if gun sales are up, and only existing gun owners are buying guns, and the homicide rate is down, I conclude that now only responsible people own guns, the riff-raff is being weeded out.

Not quite. There are just fewer irresponsible people owning guns. Michael Dunn owned guns. Hardly responsible. Curtis Reeves owned guns. Hardly responsible. Nancy Lanza owned guns. Hardly responsible. The list goes on. There are just fewer of them now. Thus the homicide rate is going down. But there are still plenty of irresponsible gun owners out there. Tens of thousands of dead bodies a year tell the story loud and clear. And these irresponsible gun owners are stockpiling. That's worrisome.

The only way you justify more households without guns is the divorce rate, Take one household and then you have two and the gun stays with most of the time the man. Thus you get a 50% decline in the rate without doing anything at all.

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe you'll believe it one day.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The only way you justify more households without guns is the divorce rate, Take one household and then you have two and the gun stays with most of the time the man. Thus you get a 50% decline in the rate without doing anything at all.

The whole fewer households with guns is a bright and shining lie, that makes no common sense. Record new gun carry applications, record gun sales, record new background checks being run every day, but somehow in liberal land less households own guns. Hardly

Disarming the Myths Promoted By the Gun Control Lobby

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/02/21/disarming-the-myths-promoted-by-the-gun-control-lobby/

As much as gun control advocates might wish otherwise, their attacks are running out of ammo. With private firearm ownership at an all-time high and violent crime rates plunging, none of the scary scenarios they advanced have materialized. Abuse of responsibility by armed citizens is rare, while successful defensive interventions against assaults on their lives and property are relatively commonplace.

National violent crime rates that soared for 30 years from the early 1960s began to decrease markedly since 1993. Last December the FBI reported that murder and other violent crime rates fell again by 6.4% during the first half of 2011 compared with the same period in 2010. A Gallup poll indicates that “Americans’ preference regarding gun laws is generally that the government enforce existing laws more strictly and not pass new laws.”

Caroline Brewer of the anti-gun Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has reported that “The research we’ve seen indicates fewer and fewer people owning more and more guns.” Yet one can only wonder where they are getting that information. In reality, public support for personal gun ownership is growing. According to Steve Sanetti, president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade group that represents about 7,000 firearms manufacturers and related companies, in 1959 some 70% of the American public favored handgun bans, whereas today that number has flipped. This support is reflected in the marketplace. Sanetti observes that the $4.1 billion gun industry “has had nineteen months of growth in an otherwise anemic economy.”

Recognizing these positive trends, most states now issue permits allowing qualified law-abiding people to legally carry handguns outside their homes. Unprecedented numbers are becoming licensed to do so, now totaling an estimated 10 million Americans, contributing, in turn, to a dramatic growth in gun sales.

A record of more than 1.5 million background checks for customers looking to purchase a firearm were requested by gun dealers to the National Instant Background Check (NICS) system last December. About one-third of these occurred during the six weeks before Christmas. They had previously recorded a 49% rise in background checks during the week before President Obama was elected in 2008 compared with the same week one year earlier.

The Brady lobby is upset that there has been no progress in leveraging tighter gun control legislation following the shooting January 8, 2010 rampage that killed 6 people and injured 13, including Democratic Representative Gabrielle Giffords. That tragic incident raised serious questions about background checks after it was determined that the accused shooter, having previously exhibited erratic behavior, legally purchased the weapon he “allegedly” used from a store.

The National Rifle Association clearly agrees that guns should not be sold to individuals found to have serious mental problems, although many states fail to provide mental health records to the federal computerized background check system. According to a November, 2011 report by the Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG), 23 states have shown “major failures” in complying, and four (Alaska, Delaware, Idaho and Rhode Island) submit no records at all. (Although murder has been in decline in New York and other major cities for years, a Pepsi and Honda Super Bowl advertisement spot featured New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Boston’s Thomas Menino on a couch calling for stricter government measures to curb illegal gun sales.)

Dennis Henigan, the Brady group’s acting president, told Reuters: “Really it is a national disgrace that the only piece of gun-related legislation to come to a vote since Tucson was this legislation that would have enabled dangerous concealed carriers like Jared Loughner to carry their guns across state lines.” Referring to a proposed “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011″ (H.R. 822) which has passed the House of Representatives but stalled in the Senate, the resolution would require states to recognize one another’s concealed carry permits the same way they recognize one another’s driver’s licenses. The intent is to eliminate confusion and potential legal problems for traveling gun owners.

As pointed out in a recent paper titled “Tough Targets” released by the Cato Institute, “The ostensible purpose of gun control legislation is to reduce firearm deaths and injuries. But authors Clayton E. Cramer and David Burnett believe these restrictions put law-abiding citizens at a distinct disadvantage to criminals who acquire guns from underground markets since it is simply not possible for police officers to get to every scene where intervention is urgently needed. They also document large numbers of crimes…murders, assaults, robberies…that are thwarted each year by ordinary persons with guns.

A widely-known study conducted by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz in the 1990s found that there were somewhere between 830,000 and 2.45 million U.S. defensive gun uses annually. A National Crime Victimization Study (NCVS) which asked victims if they had used a gun in self-defense found that about 108,000 each year had done so. A big problem with the NCVS line of survey reasoning, however, is that it only includes those uses where a citizen kills a criminal, not when one is only wounded, is held by the intended victim until police arrive, or when brandishing a gun caused a criminal to flee.

For these reasons, the Cato researchers investigated published news reports which much more often reveal how Americans use guns in self-defense. The data set is derived from a collection of nearly 5,000 randomly selected incidents published between October 2003 and November 2011. Still, the authors also recognize limitations with this approach, since many defensive incidents are never reported by victims, or when they are, never get published. In fact, the overwhelming majority of the successful self-defense outcomes are those where the defendants’ guns are presented but never fired.

Most of the actual self-defense shootings in the Cato study didn’t involve concealed carry licenses, but more typically had to do with responses to residential invasions. Of these, 488 involved home burglaries. In addition, there were 1,227 incidents where intruders were induced to flee the scene by armed inhabitants, circumstances that might otherwise have resulted in injurious assaults including rapes and murders. There were 285 news accounts indicating that the defender had a concealed weapon license, which in the majority of these incidents took place outside a home or place of business. Pizza delivery drivers were common robbery targets.

Edited February 22, 2014 by The Nature Boy

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Very insightful. Thanks for sharing that.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

And these irresponsible gun owners are stockpiling. That's worrisome.

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe you'll believe it one day.

I guess you didn't learn much during your recent timeout. Oh well. They tried.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The whole fewer households with guns is a bright and shining lie, that makes no common sense. Record new gun carry applications, record gun sales, record new background checks being run every day, but somehow in liberal land less households own guns. Hardly

Disarming the Myths Promoted By the Gun Control Lobby

http://www.forbes.co...-control-lobby/

As much as gun control advocates might wish otherwise, their attacks are running out of ammo. With private firearm ownership at an all-time high and violent crime rates plunging, none of the scary scenarios they advanced have materialized. Abuse of responsibility by armed citizens is rare, while successful defensive interventions against assaults on their lives and property are relatively commonplace.

National violent crime rates that soared for 30 years from the early 1960s began to decrease markedly since 1993. Last December the FBI reported that murder and other violent crime rates fell again by 6.4% during the first half of 2011 compared with the same period in 2010. A Gallup poll indicates that “Americans’ preference regarding gun laws is generally that the government enforce existing laws more strictly and not pass new laws.”

Caroline Brewer of the anti-gun Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has reported that “The research we’ve seen indicates fewer and fewer people owning more and more guns.” Yet one can only wonder where they are getting that information. In reality, public support for personal gun ownership is growing. According to Steve Sanetti, president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade group that represents about 7,000 firearms manufacturers and related companies, in 1959 some 70% of the American public favored handgun bans, whereas today that number has flipped. This support is reflected in the marketplace. Sanetti observes that the $4.1 billion gun industry “has had nineteen months of growth in an otherwise anemic economy.”

Recognizing these positive trends, most states now issue permits allowing qualified law-abiding people to legally carry handguns outside their homes. Unprecedented numbers are becoming licensed to do so, now totaling an estimated 10 million Americans, contributing, in turn, to a dramatic growth in gun sales.

A record of more than 1.5 million background checks for customers looking to purchase a firearm were requested by gun dealers to the National Instant Background Check (NICS) system last December. About one-third of these occurred during the six weeks before Christmas. They had previously recorded a 49% rise in background checks during the week before President Obama was elected in 2008 compared with the same week one year earlier.

The Brady lobby is upset that there has been no progress in leveraging tighter gun control legislation following the shooting January 8, 2010 rampage that killed 6 people and injured 13, including Democratic Representative Gabrielle Giffords. That tragic incident raised serious questions about background checks after it was determined that the accused shooter, having previously exhibited erratic behavior, legally purchased the weapon he “allegedly” used from a store.

The National Rifle Association clearly agrees that guns should not be sold to individuals found to have serious mental problems, although many states fail to provide mental health records to the federal computerized background check system. According to a November, 2011 report by the Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG), 23 states have shown “major failures” in complying, and four (Alaska, Delaware, Idaho and Rhode Island) submit no records at all. (Although murder has been in decline in New York and other major cities for years, a Pepsi and Honda Super Bowl advertisement spot featured New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Boston’s Thomas Menino on a couch calling for stricter government measures to curb illegal gun sales.)

Dennis Henigan, the Brady group’s acting president, told Reuters: “Really it is a national disgrace that the only piece of gun-related legislation to come to a vote since Tucson was this legislation that would have enabled dangerous concealed carriers like Jared Loughner to carry their guns across state lines.” Referring to a proposed “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011″ (H.R. 822) which has passed the House of Representatives but stalled in the Senate, the resolution would require states to recognize one another’s concealed carry permits the same way they recognize one another’s driver’s licenses. The intent is to eliminate confusion and potential legal problems for traveling gun owners.

As pointed out in a recent paper titled “Tough Targets” released by the Cato Institute, “The ostensible purpose of gun control legislation is to reduce firearm deaths and injuries. But authors Clayton E. Cramer and David Burnett believe these restrictions put law-abiding citizens at a distinct disadvantage to criminals who acquire guns from underground markets since it is simply not possible for police officers to get to every scene where intervention is urgently needed. They also document large numbers of crimes…murders, assaults, robberies…that are thwarted each year by ordinary persons with guns.

A widely-known study conducted by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz in the 1990s found that there were somewhere between 830,000 and 2.45 million U.S. defensive gun uses annually. A National Crime Victimization Study (NCVS) which asked victims if they had used a gun in self-defense found that about 108,000 each year had done so. A big problem with the NCVS line of survey reasoning, however, is that it only includes those uses where a citizen kills a criminal, not when one is only wounded, is held by the intended victim until police arrive, or when brandishing a gun caused a criminal to flee.

For these reasons, the Cato researchers investigated published news reports which much more often reveal how Americans use guns in self-defense. The data set is derived from a collection of nearly 5,000 randomly selected incidents published between October 2003 and November 2011. Still, the authors also recognize limitations with this approach, since many defensive incidents are never reported by victims, or when they are, never get published. In fact, the overwhelming majority of the successful self-defense outcomes are those where the defendants’ guns are presented but never fired.

Most of the actual self-defense shootings in the Cato study didn’t involve concealed carry licenses, but more typically had to do with responses to residential invasions. Of these, 488 involved home burglaries. In addition, there were 1,227 incidents where intruders were induced to flee the scene by armed inhabitants, circumstances that might otherwise have resulted in injurious assaults including rapes and murders. There were 285 news accounts indicating that the defender had a concealed weapon license, which in the majority of these incidents took place outside a home or place of business. Pizza delivery drivers were common robbery targets.

Where's the proof for that statement? Long article and not one shred of evidence to back up that false postulate. Not one.

Proportion of Households with Firearms

Chart

In the United States, the percentage of households with one or more guns is reported to be

2012: 34.4⁵⁶⁷

2010: 32.3

2008: 36.0

2006: 34.5

2004: 37.3

2002: 36.4

2000: 34.3

1998: 36.7

1996: 43.4

1994: 44.0

1993: 45.5

1991: 43.7

1990: 45.8

1989: 48.9

1988: 43.4

1987: 48.6

1985: 48.0

1984: 48.5

1982: 48.9

1980: 50.8

1977: 54.0

1976: 49.7

1974: 47.9

1973: 49.1

Here's the visual.

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe you'll believe it one day.

I guess you didn't learn much during your recent timeout. Oh well. They tried.

Learned what? That certain viewpoints aren't welcome at VJ? I knew that.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Mr. Big Dog

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Where's the proof for that statement? Long article and not one shred of evidence to back up that false postulate. Not one.

Here's the visual.

Excuse me sir I am calling from an anti-gun polling site. How many guns do you have in your home

ROFL

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Excuse me sir I am calling from an anti-gun polling site. How many guns do you have in your home

ROFL

You should read before you comment. The survey that the data comes from is called the General Social Survey and has been conducted since the 1970s. The same survey done year after year asking the same questions bears out the trend. So roll on the floor all you want but the facts still stand all the same.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

2012: 34.4⁵⁶⁷

^{Hover over those superscripted numbers...}

General Social Survey Question: Do you happen to have in your home (or garage) any guns or revlovers.

Average gun ownership levels (measured by Percentage of suicides committed using firearms)

Are you freakin' kidding me?? I know the majority of gun owners would answer no to the first one.

And the second one... O.M.G. So the crazies who would kill themselves with a gun do so over time, therefore there are less of them, therefore there are less guns per household??? Ummmm... no. And even if they kill themselves, where do the guns go? To heaven with the suiciders?

Not a very legit survey, if'n you ask me.

You should read before you comment. The survey that the data comes from is called the General Social Survey and has been conducted since the 1970s. The same survey done year after year asking the same questions bears out the trend. So roll on the floor all you want but the facts published numbers still stand all the same.

.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Are you freakin' kidding me?? I know the majority of gun owners would answer no to the first one.

And the second one... O.M.G. So the crazies who would kill themselves with a gun do so over time, therefore there are less of them, therefore there are less guns per household??? Ummmm... no. And even if they kill themselves, where do the guns go? To heaven with the suiciders?

Not a very legit survey, if'n you ask me.

I don't. But keep telling yourself that anyways if it makes you feel any better. It's the same survey done for over 4 decades and it bears out a clear trend. The public sentiment towards guns was more hostile when gun ownership rates in this survey were found to be in the 50 percent range. Now that the public sentiment is less hostile gun owners all of a sudden feel the need to lie about owning a gun? Who are you kidding?

[lostinblue 1,989]

I don't. But keep telling yourself that anyways if it makes you feel any better. It's the same survey done for over 4 decades and it bears out a clear trend. The public sentiment towards guns was more hostile when gun ownership rates in this survey were found to be in the 50 percent range. Now that the public sentiment is less hostile gun owners all of a sudden feel the need to lie about owning a gun? Who are you kidding?

The only clear trend is as in NY state more and more anti gun people are trying to pass new laws to do away with the 2nd on a state level. .... one law at a time. No one is going to say they have a gun to liberal on the telephone. Go pick up a phone and call people in the real south and ask if they own a gun. CLICK

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The only clear trend is as in NY state more and more anti gun people are trying to pass new laws to do away with the 2nd on a state level. .... one law at a time. No one is going to say they have a gun to liberal on the telephone. Go pick up a phone and call people in the real south and ask if they own a gun. CLICK

Yes, and that same attitude towards scientific surveys caused you guys over on the right to believe that Obama was toast in November 2012. It was hilarious to watch the wake up on Faux News. The meltdowns here on VJ were even more hilarious.

Say, has Mitt moved into 1600 Penn Ave. yet?

Edited February 22, 2014 by Mr. Big Dog