Florida 'loud music' trial juror: 'I believed he was guilty'

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Then why even have murder two? There has to be a level to separate out planned deliberate killings and killing out of anger. The first is clearly worse.

And I'm still not conceding the meaning of the definition.

Murder 1 and 2 are both murder. They are levels of murder.

Yet there is only one level of dead for the victim. Something smells rotten to me.

[GandD 5,966]

Yet there is only one level of dead for the victim. Something smells rotten to me.

A serial killer is worse than a guy that catches his wife cheating with another guy, pulls a gun and shoots him/her/both.

[GandD 5,966]

I'm aware of that. If he was convicted of any of the above, that would do. But as it stands, he's going to jail for attempted murder, not murder. Meaning that the only reason he's going to serve any time is because he didn't kill the other three teens inside the vehicle.

A hung jury is not an acquittal. Florida can try him for murder again. Hopefully this time, they will go for 2nd degree.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Then why even have murder two? There has to be a level to separate out planned deliberate killings and killing out of anger. The first is clearly worse.

And I'm still not conceding the meaning of the definition.

Murder 1 and 2 are both murder. They are levels of murder.

Killing out of anger, if the anger is justified, is not even murder in some jurisdictions. For instance, if a man just happens to have a gun in his hand the moment he enters his bedroom, finds his wife in the throws of passion with another man, and he kills them both before he can consider his actions, that is not even murder in a large part of the world.

Murder two is the catch all for all those committing unlawful and deliberate killings, that occur without clear premeditation or without the commission of certain other felonious acts when the killing occurred, to be punished at a somewhat lesser degree than those convicted of murder one. Murder two is a lower peg for juries to hang the accused.

A serial killer is worse than a guy that catches his wife cheating with another guy, pulls a gun and shoots him/her/both.

[GandD 5,966]

Killing out of anger, if the anger is justified, is not even murder in some jurisdictions. For instance, if a man just happens to have a gun in his hand the moment he enters his bedroom, finds his wife in the throws of passion with another man, and he kills them both before he can consider his actions, that is not even murder in a large part of the world.

Ok ok, you're right on that one.

Murder two is the catch all for all those committing unlawful and deliberate killings, that occur without clear premeditation or without the commission of certain other felonious acts when the killing occurred, to be punished at a somewhat lesser degree than those convicted of murder one. Murder two is a lower peg for juries to hang the accused.

Seems to cover a guy getting mad and going to his car to get a gun to me.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

A hung jury is not an acquittal. Florida can try him for murder again. Hopefully this time, they will go for 2nd degree.

Murder two was a lesser included charge. The portion of the jury that wanted to convict of murder one would not accept a compromise to convict only of murder two.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Ok ok, you're right on that one.

Seems to cover a guy getting mad and going to his car to get a gun to me.

At the least. However, some states would say that very act constitutes premeditation. He could have gone back to his car and done anything but. The mere fact that he then carried that gun back with him and discharged it into the other vehicle, demonstrates a deliberate, conscious, and intentional act.

[GandD 5,966]

Murder two was a lesser included charge. The portion of the jury that wanted to convict of murder one would not accept a compromise to convict only of murder two.

Yes, that's the way I understood it. Just like here.

[GandD 5,966]

At the least. However, some states would say that very act constitutes premeditation. He could have gone back to his car and done anything but. The mere fact that he then carried that gun back with him and discharged it into the other vehicle, demonstrates a deliberate, conscious, and intentional act.

And really the more i think about it, that probably should be true. If you disengage the situation to go get a gun, it should be premeditated. Like if someone gets in a fight at a softball game, leaves the field, goes to his car, comes back, and fires on someone, that's murder 1

Now if the gun was on him or "in the situation" it should not be premeditated.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Temporary insanity caused by those loud jungle rhythms would have been a better plea.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

If this happen to White kids I'd say the exact same thing. Find a case in which this happens to anyone else.

Nb brings this up more than I do, yet I'm the race baiter.

Oh Marvin Stop it.. Why you got to drag me under the bus with you

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

And really the more i think about it, that probably should be true. If you disengage the situation to go get a gun, it should be premeditated. Like if someone gets in a fight at a softball game, leaves the field, goes to his car, comes back, and fires on someone, that's murder 1

Now if the gun was on him or "in the situation" it should not be premeditated.

No because he still had his mad on.

Charge him with Murder 2 from the get go and be done with it. Stop overreaching to appease the race baiters.

Murder two was a lesser included charge. The portion of the jury that wanted to convict of murder one would not accept a compromise to convict only of murder two.

Are you saying the hang up is they all would go for murder two, but the 3 hold outs insisted on Murder 1?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Yes, that's the way I understood it. Just like here.

Well that makes perfect sense and explains why the all agreed on attempted murder.

So I am guessing the black jurors would not agree to murder 2 or Manslaughter which it should have been

Maybe it was racism after all

Murder 1 should have never been an option. If it had not been included the trial would be over

I am guessing a murder 2 charge would have brought out the protesters and charges of racism.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

If this happen to White kids I'd say the exact same thing. Find a case in which this happens to anyone else.

Nb brings this up more than I do, yet I'm the race baiter.

Bullshite. Don't make me start a thread count on your #######...

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

finds his wife in the throws of passion with another man, and he kills them both before he can consider his actions, that is not even murder in a large part of the world.

who's throwing who in that?