Florida 'loud music' trial juror: 'I believed he was guilty'

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I think Dunn is guilty of at least 2nd degree murder, possibly 1st degree, but that will be very hard to prove. This stand your ground law needs some serious tweeking if it's going to stay on the books.

everyone here agrees he is guilty, racist and should be convicted of something

What we don't agree on is that racism played a part

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

everyone here agrees he is guilty, racist and should be convicted of something

What we don't agree on is that racism played a part

He should be convicted of 2nd degree at the very least. I'm not sure but isn't manslaughter like you didn't mean to kill someone? He fired 10 shots into a vehicle full of teens, he was trying to kill someone.

I think that 3 of the jurors thought there was a gun or at least a threat to his life.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

He was not found guilty yet. The jury was hung so they can retry him any time.

I thought the jury found him guilty on all counts but murder one.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I thought the jury found him guilty on all counts but murder one.

Nah, they were deadlocked on the murder charge. They couldn't get him on 1st, 2nd, or manslaughter.

[GandD 5,966]

Nah, they were deadlocked on the murder charge. They couldn't get him on 1st, 2nd, or manslaughter.

We can't come to a consensus here, why would they be any better? Apparently being racist = premeditation. You and I, and certainly not Jinx are not going to see this eye to eye any time soon.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

We can't come to a consensus here, why would they be any better? Apparently being racist = premeditation. You and I, and certainly not Jinx are not going to see this eye to eye any time soon.

Premeditation can occur in seconds. Walking back to his car to get a gun and then return to the offending vehicle with intent to kill is sufficient to show malice of aforethought.

[GandD 5,966]

Premeditation can occur in seconds. Walking back to his car to get a gun and then return to the offending vehicle with intent to kill is sufficient to show malice of aforethought.

That's easy to prove i'm sure........ I don't buy it.

ETA, Premeditation means before the incident. The incident started when they began arguing. If he had left to go get a gun and came back, I'd be with you.

Edited February 19, 2014 by GandD

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

We can't come to a consensus here, why would they be any better? Apparently being racist = premeditation. You and I, and certainly not Jinx are not going to see this eye to eye any time soon.

For me premeditation would be when he went for the gun and shot ten times. If he wasn't a racist, I'd still say at the very least murder 2. If it was one shot and he died from that, manslaughter.

There is no way in hell this was self defense.

[Merrytooth 5,748]

Why isn't it a spontaneous/impulsive action?

[GandD 5,966]

For me premeditation would be when he went for the gun and shot ten times. If he wasn't a racist, I'd still say at the very least murder 2. If it was one shot and he died from that, manslaughter.

There is no way in hell this was self defense.

Of course it would be for you. You only care because the victims were black and you see this as some sort of on going injustice against blacks. If everyone was white, I'd be saying the same thing, would you?

2nd degree is not self defense FTR.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

That's easy to prove i'm sure........ I don't buy it.

ETA, Premeditation means before the incident. The incident started when they began arguing. If he had left to go get a gun and came back, I'd be with you.

Penny (I think it was her) posted an article that has since been closed.. teenagers puling a prank on a house (throwing a bottle of smelly ####### like old eggs and mayonnaise) a man came out of the home and shot at them in their car killing one of them. He is being charged with 1st degree murder - I was trying to figure out why when the thread was closed so I gave up.. The other case does not seem to fit the criteria of premeditation either - There must be other criteria - I am curious as to what.

Edited February 19, 2014 by OnMyWayID

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Penny (I think it was her) posted an article that has since been closed.. teenagers puling a prank on a house (throwing a bottle of smelly ####### like old eggs and mayonnaise) a man came out of the home and shot at them in their car killing one of them. He is being charged with 1st degree murder - I was trying to figure out why when the thread was closed so I gave up.. The other case does not seem to fit the criteria of premeditation either - There must be other criteria - I am curious as to what.

The kids in Arkansas were white.

[GandD 5,966]

Penny (I think it was her) posted an article that has since been closed.. teenagers puling a prank on a house (throwing a bottle of smelly ####### like old eggs and mayonnaise) a man came out of the home and shot at them in their car killing one of them. He is being charged with 1st degree murder - I was trying to figure out why when the thread was closed so I gave up.. The other case does not seem to fit the criteria of premeditation either - There must be other criteria - I am curious as to what.

Maven posted a link to "felony murder". Anything qualifying as felony murder is considered 1st degree as well. IMO, none of those qualified in this case either.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

That's easy to prove i'm sure........ I don't buy it.

ETA, Premeditation means before the incident. The incident started when they began arguing. If he had left to go get a gun and came back, I'd be with you.

Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. Every murder perpetrated by poison, lying in wait, or any other kind of willful, deliberate, malicious, and premeditated killing; or committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to perpetrate, any arson, escape, murder, kidnapping, treason, espionage, sabotage, aggravated sexual abuse or sexual abuse, child abuse, burglary, or robbery; or perpetrated as part of a pattern or practice of assault or torture against a child or children; or perpetrated from a premeditated design unlawfully and maliciously to effect the death of any human being other than him who is killed, is murder in the first degree.

Any other murder is murder in the second degree.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1111

and

Premeditation:

When an individual contemplates, for any length of time, undertaking an activity and then subsequently takes the action.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/premeditation

[GandD 5,966]

The kids in Arkansas were white.

Then who cares?