Florida 'loud music' trial juror: 'I believed he was guilty'

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

It's a total loss on the life of the dead kid, as well as for his family. A sad thing that can never be undone nor made up for.

What bothers me most is how the P.O.S. Dunn is trying to say he's the victim. #######??? He attacked some kids who were playing loud music right after coming from a wedding, while his fiance was in the store. He "thought he saw a shotgun" in the car. Ok, so get your gun in your hand, stay calm, and wait to see if the "shotgun" is pointed at you. And wait. And wait. I would be ok with that.

But to shoot first, and then 10 times? At kids in a car? (Never saw anywhere that the kids got out or moved towards his car in an aggressive manner, did I miss something?)

I think he will lost his next trial, or at least I hope so. He got what he deserved for the three living kids, and good for that. But he needs a little more justice.

Also, what was the charge "of shooting or throwing a deadly missile. This felony is punishable by up to 15 years in prison" all about? Bullets? If so, ridicluous. If he chucked a rock into the car after firing, ok.

Also, I think the parents of Jordan Davis need to stay away from trying to make this about "Justce for Trayvon" as well as their son. I don't see where that is doing any good at all. They have thier own cross to bear with Jordan's death, and that is more than enough for any parent to have to deal with.

Did you hear the recordings? He's laughing about it. He compares himself to a rape victim. That's his mentality.

To be honest, I don't think he going to be convicted of killing him. All he needs is one person that thinks he was in danger. He had 3 on this last trial. For all of this lying and character defects, someone will look at that kid and think thug.

I think the parents should focus on their son as well. This happened 6 months after Trayvon did, that's why it's being compared to it. It's a nice gesture, but it won't help their case.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

So if the "baggy pants crowd" were made up of hispanics or whites, you would fear them less?

Speaking for myself, I don't fear the baggy pants crowd, regardless of color. I DO try to assist them when I come across them. Last month, I came to a stoplight, and a tall, lanky kid walked behind my vehicle, with his pants hanging half way down his bottom. I rolled down my window, and said, "Ummm, excuse me, did you know your belt is broken, and your pants are hanging down your butt?" He turned and kinda sneered, and said, "Yeah, it's my way of being cool." I replied, "No, it's you looking like an idiot who doesn't know how to dress yourself respectably." He just glared and walked on.

Now, if I see a group of "yoots" in a crowd, and they are eyeballing me like a fresh slab of tuna, then I might get a little nervous fear about myself if I am alone. But I tend to not put myself in those situations, so it doesn't happen very often. If I were to be in such a situation and was carrying, I would feel less vulnerable and alone... IF the situation escalated. But I'd have to be put in the position of pivot man before I started thinking about hauling iron.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So if the "baggy pants crowd" were made up of hispanics or whites, you would fear them less?

no

A thug is a thug in my book

Edited February 19, 2014 by The Nature Boy

[Teddy B 17,252]

no

A thug is a thug in my book

So it would make sense that you fear the thug culture more than you do the color of the person dressed like a thug?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Speaking for myself, I don't fear the baggy pants crowd, regardless of color. I DO try to assist them when I come across them. Last month, I came to a stoplight, and a tall, lanky kid walked behind my vehicle, with his pants hanging half way down his bottom. I rolled down my window, and said, "Ummm, excuse me, did you know your belt is broken, and your pants are hanging down your butt?" He turned and kinda sneered, and said, "Yeah, it's my way of being cool." I replied, "No, it's you looking like an idiot who doesn't know how to dress yourself respectably." He just glared and walked on.

Now, if I see a group of "yoots" in a crowd, and they are eyeballing me like a fresh slab of tuna, then I might get a little nervous fear about myself if I am alone. But I tend to not put myself in those situations, so it doesn't happen very often. If I were to be in such a situation and was carrying, I would feel less vulnerable and alone... IF the situation escalated. But I'd have to be put in the position of pivot man before I started thinking about hauling iron.

You are lucky that moron with pants down to his knees did not get all sideways with you

[B_J 2,752]

Also, I think the parents of Jordan Davis need to stay away from trying to make this about "Justce for Trayvon" as well as their son. I don't see where that is doing any good at all. They have thier own cross to bear with Jordan's death, and that is more than enough for any parent to have to deal with.

I haven't paid that much attention to this trial; but what I've read from the mother is amazing and she has handled this the best way possible.

Still, Davis' mother, Lucia McBath, expressed her gratitude to the jury. "We are so grateful for the truth," she said.

"It's a long, long road," she said, "and we're so very happy to have just a little bit of closure."

She added, "It's sad for Mr. Dunn that he will live the rest of his life with that sense of torment, and I will pray for him, and I've asked my family to pray for him."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/15/justice/florida-loud-music-trial-reaction/

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So it would make sense that you fear the thug culture more than you do the color of the person dressed like a thug?

Yes that would be a fair assumption. However around here about 80-90% of all crime is committed by that culture. I guess in other parts of the countries it is different.

If I lived in a part of the country in which 90% of the crime was being done by young Amish kids, I would shun white farm kids with funny hats driving buggies.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Did you hear the recordings? He's laughing about it. He compares himself to a rape victim. That's his mentality.

To be honest, I don't think he going to be convicted of killing him. All he needs is one person that thinks he was in danger. He had 3 on this last trial. For all of this lying and character defects, someone will look at that kid and think thug.

I think the parents should focus on their son as well. This happened 6 months after Trayvon did, that's why it's being compared to it. It's a nice gesture, but it won't help their case.

Yeah, they played it on the local radio this morning. Lot of outrage about his attitude. No remorse at all. Just my opinion, complete with bad smells and no worth at all, but... I think he lost his temper and thought he could cover his actions by using the whole "feared for my life, I was threatened" defense. It failed him, as it should, and now he is upset that he is being convicted. If I were in a hostile situation, and I TRULY thought I was defending myself, and I killed someone... I would feel remorse over it, even if I were found not guilty. Even if you can justify the killing, even if you took a life to save one or more lives... you should still feel remorse, IMHO. I know I would. It takes a cold, cold person to be able to put something like that behind them, or to try and play it off like it was no big deal, especially in Dunn's case.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Speaking for myself, I don't fear the baggy pants crowd, regardless of color. I DO try to assist them when I come across them. Last month, I came to a stoplight, and a tall, lanky kid walked behind my vehicle, with his pants hanging half way down his bottom. I rolled down my window, and said, "Ummm, excuse me, did you know your belt is broken, and your pants are hanging down your butt?" He turned and kinda sneered, and said, "Yeah, it's my way of being cool." I replied, "No, it's you looking like an idiot who doesn't know how to dress yourself respectably." He just glared and walked on.

Now, if I see a group of "yoots" in a crowd, and they are eyeballing me like a fresh slab of tuna, then I might get a little nervous fear about myself if I am alone. But I tend to not put myself in those situations, so it doesn't happen very often. If I were to be in such a situation and was carrying, I would feel less vulnerable and alone... IF the situation escalated. But I'd have to be put in the position of pivot man before I started thinking about hauling iron.

I think there are many factors that play into this "fear equation" and it varies from person to person based on their personal experiences.

I personally do not fear people based on color. I do however take more notice of the thug or gangster culture, simply because that's the vibe it sends out. No different than the old leather jacket/cigarrette hoodlum culture of my childhood. The black leather jackets, jeans and bikey boots weren't just worn to look good, they were worn because they carried a bad boy image and some intimidation with them. I try to assess every situation on it's own merit and make the best decisions I can depending on where I'm at and who I'm with.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

If I lived in a part of the country in which 90% of the crime was being done by young Amish kids, I would shun white farm kids with funny hats driving buggies.

Racist, and reported!

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Yeah, they played it on the local radio this morning. Lot of outrage about his attitude. No remorse at all. Just my opinion, complete with bad smells and no worth at all, but... I think he lost his temper and thought he could cover his actions by using the whole "feared for my life, I was threatened" defense. It failed him, as it should, and now he is upset that he is being convicted. If I were in a hostile situation, and I TRULY thought I was defending myself, and I killed someone... I would feel remorse over it, even if I were found not guilty. Even if you can justify the killing, even if you took a life to save one or more lives... you should still feel remorse, IMHO. I know I would. It takes a cold, cold person to be able to put something like that behind them, or to try and play it off like it was no big deal, especially in Dunn's case.

That's why I don't think there was ever a gun. I think he was mad that kid sassed him and just lost it. He showed more remorse over not walking his dog than killing him.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Yes that would be a fair assumption. However around here about 80-90% of all crime is committed by that culture. I guess in other parts of the countries it is different.

If I lived in a part of the country in which 90% of the crime was being done by young Amish kids, I would shun white farm kids with funny hats driving buggies.

Most of the crime around here is also committed by the thug culture, but that culture comes in many different colors and ethnic backgrounds, not just black.

I hear those Amish conceal carry in their beards.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Yeah, they played it on the local radio this morning. Lot of outrage about his attitude. No remorse at all. Just my opinion, complete with bad smells and no worth at all, but... I think he lost his temper and thought he could cover his actions by using the whole "feared for my life, I was threatened" defense. It failed him, as it should, and now he is upset that he is being convicted. If I were in a hostile situation, and I TRULY thought I was defending myself, and I killed someone... I would feel remorse over it, even if I were found not guilty. Even if you can justify the killing, even if you took a life to save one or more lives... you should still feel remorse, IMHO. I know I would. It takes a cold, cold person to be able to put something like that behind them, or to try and play it off like it was no big deal, especially in Dunn's case.

And if I felt I had defended my life I sure would not have fled the scene.. The guy is guilty as hades, but more than likely of manslaughter. I will bet 100% the next jury rings him up for about at least 25 more years

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I think there are many factors that play into this "fear equation" and it varies from person to person based on their personal experiences.

I personally do not fear people based on color. I do however take more notice of the thug or gangster culture, simply because that's the vibe it sends out. No different than the old leather jacket/cigarrette hoodlum culture of my childhood. The black leather jackets, jeans and bikey boots weren't just worn to look good, they were worn because they carried a bad boy image and some intimidation with them. I try to assess every situation on it's own merit and make the best decisions I can depending on where I'm at and who I'm with.

You shouldn't.

But as you said, thug is now the new and improved bad boy. That's what Michael Dunn was counting on when he said thugs and tried to portray Jordan Davis as such.

He played on their fears, and sadly it worked. I hope if he gets a retrial, they convict him properly.

[Teddy B 17,252]

You shouldn't.

But as you said, thug is now the new and improved bad boy. That's what Michael Dunn was counting on when he said thugs and tried to portray Jordan Davis as such.

He played on their fears, and sadly it worked. I hope if he gets a retrial, they convict him properly.

I think Dunn is guilty of at least 2nd degree murder, possibly 1st degree, but that will be very hard to prove. This stand your ground law needs some serious tweeking if it's going to stay on the books.