Florida 'loud music' trial juror: 'I believed he was guilty'

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I'm proud of you man, keep up the good work.

I just don't see how it could be self defense or anything but murder. How did he fear for his life enough to pull a gun?

I hate to say this because it's the same thing that's been said here countless times. It was a black teenager. If you think I'm making that up, chew on this:

There is a deep rooted fear of black men within our society. You see it here day in and day out, yoots, those type, thugs. Every time there's a shooting, mass or just regular, some folks that CC never say, this is why I carry, for times like this. Nope, they just talk about gun laws. And if you ask why they CC, what links will they use? I'll give you a hint, not the shootings where the perp is white. Check the last thread about CC in Illinois. Where a certain member was asked why he carried, what link did he post? Even the NRA has made comments about South Side Brooklyn or Chicago. They're aiming at the one fear most people have collectively.

Look at this case, really. This kid had no record, no problems in school, neither did his friends. Yet, he was transformed into a deadly attacker over some loud music. Three people on that jury thought it was self defense because they saw that young man as a vicious killer. In their eyes, Michael Dunn had every right to be afraid because he could have been killed by a kid who never got into any trouble nor had a weapon. Even when the cops told him those kids didn't have any problems with the law, he refused to believe it. They were thugs, and he was the victim.

That's why it's scary to think that in this day and age, a person can say that black guy made me fear for my life so I shot him. All it takes is one person to believe it. If Jordan was by himself, Michael Dunn would have walked due to deadlock, which is a shame because he's going to jail for attempted murder, not for the murder of Jordan Davis.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

But you have made it about race for three days, but I welcome that request.

I don't think they thought it was self defense but maybe not murder 1 or 2.

I personally would never have rang him up for murder 1.

Maybe murder 2 , but voluntary manslaughter as the appropriate charge here. The prosecutor over reached

As a side note I don't think charging a person with the highest possible charge, then saying OBTW if e don't get that can you maybe do b.c. or d is fair.

In the article, 3 folks thought it was self defense. That's why they were deadlocked. Three people actually thought there was a danger to Mr. Dunn's life.

[B_J 2,752]

In the article, 3 folks thought it was self defense. That's why they were deadlocked. Three people actually thought there was a danger to Mr. Dunn's life.

I don't think it has to be that they felt he was in danger; couldn't they just feel that he believed he was in danger. They thought he really thought he saw a gun. I don't believe him at all but apparently they did.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I don't think it has to be that they felt he was in danger; couldn't they just feel that he believed he was in danger. They thought he really thought he saw a gun. I don't believe him at all but apparently they did.

And that's the worst part, they never recovered a gun, nor did anyone else see one. He didn't even tell his girlfriend about a gun until a month later. It's like that was good enough for them to say he acted in self defense.

What's got my blood boiling though, is if he would have called the police right afterwards, they could have looked for the weapon right then and there. Because he waited, it looks like they stashed it somewhere.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So we're talking about football and get into a heated argument. I say that Peyton Manning is the biggest choker in the history of the game, but you being a big Manning fan lose control, pull out your 45, shoot me and that is ok, because America loves Peyton Manning and calling him a choker would be enough to incite an ordinary person.

Once again. I am not arguing if the law is moral and just, only that it is the law.

However in your above scenario, if it evolved into a very heated altercation and you killed him in the heat of an argument it would not be murder 1.

Once again not my rules but the rules

[B_J 2,752]

There is a deep rooted fear of black men within our society. You see it here day in and day out, yoots, those type, thugs.

I disagree that there is a deep rooted fear of black men. There may be, in fact probably is, a fear of young men, of any color, who look and act a certain way. Is this fair? I don't know. But I don't think it is based on race.

I also think you drastically exagerrate the amount of racism here. The vast majority of regular posters here are nothing even close to racist; in fact, most will condemn racist comments when they see them whether the poster is black, white, or any other color.

[B_J 2,752]

And that's the worst part, they never recovered a gun, nor did anyone else see one. He didn't even tell his girlfriend about a gun until a month later. It's like that was good enough for them to say he acted in self defense.

What's got my blood boiling though, is if he would have called the police right afterwards, they could have looked for the weapon right then and there. Because he waited, it looks like they stashed it somewhere.

But you should take note that I don't think there is a single person here who feels the verdict was just when it comes to the kid who is dead.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I hate to say this because it's the same thing that's been said here countless times. It was a black teenager. If you think I'm making that up, chew on this:

There is a deep rooted fear of black men within our society. You see it here day in and day out, yoots, those type, thugs. Every time there's a shooting, mass or just regular, some folks that CC never say, this is why I carry, for times like this. Nope, they just talk about gun laws. And if you ask why they CC, what links will they use? I'll give you a hint, not the shootings where the perp is white. Check the last thread about CC in Illinois. Where a certain member was asked why he carried, what link did he post? Even the NRA has made comments about South Side Brooklyn or Chicago. They're aiming at the one fear most people have collectively.

Look at this case, really. This kid had no record, no problems in school, neither did his friends. Yet, he was transformed into a deadly attacker over some loud music. Three people on that jury thought it was self defense because they saw that young man as a vicious killer. In their eyes, Michael Dunn had every right to be afraid because he could have been killed by a kid who never got into any trouble nor had a weapon. Even when the cops told him those kids didn't have any problems with the law, he refused to believe it. They were thugs, and he was the victim.

That's why it's scary to think that in this day and age, a person can say that black guy made me fear for my life so I shot him. All it takes is one person to believe it. If Jordan was by himself, Michael Dunn would have walked due to deadlock, which is a shame because he's going to jail for attempted murder, not for the murder of Jordan Davis.

I thought you wanted to leave race out of it.

[Teddy B 17,252]

I disagree that there is a deep rooted fear of black men. There may be, in fact probably is, a fear of young men, of any color, who look and act a certain way. Is this fair? I don't know. But I don't think it is based on race.

This is spot on imo. It's not so much the race as it is the culture.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I disagree that there is a deep rooted fear of black men. There may be, in fact probably is, a fear of young men, of any color, who look and act a certain way. Is this fair? I don't know. But I don't think it is based on race.

I also think you drastically exagerrate the amount of racism here. The vast majority of regular posters here are nothing even close to racist; in fact, most will condemn racist comments when they see them whether the poster is black, white, or any other color.

There is a deep rooted fear of young black men and a statistical reason why

They commit a vastly disproportionate amount of violent crime based on their statistical population representation

Yes when I am out and get around the baggy pants crowd I go on alert. Not saying a white kid in button down could not kill me, but at least in my part of the woods chances are about 90% greater.

I don't make that distinction for all black people.

[Teddy B 17,252]

There is a deep rooted fear of young black men and a statistical reason why

They commit a vastly disproportionate amount of violent crime based on their statistical population representation

Yes when I am out and get around the baggy pants crowd I go on alert. Not saying a white kid in button down could not kill me, but at least in my part of the woods chances are about 90% greater.

I don't make that distinction for all black people.

So if the "baggy pants crowd" were made up of hispanics or whites, you would fear them less?

[B_J 2,752]

There is a deep rooted fear of young black men and a statistical reason why

They commit a vastly disproportionate amount of violent crime based on their statistical population representation

Yes when I am out and get around the baggy pants crowd I go on alert. Not saying a white kid in button down could not kill me, but at least in my part of the woods chances are about 90% greater.

I don't make that distinction for all black people.

If you see a group of young men standing on a corner, baggy pants, cursing, etc - does it matter if 4 are black and 1 is white? Do you really think the 4 black kids are dangerous but the white kid is just a harmless youth?

[luckytxn 2,265]

He was not found guilty yet. The jury was hung so they can retry him any time.

He was found guilty of attempting to murder the others - not guilty of actually murdering one.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I disagree that there is a deep rooted fear of black men. There may be, in fact probably is, a fear of young men, of any color, who look and act a certain way. Is this fair? I don't know. But I don't think it is based on race.

I also think you drastically exagerrate the amount of racism here. The vast majority of regular posters here are nothing even close to racist; in fact, most will condemn racist comments when they see them whether the poster is black, white, or any other color.

Not really, I've seen it here many times, but it's veiled behind stats and truth. Kind of like how Islam is "challenged". It's gotten better with the absence of some members. But I'm not lying about the examples that are used when it comes to gun control. It's always a black person, always.

If you see a group of young men standing on a corner, baggy pants, cursing, etc - does it matter if 4 are black and 1 is white? Do you really think the 4 black kids are dangerous but the white kid is just a harmless youth?

This isn't just here. Sagging pants and the like are acutely linked to black people. It's our culture from what most people say.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

It's a total loss on the life of the dead kid, as well as for his family. A sad thing that can never be undone nor made up for.

What bothers me most is how the P.O.S. Dunn is trying to say he's the victim. #######??? He attacked some kids who were playing loud music right after coming from a wedding, while his fiance was in the store. He "thought he saw a shotgun" in the car. Ok, so get your gun in your hand, stay calm, and wait to see if the "shotgun" is pointed at you. And wait. And wait. I would be ok with that.

But to shoot first, and then 10 times? At kids in a car? (Never saw anywhere that the kids got out or moved towards his car in an aggressive manner, did I miss something?)

I think he will lost his next trial, or at least I hope so. He got what he deserved for the three living kids, and good for that. But he needs a little more justice.

Also, what was the charge "of shooting or throwing a deadly missile. This felony is punishable by up to 15 years in prison" all about? Bullets? If so, ridicluous. If he chucked a rock into the car after firing, ok.

Also, I think the parents of Jordan Davis need to stay away from trying to make this about "Justce for Trayvon" as well as their son. I don't see where that is doing any good at all. They have thier own cross to bear with Jordan's death, and that is more than enough for any parent to have to deal with.