Florida 'loud music' trial juror: 'I believed he was guilty'

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I just want to say, please keep it civil. If we're going to have a discussion, let's do it the right way.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/19/justice/florida-loud-music-case/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

(CNN) -- One of the jurors who convicted Michael Dunn of attempted murder after he fired into an SUV during a fatal argument over loud music believes he should have been convicted of first-degree murder.

"I believed he was guilty," Valerie said in an interview with ABC's "Nightline" early Wednesday. Also known as juror No. 4, she asked that her full name not be given in order to protect her identity.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Well of course some believed he was guilty. That's why there was a hung jury. Some agreed, some didn't.

What I'd like to know is what they couldn't agree on. Could they not agree on 1st, 2nd degree, manslaughter? Or could they not agree on whether or not it was justified?

Edited February 19, 2014 by Penny Lane

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I just want to say, please keep it civil. If we're going to have a discussion, let's do it the right way.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/19/justice/florida-loud-music-case/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

(CNN) -- One of the jurors who convicted Michael Dunn of attempted murder after he fired into an SUV during a fatal argument over loud music believes he should have been convicted of first-degree murder.

"I believed he was guilty," Valerie said in an interview with ABC's "Nightline" early Wednesday. Also known as juror No. 4, she asked that her full name not be given in order to protect her identity.

Please note she is white, and thought he was guilty.. Racism ?

[Teddy B 17,252]

Well of course some believed he was guilty. That's why there was a hung jury. Some agreed, some didn't.

What I'd like to know is what they couldn't agree on. Could they not agree on 1st, 2nd degree, manslaughter? Or could they not agree on whether or not it was justified?

My guess would be whether it was justified or not. If they all agreed that it was in fact murder, but disagreed on the 1st or 2nd degree charge, I would think, or hope, they could at least compromise on 2nd degree.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Please note she is white, and thought he was guilty.. Racism ?

She clearly did not get the "be racist" memo everyone else did.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Well of course some believed he was guilty. That's why there was a hung jury. Some agreed, some didn't.

What I'd like to know is what they couldn't agree on. Could they not agree on 1st, 2nd degree, manslaughter? Or could they not agree on whether or not it was justified?

It was 10-2 for 1st degree, then went to 9-3. That means the 3 against thought it was self defense.

Yesterday, I said someone thought it was justified. Not racism.

On the murder charge, Valerie said the jury split over the issue of self-defense.

Please note she is white, and thought he was guilty.. Racism ?

Can't believe I'm saying this, but can we keep race out of this for now?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

It was 10-2 for 1st degree, then went to 9-3. That means the 3 against thought it was self defense.

Yesterday, I said someone thought it was justified. Not racism.

On the murder charge, Valerie said the jury split over the issue of self-defense.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but can we keep race out of this for now?

But you have made it about race for three days, but I welcome that request.

I don't think they thought it was self defense but maybe not murder 1 or 2.

I personally would never have rang him up for murder 1.

Maybe murder 2 , but voluntary manslaughter as the appropriate charge here. The prosecutor over reached

As a side note I don't think charging a person with the highest possible charge, then saying OBTW if e don't get that can you maybe do b.c. or d is fair.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Can't believe I'm saying this, but can we keep race out of this for now?

Why now?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

That's why there was a hung jury.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Can't believe I'm saying this, but can we keep race out of this for now?

I'm proud of you man, keep up the good work.

I just don't see how it could be self defense or anything but murder. How did he fear for his life enough to pull a gun?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Anything to add?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Anything to add?

232684 + 356863 = ?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

232684 + 356863 = ?

So no, nothing. Moving on then!

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Why is murder two a "nicer" crime than murder one? Why is voluntary manslaughter "better" than murder two? If it's not self defense, then someone was killed that shouldn't have been killed. I fire into a car load of people but I accidentally kill someone?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

LOL Good one

Why is murder two a "nicer" crime than murder one? Why is voluntary manslaughter "better" than murder two? If it's not self defense, then someone was killed that shouldn't have been killed. I fire into a car load of people but I accidentally kill someone?

Because that is the way the law works. They look at murder committed during a passionate argument way different than you plan to rob a store and kill the owner.