Same Sex Visa, Fiance or Spouse ?

[rollyvaldez01 0]

Hi everybody, hope you guys can help us with our problems with my Visa.

My partner is a US citizen. Were planning to apply for a Fiance Visa but there is a big problem.We applied for tourist visa in 2010 and we told them that I met him in friendster and he is my friend Which is true we didnt tell them that he is my BF becoz I'm afraid they might deny the application if I told them but I was denied anyway even if we didn't told the consulate .

1. We applied again in 2012 for a Transit Visa becoz were going to visit Peru, we told them I am his personal assistant and he hired me at Jobstreet.com which was not true, I was denied again.

2. 2013 we apply tourist visa again we told them I am still his employee as a personal assistant. He was with me during the interview at the embassy. Still I was denied.

Now that DOMA is gone we are so happy, but because of my record previously were afraid about the result. Maybe they will block me becoz we lied to them about our relationship. We have all the documents to prove that we have relationship since we met in 2008, 6 years now were together and we have emails of our first conversations sinced 2008 and we have pictures of us together in different Countries in Asia and Europe, We have lived together for 6 years now .

Do you think if we get married in New Zealand first then petition me as a spouse we can go to United States? Or do you think they will consider me in fiance visa here and get approved then we can go to US to get married. In my opinion I think they will not believe me becoz I lied to them..If we knew that someday that an american citizen could petition their same sex partner, my record would have been CLEAN.

Is there anything other members here could share to us, any ideas what we can do? Thanks ...

Edited February 16, 2014 by rollyvaldez01

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Fiance or spouse, either way you will have a big problem with all the lies you told. Repeated misrep to the US gov. Not smart.

Good luck.

[Boiler 45,907]

As you have lied all the way so far, why would anybody believe what you say now?

[N and J 88]

A great idea would have been not to lie. Lying during a visa process of any kind is just stupid. You are dealing with the government who can pretty much find out anything about you at anytime.

[christeen 966]

Yes, lies very wrong... However, maybe plausible after spending all this time together you fell in love? You will however have some issues to overcome, build your case well and for the love of Pete, STOP THE LIES ... They will bite you in the end... I personally think the spouse route is stronger and you will have more time to collect evidence since your falling in love and getting married...

[TBoneTX 45,850]

*** Thread moved from K-1 Process forum to "What Visa Do I Need" forum -- no visa path has been chosen. ***

[notusinganymore 31]

I guess you should just stick to your story. Make it cohesive somehow. If they asked you during the tourist visa interviews whether you were together and you said no then that there is a lie. However, I do believe not volunteering an answer is not necessarily lying. What you did was misrepresentation which in layman's term can be called lying. So there's that. I would say getting married is better but they would still ask you regarding your past and you just have to think it thoroughly on how you'd answer them.

Good luck!

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

I guess you should just stick to your story. Make it cohesive somehow. If they asked you during the tourist visa interviews whether you were together and you said no then that there is a lie. However, I do believe not volunteering an answer is not necessarily lying. What you did was misrepresentation which in layman's term can be called lying. So there's that. I would say getting married is better but they would still ask you regarding your past and you just have to think it thoroughly on how you'd answer them.

Good luck!

No, suggesting they lie even more is a colossally bad idea. That would just dig a deeper hole for them.

That sort of thinking led them to making up 3 different lies for visa applications.

The US does not take lightly to liars.

[Cathi 5,782]

I guess you should just stick to your story. Make it cohesive somehow. If they asked you during the tourist visa interviews whether you were together and you said no then that there is a lie. However, I do believe not volunteering an answer is not necessarily lying. What you did was misrepresentation which in layman's term can be called lying. So there's that. I would say getting married is better but they would still ask you regarding your past and you just have to think it thoroughly on how you'd answer them.

Good luck!

Why on Earth would you suggest they lie even further? Misrepresentation in the visa process carries a ban, why would they want to dig themselves in even more?

[notusinganymore 31]

Well that made ripples. I said that they weren't necessarily lying but was misrepresenting which was equivalent to lying. Unless asked then do not volunteer the answer. That's called selective honesty and is not necessarily lying but like I said they did misrepresent which is still called lying.

I also said that they should stick to their story and make it cohesive. Meaning they say what they did in the past and think it through on how they'd relate their timeline. It can appear as lying but in the event they weren't asked before whether they were together or not, isn't that the same as not volunteering information? This is only if they weren't asked if they were together during tourist interview. Other than that my suggestions actually will result to them telling their past. You don't really believe someone goes to any interview, in any country, for any type of thing and says first "I lied". I was merely suggesting that they tell their story in a cohesive, appropriate, and chronological order. Their timeline is kind of crazy but nonetheless they should be able to appropriately address what they have done.

I know it went off as a suggestion of them lying but as I see it, it was telling them what they did (which is misrepresenting) and what they can do (relate their story in the right way).

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Well that made ripples. I said that they weren't necessarily lying but was misrepresenting which was equivalent to lying. Unless asked then do not volunteer the answer. That's called selective honesty and is not necessarily lying but like I said they did misrepresent which is still called lying.

I also said that they should stick to their story and make it cohesive. Meaning they say what they did in the past and think it through on how they'd relate their timeline. It can appear as lying but in the event they weren't asked before whether they were together or not, isn't that the same as not volunteering information? This is only if they weren't asked if they were together during tourist interview. Other than that my suggestions actually will result to them telling their past. You don't really believe someone goes to any interview, in any country, for any type of thing and says first "I lied". I was merely suggesting that they tell their story in a cohesive, appropriate, and chronological order. Their timeline is kind of crazy but nonetheless they should be able to appropriately address what they have done.

I know it went off as a suggestion of them lying but as I see it, it was telling them what they did (which is misrepresenting) and what they can do (relate their story in the right way).

I am sorry that you do not understand the concept of telling the truth.

Edited February 16, 2014 by Harpa Timsah

[notusinganymore 31]

We just have a different concept of what truth is an how it is told.

I know the importance of tellkng the truth and I do acknowledge that is what you are adamantly saying. True it is very important both for the petitioner and beneficiary but I just have my own concept of how it should be delivered.

They'll be doing the right thing, the right way.

[NikLR 13,231]

The importance of misrepresentation to the US government is a lifetime ban to the USA. Lying by omission or by actually lying (misrepresentation is LYING) is a very serious offense. The right way is to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing BUT the TRUTH.

The OP lied. Period. They will have a large hurdle to overcome to get either a fiance or spousal visa. I suggest legal counsel.

[Cathi 5,782]

Well that made ripples. I said that they weren't necessarily lying but was misrepresenting which was equivalent to lying. Unless asked then do not volunteer the answer. That's called selective honesty and is not necessarily lying but like I said they did misrepresent which is still called lying.

I also said that they should stick to their story and make it cohesive. Meaning they say what they did in the past and think it through on how they'd relate their timeline. It can appear as lying but in the event they weren't asked before whether they were together or not, isn't that the same as not volunteering information? This is only if they weren't asked if they were together during tourist interview. Other than that my suggestions actually will result to them telling their past. You don't really believe someone goes to any interview, in any country, for any type of thing and says first "I lied". I was merely suggesting that they tell their story in a cohesive, appropriate, and chronological order. Their timeline is kind of crazy but nonetheless they should be able to appropriately address what they have done.

I know it went off as a suggestion of them lying but as I see it, it was telling them what they did (which is misrepresenting) and what they can do (relate their story in the right way).

What don't you understand? Continuing to hold to their story will just magnify the lies they have already told, and they will have to lie even even more to hold to the story. Stop telling the OP to lie, which is in essence what you are doing.

[Cathi 5,782]

We just have a different concept of what truth is an how it is told.

I know the importance of tellkng the truth and I do acknowledge that is what you are adamantly saying. True it is very important both for the petitioner and beneficiary but I just have my own concept of how it should be delivered.

They'll be doing the right thing, the right way.

Yeah, your concept is to lie even more. Just be quiet you are going to lead the OP to believe your "concept" is OK, which it isn't.