Should Muslim Women Take Off Any Covering That Diminishes The Abiltiy for 100% Identification

[Heartland 0]

OK here is a topic... For any identification photos ( passport, license etc) Should Muslim women take off any covering that diminishes the ability for anyone to identify her and give a 100% positive identification??

I think when security becomes an issue not just hers, but we as a people as a whole, that personal choices must be put to the side. My DH says, when in Rome do as the Romans do. If I went to Saudi Arabia and was required to don any clothing acceptable for them I would because It is their laws.

Wendy

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[sarah and hicham 3]

I think that's a good idea to not break out the skorts in Saudi Arabia .

I don't know the laws or rules associated with identification in the US and whether or not one can be covered in photos.

If a woman who covers is asked to remove her hijab for photos is that ok?

[Henia 11]

In many countries, including the US for passport and visa pics you must not have any head covering now... that is the law(DL and state IDs are a bit different and vary state to state...I know in Cali women are allowed to veil and also in my state MI).......and again use common sense...the people takng your picture and looking at it... are professionals...so they will not be looking for sexual reasons.

Also in the case of Saudia Arabia, for example people wanting to visit on pilgrimage, women MUST have a pic of themselves veiled in their passport in order to enter... I understand covering in person when you are there, but even your passport pic?

Edited December 30, 2006 by Henia

[keltic 1]

I think that's a good idea to not break out the skorts in Saudi Arabia .

I don't know the laws or rules associated with identification in the US and whether or not one can be covered in photos.

If a woman who covers is asked to remove her hijab for photos is that ok?

according to a judge in florida...

A Florida judge ruled in early June that a Muslim woman's religious liberties are not violated by the state's demand that her driver's license include a photo without her religiously mandated veil.

http://goliath.ecnext.com/comsite5/bin/pdi...id=0199-2988317

i am sure there is another link with the full story without having to pay, but this is a quick one

personally, anyone who wishes to wear hijab should be perfectly able (and safe) to wear it... the woman doesnt have to wear her photo ID where everyone can see it... its only for when she needs to produce an ID... the ID is not for identifying a veil, its for identifying the person behind it

but that is my 2 cents and may not be worth even that much to some folk

[Donna A 4]

when my friend covered the liscence place told her to uncover to renew her liscence. she refused and got ahold of someone and they told her she can remain covered. so that person told the liscence place it was ok.

[Aymerlu 3]

I think it depends on exactly how covered they are. If you can't see their face, then yeah.... I think the face should be able to be seen.

A few years ago a friend of mine was going through chemo and it was time to get her license renewed. She wore a cute colored turbin-like head covering that the cancer center had shown her how to make. They told her she had to remove it to get her pic taken! So she left, went and got a wig that was totally not her hair color (BRIGHT RED) and they were ok with that.

[amal 4]

very good topic also... a photo ID is to show who she is....but also she is not to be showing herself to any man (outside family) . My husband says that most women who wear hijab, have their photo id's with hijab on....he said that if they have pictures without hijab, they NEVER show them but they keep them for themselves (coz every girl likes to see themselves all pretty-fied)..

I say..if she is normally in hijab, then the id should be of her in hijab...... hard call though

[Heartland 0]

I didnt know I had to have a veiled passport photo to get into saudi arabia...wow! But in the usa passports are not done with veils ect... so how would one go around that???

Wendy

In many countries, including the US for passport and visa pics you must not have any head covering now... that is the law(DL and state IDs are a bit different and vary state to state...I know in Cali women are allowed to veil and also in my state MI).......and again use common sense...the people takng your picture and looking at it... are professionals...so they will not be looking for sexual reasons.

Also in the case of Saudia Arabia, for example people wanting to visit on pilgrimage, women MUST have a pic of themselves veiled in their passport in order to enter... I understand covering in person when you are there, but even your passport pic?

[Henia 11]

This may be different for business travelers or other people ... I am not even sure women (leaisure) travelers are even admitted to KSA. Reading their www and various Hajj booklet (here in the US and in DZ) I get the impression they are not. But in the booklet I read in the travel agency where I buy my tickets, it clearly states that ALL women on pilgrimage to KSA MUST be veiled in their passport. Also states for those who are curious, that converts must provide prove that they are Muslim. Veiling in many countries, where Religious police are around seems like the only way. When I went to Arabia, on the flight, literally as the cpatain anounced that we were getting ready to land, a mass of women around took out their niqabs ... I did not of course, since the country I went did not have a law about it. As I got off the plane everyone stared at me. And kept staring until in the terminal I realised I was the only woman without it. Of course quickly, I bought a niqab and sharshaf to use for my time there.

I didnt know I had to have a veiled passport photo to get into saudi arabia...wow! But in the usa passports are not done with veils ect... so how would one go around that???

Wendy

In many countries, including the US for passport and visa pics you must not have any head covering now... that is the law(DL and state IDs are a bit different and vary state to state...I know in Cali women are allowed to veil and also in my state MI).......and again use common sense...the people takng your picture and looking at it... are professionals...so they will not be looking for sexual reasons.

Also in the case of Saudia Arabia, for example people wanting to visit on pilgrimage, women MUST have a pic of themselves veiled in their passport in order to enter... I understand covering in person when you are there, but even your passport pic?

[Bosco 1]

I know women who have made the hajj without a veiled passport photo. However, the extra passport size photos they turned in for the Saudi ID cards were done veiled.

It isn't only converts that have to show proof they are Muslim, it can be asked of anyone with a non-Muslim sounding name.

Non-pilgrim women visitors do not need to be veiled. My mother has traveled to Saudi numerous times and never covered.

[Henia 11]

Hmm... I wonder why then did that booklet in the travel agency say that? Maybe lwas have changed and it was out of date? I am going to ask someone who lives in KSA about this...