Is it okay to go from wearing hijab to not wearing hijab?

[UmmSqueakster 54]

While I am not Melly, I will attempt to read Melly's mind and say this:

When she says think, I believe that she was infering that other people chose to follow scholars and evidence that hijab in the form of a headcovering is a fard.

If one believe hijab is fard, they're not ignoring rules, they're following evidence and have reached a conclusion different from yours. To imply that women who believe hijab is fard are making things up as they go along is kind of insulting.

And now, to hijack the thread in the direction of hijab fashion, I'm ordering a swimsuit from Splashgear, huzzah! I'm going swimming, I'm going swimming *happy dance*

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'm sorry, but I'm only saying what is fact. Saying that something is fard because you "think" it is is like saying a measurement of a yard is 24 inches because you think it is. Some things in Islam are just facts, and you can disreagard them if you want, but that is not recommended.

I don't make these statements because i think. I make these statements because i have studied fiqh and its evolution over time. There is not one single school of jurisprudence and scholars do disagree. I happen to agree your interpretation is the correct one, but i am also hesitant to be so arrogant to say I am absolutley right in any matter that belongs to God.

It's not arrogant to follow the methodology and come to a empirical conclusion. All roads point to God not caring about headcovering. You see that, I see that.

I'm not anything other than curious and I do very much appreciate your answer, mbp. It's ok for each Muslima to decide on this issue for themselves. I was only explaining how fard is determined. It's difficult for me to sit by and see legal terms used incorrectly without commenting. I apologize if I came across with a lack of adab.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

While I am not Melly, I will attempt to read Melly's mind and say this:

When she says think, I believe that she was infering that other people chose to follow scholars and evidence that hijab in the form of a headcovering is a fard.

If one believe hijab is fard, they're not ignoring rules, they're following evidence and have reached a conclusion different from yours. To imply that women who believe hijab is fard are making things up as they go along is kind of insulting.

Nothing insulting about it if you also discuss how fard is proven, thus adding something to knowledge. I did that, and it is true that headcovering does not meet the test of fard, no matter what scholars (who are not God) say. Now, if someone wants to wear it, fine, but if they claim it is fard with no proof, that will be challenged.

Edited January 5, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

[mybackpages 0]

And now, to hijack the thread in the direction of hijab fashion, I'm ordering a swimsuit from Splashgear, huzzah! I'm going swimming, I'm going swimming *happy dance*

I LOVE thier slogan- "the water is calling, answer it!"

No matter what one's defination of hijab is, it was meant to liberate the women not oppress them, so I am glad to see a site like this

[mybackpages 0]

I'm sorry, but I'm only saying what is fact. Saying that something is fard because you "think" it is is like saying a measurement of a yard is 24 inches because you think it is. Some things in Islam are just facts, and you can disreagard them if you want, but that is not recommended.

I don't make these statements because i think. I make these statements because i have studied fiqh and its evolution over time. There is not one single school of jurisprudence and scholars do disagree. I happen to agree your interpretation is the correct one, but i am also hesitant to be so arrogant to say I am absolutley right in any matter that belongs to God.

It's not arrogant to follow the methodology and come to a empirical conclusion. All roads point to God not caring about headcovering. You see that, I see that.

I'm not anything other than curious and I do very much appreciate your answer, mbp. It's ok for each Muslima to decide on this issue for themselves. I was only explaining how fard is determined. It's difficult for me to sit by and see legal terms used incorrectly without commenting. I apologize if I came across with a lack of adab.

no probs- my biggest pet peeve in understanding islamic jurisprudence is probably the same as yours if I understand you correcty. adn I do think it is important to challenge the methodology used to reach conclusions in order to try to reach the correct understanding of the Quran.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'm sorry, but I'm only saying what is fact. Saying that something is fard because you "think" it is is like saying a measurement of a yard is 24 inches because you think it is. Some things in Islam are just facts, and you can disreagard them if you want, but that is not recommended.

I don't make these statements because i think. I make these statements because i have studied fiqh and its evolution over time. There is not one single school of jurisprudence and scholars do disagree. I happen to agree your interpretation is the correct one, but i am also hesitant to be so arrogant to say I am absolutley right in any matter that belongs to God.

It's not arrogant to follow the methodology and come to a empirical conclusion. All roads point to God not caring about headcovering. You see that, I see that.

I'm not anything other than curious and I do very much appreciate your answer, mbp. It's ok for each Muslima to decide on this issue for themselves. I was only explaining how fard is determined. It's difficult for me to sit by and see legal terms used incorrectly without commenting. I apologize if I came across with a lack of adab.

no probs- my biggest pet peeve in understanding islamic jurisprudence is probably the same as yours if I understand you correcty. adn I do think it is important to challenge the methodology used to reach conclusions in order to try to reach the correct understanding of the Quran.

[sarah and hicham 3]

green eyed girl are you somoene I know who changed their name and avatar?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

green eyed girl are you somoene I know who changed their name and avatar?

That's no secret.

[sarah and hicham 3]

green eyed girl are you somoene I know who changed their name and avatar?

That's no secret.

I just figured it out after reading more of your posts.

[mybackpages 0]

green eyed girl are you somoene I know who changed their name and avatar?

That's no secret.

I just figured it out after reading more of your posts.

Sarah- obviously you are slacking off on time spent on VJ. Stop paying attention your real life and pay attention here

[doodlebug 3]

I'm also curious. What does it symbolize besides modesty?

Politics. Hijab wasn't hot until after the 1967 war. It was an embarrassing loss to Israel, and after that, the pressure to assert a Muslim pride surged and most of it was directed as controlling Muslim women because Muslim governments and Muslim men needed something to control and feel potent. For centuries, Muslim women have been considered to be the repository of honor and tradition.

Historical Perspectives On Islamic Dress

I'm confused...my husband is under the impression that Egypt won that war so how was it embarassing?

[doodlebug 3]

Someone did mention in a post that a woman (in the U.S.) wearing hijab receives more attention than women who don't. And for me that's kind of a sticking point, because I think the whole point of hijab is to protect the woman and give her respectability, and if it fails to do that in a particular culture, then I personally don't think the woman should wear it.

Exactly how I feel. In Cairo I would have drawn even more attention to myself from NOT wearing it. I remember walking along the bridge that crosses the Nile (forget the name of it) and we stopped for a bit. There were three girls not wearing hijaab and I noticed a lot of guys...mostly younger though, staring at them and talking about them. I felt very good wearing hijaab there because I did not stand out to the men.

Here, however, I'd stick out like a sore thumb. It's not that I suddenly interpret the Quran differently.....I think it means modesty and the purpose is not to incite attention from the men, so in Egypt that means I wear the scarf and dress very modestly and here in Boston it means that I dress modestly.

Like anything else though, my view may change in time. I do miss wearing it. Especially this morning, I took a bath and then went to get dressed and realized I had to actually care about what my hair looks like. It was niiiiice just slippin the scarf on in the morning without fussing with the curling iron, etc.

[mybackpages 0]

I'm also curious. What does it symbolize besides modesty?

Politics. Hijab wasn't hot until after the 1967 war. It was an embarrassing loss to Israel, and after that, the pressure to assert a Muslim pride surged and most of it was directed as controlling Muslim women because Muslim governments and Muslim men needed something to control and feel potent. For centuries, Muslim women have been considered to be the repository of honor and tradition.

Historical Perspectives On Islamic Dress

I'm confused...my husband is under the impression that Egypt won that war so how was it embarassing?

The outcome of the war is viewed differently depending on which country you talk to. At the end the war Israel did gain control of the gaza strip, the sanai penisula and the west bank. Not a "victory" so to speak for Egypt.

[doodlebug 3]

I'm also curious. What does it symbolize besides modesty?

Politics. Hijab wasn't hot until after the 1967 war. It was an embarrassing loss to Israel, and after that, the pressure to assert a Muslim pride surged and most of it was directed as controlling Muslim women because Muslim governments and Muslim men needed something to control and feel potent. For centuries, Muslim women have been considered to be the repository of honor and tradition.

Historical Perspectives On Islamic Dress

I'm confused...my husband is under the impression that Egypt won that war so how was it embarassing?

The outcome of the war is viewed differently depending on which country you talk to. At the end the war Israel did gain control of the gaza strip, the sanai penisula and the west bank. Not a "victory" so to speak for Egypt.

That's why I'm so confused. He sounded so proud when he spoke of it and I always thought Israel won but then I figured he should know since he lives there but then who knows. So confusing.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I'm also curious. What does it symbolize besides modesty?

Politics. Hijab wasn't hot until after the 1967 war. It was an embarrassing loss to Israel, and after that, the pressure to assert a Muslim pride surged and most of it was directed as controlling Muslim women because Muslim governments and Muslim men needed something to control and feel potent. For centuries, Muslim women have been considered to be the repository of honor and tradition.

Historical Perspectives On Islamic Dress

I'm confused...my husband is under the impression that Egypt won that war so how was it embarassing?

The outcome of the war is viewed differently depending on which country you talk to. At the end the war Israel did gain control of the gaza strip, the sanai penisula and the west bank. Not a "victory" so to speak for Egypt.

That's why I'm so confused. He sounded so proud when he spoke of it and I always thought Israel won but then I figured he should know since he lives there but then who knows. So confusing.

It seems he is talking about the 1973 war (also known as the Yom Kippur War, or the 1973 Arab-Israeli War, or the October War, or the Ramadan War.) This war, while not an outright victory for Egypt, left Israel reeling and put Anwar Sadat in a much more powerful position in negotiating Egypt's peace treaty with Israel. This led to Egypt's recovery of the occupied Sinai in 1978.

The 1967 war (also known as the Six-Day War, or the 1967 Arab-Israeli War) was not a victory for Egypt by any stretch of the imagination. Launched by Israel in what it termed a "pre-emptive" attack on the neighboring countries of Syria, Egypt and Jordan, the war indeed left the West Bank, the Gaza strip, the Golan Heights and the Sinai under Israeli occupation. The repercussions of Israel's actions, which drove hundreds of thousands of Palestinians into exile (added to the 750,000 Palestinian refugees driven out during the creation of Israel in 1948) continue to feed hostilities through the present day.