Is it okay to go from wearing hijab to not wearing hijab?

[peezey 0]

Speaking of this, in my experience, I've learned there are few English interpretations of the qu'ran acceptable to mainstream muslims. Is there something actually written about this? I've found several sites that compare translations and most often Yusuf Ali's is held up as the most accurate translation. But is there any particular ruling about modern translations?

[amal 4]

I'm tired of this... I quote a piece of quraan given by a respectable website and all of a sudden I'm satan yet again. Come on, anyone else want to tell me how wrong and stupid I am? Please, come on in and feel free. geez

ok.. I want to make something very clear here.... I DO NOT cover my head, I DO NOT wear gloves or wear long dresses or always wear high neck clothes. I do not say that I am a perfect muslim nor do I want anybody to think I am. I will never change my name to gain a new identity. I do not claim to know anything more about Islam than any of you. If you all still can't understand that.....then there's nothing I can do about it. I just wanted to be part of the conversation but I am afraid that any time i try to do this lately, I become the one to put down. I try to help and get crushed, I try to tell somebody my interpretation and get shot down but yet everybody else and their cousins can talk about Islam and be praised ...EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT MUSLIM... I am sorry I ever came into this thread or this forum for that matter. I have done my best to be a peace keeper and see both sides of the fence but I now see that it has only caused me to be seen as an idiot and someone who everyone chooses to pick her threads apart and let her know what a stupid horrible muslim she is ESPECIALLY for reading and interpreting a piece of the quraan in a different way than you.

Thanks for your time and thanks for continually reducing me to the stupid idiot you all think I am. I know now that I am not welcome to post here anymore...or at least I'm not free to have my own opinion. I give up. It is just not worth it anymore.

[Jenn! 918]

I'm tired of this... I quote a piece of quraan given by a respectable website and all of a sudden I'm satan yet again. Come on, anyone else want to tell me how wrong and stupid I am? Please, come on in and feel free. geez

ok.. I want to make something very clear here.... I DO NOT cover my head, I DO NOT wear gloves or wear long dresses or always wear high neck clothes. I do not say that I am a perfect muslim nor do I want anybody to think I am. I will never change my name to gain a new identity. I do not claim to know anything more about Islam than any of you. If you all still can't understand that.....then there's nothing I can do about it. I just wanted to be part of the conversation but I am afraid that any time i try to do this lately, I become the one to put down. I try to help and get crushed, I try to tell somebody my interpretation and get shot down but yet everybody else and their cousins can talk about Islam and be praised ...EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT MUSLIM... I am sorry I ever came into this thread or this forum for that matter. I have done my best to be a peace keeper and see both sides of the fence but I now see that it has only caused me to be seen as an idiot and someone who everyone chooses to pick her threads apart and let her know what a stupid horrible muslim she is ESPECIALLY for reading and interpreting a piece of the quraan in a different way than you.

Thanks for your time and thanks for continually reducing me to the stupid idiot you all think I am. I know now that I am not welcome to post here anymore...or at least I'm not free to have my own opinion. I give up. It is just not worth it anymore.

amal,

I really hope that this was just an angry post and that you wouldn't actually stop coming to this forum. Many people just haven't been brave enough to put themselves out there as you have, especially those who share your point of view. I really don't think that people are trying to pick on you, they just happen to disagree with your opinion.

It doesn't mean that your contribution here is not valued or as important as anyone else's here.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

This is why hijab is not a good topic on public forums. Someone always gets hurt.

If it matters to you at all, amal, I don't think you're stupid, an idiot or anything of the sort. I do wonder why this is such a big, dayum deal to converts when there is so much more about Islam that's ignored. That's just my frustration talking.

[mybackpages 0]

I'm tired of this... I quote a piece of quraan given by a respectable website and all of a sudden I'm satan yet again. Come on, anyone else want to tell me how wrong and stupid I am? Please, come on in and feel free. geez

ok.. I want to make something very clear here.... I DO NOT cover my head, I DO NOT wear gloves or wear long dresses or always wear high neck clothes. I do not say that I am a perfect muslim nor do I want anybody to think I am. I will never change my name to gain a new identity. I do not claim to know anything more about Islam than any of you. If you all still can't understand that.....then there's nothing I can do about it. I just wanted to be part of the conversation but I am afraid that any time i try to do this lately, I become the one to put down. I try to help and get crushed, I try to tell somebody my interpretation and get shot down but yet everybody else and their cousins can talk about Islam and be praised ...EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT MUSLIM... I am sorry I ever came into this thread or this forum for that matter. I have done my best to be a peace keeper and see both sides of the fence but I now see that it has only caused me to be seen as an idiot and someone who everyone chooses to pick her threads apart and let her know what a stupid horrible muslim she is ESPECIALLY for reading and interpreting a piece of the quraan in a different way than you.

Thanks for your time and thanks for continually reducing me to the stupid idiot you all think I am. I know now that I am not welcome to post here anymore...or at least I'm not free to have my own opinion. I give up. It is just not worth it anymore.

amal,

I really hope that this was just an angry post and that you wouldn't actually stop coming to this forum. Many people just haven't been brave enough to put themselves out there as you have, especially those who share your point of view. I really don't think that people are trying to pick on you, they just happen to disagree with your opinion.

It doesn't mean that your contribution here is not valued or as important as anyone else's here.

Right! I suspect Amal is valued by the same women who disagree with her. I know I disagree strongly, but its the argument I am disagreeing with and I value Amal here very much. Even if she likes to lick all the chocolate off the strawberries so no one else can eat them!

[melly 0]

I agree with MPB, Jenn and szsz. If I ever posted anything it was only to state an opinion and I hope nothing that I said ever made you feel bad.

There is certainly room, as you stated, for everyone to have their own interpretation on things.

I do get the feeling, as you do, that some here think they're better than others, and even if they don't think that, it certainly comes accross that way very strongly at times.

[peezey 0]

I'm tired of this... I quote a piece of quraan given by a respectable website and all of a sudden I'm satan yet again. Come on, anyone else want to tell me how wrong and stupid I am? Please, come on in and feel free. geez

ok.. I want to make something very clear here.... I DO NOT cover my head, I DO NOT wear gloves or wear long dresses or always wear high neck clothes. I do not say that I am a perfect muslim nor do I want anybody to think I am. I will never change my name to gain a new identity. I do not claim to know anything more about Islam than any of you. If you all still can't understand that.....then there's nothing I can do about it. I just wanted to be part of the conversation but I am afraid that any time i try to do this lately, I become the one to put down. I try to help and get crushed, I try to tell somebody my interpretation and get shot down but yet everybody else and their cousins can talk about Islam and be praised ...EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT MUSLIM... I am sorry I ever came into this thread or this forum for that matter. I have done my best to be a peace keeper and see both sides of the fence but I now see that it has only caused me to be seen as an idiot and someone who everyone chooses to pick her threads apart and let her know what a stupid horrible muslim she is ESPECIALLY for reading and interpreting a piece of the quraan in a different way than you.

Thanks for your time and thanks for continually reducing me to the stupid idiot you all think I am. I know now that I am not welcome to post here anymore...or at least I'm not free to have my own opinion. I give up. It is just not worth it anymore.

Amal, I am not judging your choices about hijab, I'm far more interested in learning what the quran says. I'm not an expert and clearly there are many interpretations. I appreciate your input and thought that this was a discussion to learn from each other.

[AngelK96 0]

I'm tired of this... I quote a piece of quraan given by a respectable website and all of a sudden I'm satan yet again. Come on, anyone else want to tell me how wrong and stupid I am? Please, come on in and feel free. geez

ok.. I want to make something very clear here.... I DO NOT cover my head, I DO NOT wear gloves or wear long dresses or always wear high neck clothes. I do not say that I am a perfect muslim nor do I want anybody to think I am. I will never change my name to gain a new identity. I do not claim to know anything more about Islam than any of you. If you all still can't understand that.....then there's nothing I can do about it. I just wanted to be part of the conversation but I am afraid that any time i try to do this lately, I become the one to put down. I try to help and get crushed, I try to tell somebody my interpretation and get shot down but yet everybody else and their cousins can talk about Islam and be praised ...EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT MUSLIM... I am sorry I ever came into this thread or this forum for that matter. I have done my best to be a peace keeper and see both sides of the fence but I now see that it has only caused me to be seen as an idiot and someone who everyone chooses to pick her threads apart and let her know what a stupid horrible muslim she is ESPECIALLY for reading and interpreting a piece of the quraan in a different way than you.

Thanks for your time and thanks for continually reducing me to the stupid idiot you all think I am. I know now that I am not welcome to post here anymore...or at least I'm not free to have my own opinion. I give up. It is just not worth it anymore.

amal,

I hope you continue to post. You are a newly convert and are still learning..you are not expected to know everything because nobody knows everything we are not perfect human beings. You can read and read and listen to other people about the quran and it's teachings, but you in the end will know what is right to you and what to follow!

[StupidJourney 0]

This is an interesting question and one that I wanted to post recently but didn't in fear of getting into an argument.

As a practical matter, if wearing the hijab (and conservative dress) is required for salat, it seems like woman should just wear it all day. It just seems easier that way.

But from what I've read I've gotten so many conflicted answers about whether or not it's required or not that I've decided to give up trying to answer that question for myself until I am further along in the conversion process.

Someone did mention in a post that a woman (in the U.S.) wearing hijab receives more attention than women who don't. And for me that's kind of a sticking point, because I think the whole point of hijab is to protect the woman and give her respectability, and if it fails to do that in a particular culture, then I personally don't think the woman should wear it.

I remember reading someone's interpretation of quran which stated that the quran asks women to cover their bosoms and dress modestly. Modesty is interepred differently in many cultures; what's appropriate in one is not appropriate in others. Because of the debate that has surrounded this issue, it seems like the quran was vague and maybe this was for a reason.

Of course, maybe I'm one of those people who are interpretting the quran to suit my needs, becuase I don't want to wear hijab. i'm not sure yet. That's why I've decided to set aside that issue and concentrate on the more important aspects of islam.

I appreciate everyone's answers about this issue!

[mybackpages 0]

I remember reading someone's interpretation of quran which stated that the quran asks women to cover their bosoms and dress modestly. Modesty is interepred differently in many cultures; what's appropriate in one is not appropriate in others. Because of the debate that has surrounded this issue, it seems like the quran was vague and maybe this was for a reason.

Liz,

This is the point I keep coming back to when trying to understand the Quran. In trying to understand Surat un Nur (24) 30-31 without interpreting it too much, my understanding is that it says-A Muslim woman should guard their modesty and not display her beauty and adornment except for which must ordinarily appear (or is apparent). The women are told to draw their "veil" to cover themselves.

In trying to understand how this applies to me, to a Muslim woman in this time and culture- I understand that this is an article of clothing that the women of that time had traditionally worn for ages. It's not an article of clothing I have as part of my wardrobe, yet I do have clothing that I can "draw across myself" to keep my modesty. Why would that not meet this requirement?

For me Islam is not a religion tied to 14th century Arabia. In fact, we are taught it is older than the revelations given to this commnity and applies to all of mankind. Surely God does not have the expectation that we model our dress to this one cultural expression of modesty.

I know we are also taught that this first community of Muslims had the most pure interpretation of the Quran and Islam and we can use their exampe to model our modern community, but for me this is more abstract and extends to the meanings behind the day to day practices than the actual behaviors.

When studying the interpretation of this verse- you will find most scholars have a much more strict interpretation than I do. But I do not put a great deal of weight on these scholars. Some scholars are excellent sources, others have allowed cultural influences, politics and human flaws to color their work. The trick is to learn which schoalrship is valid and which is not.

[ya falaha! 0]

Hasn't this subject been discussed time and again already? A piece of cloth on the head doesn't define how religious or spiritual a person is. Not sure why this is so intriguing and why it's discussed over and over again.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Hasn't this subject been discussed time and again already? A piece of cloth on the head doesn't define how religious or spiritual a person is. Not sure why this is so intriguing and why it's discussed over and over again.

it seems some think otherwise, and that could explain why the exodus from this forum by some members.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Hasn't this subject been discussed time and again already? A piece of cloth on the head doesn't define how religious or spiritual a person is. Not sure why this is so intriguing and why it's discussed over and over again.

I'm with you, moody. IMO, it's a tactic that has done little other than to serve as a diversion from what's important and a division between those who need to ally themselves together the most. I think it's repeatedly discussed because (1) It's culturally visible, (2) there's a lot pressure on women to wear it, and (3) it distracts women from learning about the ways they've been cheated out of rights they had in the Prophet's day that have been stripped away.

I remember reading someone's interpretation of quran which stated that the quran asks women to cover their bosoms and dress modestly. Modesty is interepred differently in many cultures; what's appropriate in one is not appropriate in others. Because of the debate that has surrounded this issue, it seems like the quran was vague and maybe this was for a reason.

That's always been my position. I don't wear hijab, don't feel bad about not wearing it, and don't believe I'm betraying anything other than my Arab heritage.

[sarachid 0]

This is why hijab is not a good topic on public forums. Someone always gets hurt.

If it matters to you at all, amal, I don't think you're stupid, an idiot or anything of the sort. I do wonder why this is such a big, dayum deal to converts when there is so much more about Islam that's ignored. That's just my frustration talking.

consider who started this thread... that will answer your question

[Bosco 1]

and the digs at Sarah T resume.