U’ Students Want Crime Alerts To Avoid Using Racial Descriptions

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Hi Danno!

Allow me to enlighten you and others about a subject you clearly know nothing about. The word Negro derives from the word Negroid which along with Caucasian & Mongoloid were anthropological words to describe people belonging to certain racial groups - coincidentally, by no surprise, these were white anthropologists and I don't recall their names but it's of no importance. While the other two terms denote geographic locations, the word Negro has no geographic reference. This ties directly into the dehumanizing strategy of alienating indigenous people of Africa during the slave trade from their homeland. It was part of the process which was practiced to cut Black people out of any connection to our history, cultures, religions, and who we were. In effect to systematically erase one from the history books and replace an identity with an obscure word like Negro or Negroid.

In the 1960s during the Civil Rights movement Blacks threw out that word as part of a greater cultural awareness and opted for Black, Afro American, and later African American. The reason why many Blacks used the word Negro before the 1960s is bc that is what Whites called us and that was the word accepted in White society. Our rights were very limited and it was not by personal choice to call ourselves Negro or Colored.

On a side note my 102 yr old aunt still calls Black people colored, she from a different time.

But there you have it since it's Black History Month I thought I'd help you out, you're welcome.

Actually at one time Negro was the enlightened word, that educated and politically correct people used. It took a while for many to stop using words like Nigra and colored and of course the really bad word ***, Words are what we make of them and they are only offensive if you allow them to be.

As for me, I prefer Black if I have to use a description, but would pray that one day it's just simply "My fellow American". Of course as long as Black leaders that stay in the public eye, keep fanning the flames of racial discourse, and blacks keep seeing the racial bogeyman in everything and anything it will never get better.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Actually at one time Negro was the enlightened word, that educated and politically correct people used. It took a while for many to stop using words like Nigra and colored and of course the really bad word ***, Words are what we make of them and they are only offensive if you allow them to be.

As for me, I prefer Black if I have to use a description, but would pray that one day it's just simply "My fellow American". Of course as long as Black leaders that stay in the public eye, keep fanning the flames of racial discourse, and blacks keep seeing the racial bogeyman in everything and anything it will never get better.

So, you're saying there is no racism?

[lostinblue 1,989]

So, you're saying there is no racism?

We white people love being called cracker in this board. Some have said it is a term of "endearment" ,,,But I see from many You Tube postings that prior to knocking out an 80 year old woman and stomping her face into the ground ... Cracker is often used before the attack. to describe her.

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Nature that is your opinion. I did not give an opinion, rather just stating historical facts as to the word origin and it's use.

Language and words are very important in controlling people. Ask any native American, the same policy was done on reservations by forcing people to change their names to be more White.

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We white people love being called cracker in this board. Some have said it is a term of "endearment" ,,,But I see from many You Tube postings that prior to knocking out an 80 year old woman and stomping her face into the ground ... Cracker is often used before the attack. to describe her.

The origin of the word cracker is not a racial one. Cracker is the proper term for a name that is part of a whip. Slaves would refer to the person who wielding the whip as a cracker or being hit by the cracker as in the whip. If you have ever read any slave narratives. Many times it was other Black slaves that whipped other slaves at the orders of the slave masters. So technically it would be accurate to call another Black a cracker.

The word was never used to implicitly describe a racial trait.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

We white people love being called cracker in this board. Some have said it is a term of "endearment" ,,,But I see from many You Tube postings that prior to knocking out an 80 year old woman and stomping her face into the ground ... Cracker is often used before the attack. to describe her.

So cracker has the same connotation as the N word, correct?

[Danno 1,228]

Hi Danno!

Allow me to enlighten you and others about a subject you clearly know nothing about. The word Negro derives from the word Negroid which along with Caucasian & Mongoloid were anthropological words to describe people belonging to certain racial groups - coincidentally, by no surprise, these were white anthropologists and I don't recall their names but it's of no importance. While the other two terms denote geographic locations, the word Negro has no geographic reference. This ties directly into the dehumanizing strategy of alienating indigenous people of Africa during the slave trade from their homeland. It was part of the process which was practiced to cut Black people out of any connection to our history, cultures, religions, and who we were. In effect to systematically erase one from the history books and replace an identity with an obscure word like Negro or Negroid.

In the 1960s during the Civil Rights movement Blacks threw out that word as part of a greater cultural awareness and opted for Black, Afro American, and later African American. The reason why many Blacks used the word Negro before the 1960s is bc that is what Whites called us and that was the word accepted in White society. Our rights were very limited and it was not by personal choice to call ourselves Negro or Colored.

On a side note my 102 yr old aunt still calls Black people colored, she from a different time.

But there you have it since it's Black History Month I thought I'd help you out, you're welcome.

Jinx I appreciate your study in Black history and not to diminish your lesson, but I think most people are aware of how some of these terms evolved (which was not my point at all.

Since you study these things.... what were the terms being used for the different races in Africa by Africans.... before the slave trade from the North and later by Europeans?

I'd like to know the flattering name they used for whites when they discovered Europe?

One thing you helped me to see was the big conspiracy to erase African culture, religions and African science. Here all this time I thought they just wanted workers to cut Sugar cane or chop cotton. Who knew they would pick that one part of the world.... indeed that one part of africa to wage that type of war.... what was so offensive about that one region of Africa?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So, you're saying there is no racism?

Oh Jesus Marvin, I swear I just think you like me putting my head on your shoulder when we dance the same dance over and over

Of course I am not saying that

Racism is alive and well

Here is just one example of how it is alive and well

Jay-Z: “If you having girl problems, I feel bad for you, son. I got 99 problems and one of them is the bad publicity I received after I refused to let any white people into my Brits after-party this year.”

Source: http://www.hecklerspray.com/top-10-racist-celebrity-rants/201046391.php#ixzz2sIBXeqfj

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Jinx I appreciate your study in Black history and not to diminish your lesson, but I think most people are aware of how some of these terms evolved (which was not my point at all.

Since you study these things.... what were the terms being used for the different races in Africa by Africans.... before the slave trade from the North and later by Europeans?

I'd like to know the flattering name they used for whites when they discovered Europe?

One thing you helped me to see was the big conspiracy to erase African culture, religions and African science. Here all this time I thought they just wanted workers to cut Sugar cane or chop cotton. Who knew they would pick that one part of the world.... indeed that one part of africa to wage that type of war.... what was so offensive about that one region of Africa?

You're a smart guy, I'm sure if you are interested in African history and pre-colonial history you can read up on it.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The origin of the word cracker is not a racial one. Cracker is the proper term for a name that is part of a whip. Slaves would refer to the person who wielding the whip as a cracker or being hit by the cracker as in the whip. If you have ever read any slave narratives. Many times it was other Black slaves that whipped other slaves at the orders of the slave masters. So technically it would be accurate to call another Black a cracker.

The word was never used to implicitly describe a racial trait.

Do you really believe that nonsense, that cracker is not meant to describe a Caucasian negatively? Absurd

'Cracker' conveys history of bigotry that still resonates

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/01/us/zimmerman-trial-cracker/

(CNN) -- With a single phrase, Rachel Jeantel, that friend of Trayvon Martin's, may have lit a fuse in the trial of his accused killer.

Asked by the defense what Martin told her on the phone that night when he first spotted George Zimmerman, she testified a "creepy-### cracker" was following him. There is nothing illegal about that. Jeantel said she didn't even know it was a racial slur, and numerous commentators have noted that some in Florida use the term in a non-derogatory, colloquial sense.

But for plenty of rural, white southerners, "cracker" is a demeaning, bigoted term, and its appearance does nothing to help the prosecutors.

The origin of cracker is murky. Some sources suggest it came from overseers who commanded slaves. Others say it derives from a Scottish word for boasting. At The Center for the Study of the American South at the University of North Carolina, Bill Ferris says it emerged in the 1700s as a descriptive term for drovers who used small whips to move their livestock through the pine barrens along the Gulf of Mexico. "They were basically poor people. White people. A class of people who were landless."

George Zimmerman in his own words Did Zimmerman prosecution overreach? Covering the George Zimmerman trial

Initially, cracker was not a pejorative term, but Ferris says it has become one, the equivalent of redneck. Its meaning and intensity as an insult depends on who is saying it and who is listening. For example, a white who might not object to being called a cracker by another white might consider Martin's use of the phrase offensive and evidence of ill intent.

In the circumstances described in court, Ferris notes, it was more likely a quick way for Martin to say he was in danger. "If it is used by blacks (among themselves), it is usually with one meaning: Watch out. He didn't say it to Zimmerman. He said it to convey a message to a friend. He said, 'trouble is coming.'"

Still, even if Martin knew precisely what the term meant and said it with all the venom he could muster, does that matter?

Maybe. Under Florida's hate crime laws, Martin's words could potentially have been used against him had he survived the encounter and Zimmerman had taken the worst of it. That may seem far-fetched, but a state handbook advises that a hate crime may have occurred "if the commission of (a) felony or misdemeanor evidences prejudice based on the race, color, ancestry, ethnicity..."

Complicating the matter further: Despite suspicions among many case watchers that Zimmerman followed Martin largely because he was African-American, the only mention of race from the defendant in his call to the police that night about a "suspicious guy" came when he was questioned. "This guy," the dispatcher asks, "is he white, black, or Hispanic?" Zimmerman responds, "He looks black."

Where did the N-word come from?

All of this may seem pointless to people who focus on the central fact of this case: No matter how the conflict began, police say it ended with an armed man killing an unarmed one. The debate over cracker may furthermore seem arcane to people who live north of the Mason-Dixon line, where cracker is seldom heard, and even when it makes an appearance, it is not freighted with decades of history. To be sure, cracker is not on par with the n-word, but it is nonetheless a sharp racial insult that resonates with white southerners even if white northerners don't get it.

That said, ask Ferris what impact the word will ultimately have on public opinions of this trial, and he is succinct. "I would say none." Views of justice, he says, are inextricably linked to racial attitudes. Many blacks will see this trial one way, many whites another way, just as they did in the case of O.J. Simpson.

But the broader public does not matter. What matters is the jury. And it is hard to imagine how it can help the prosecution for those six southern women to know Martin spent some of his final moments uttering a racial insult, no matter what he intended.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Oh Jesus Marvin, I swear I just think you like me putting my head on your shoulder when we dance the same dance over and over

Of course I am not saying that

Racism is alive and well

Here is just one example of how it is alive and well

Jay-Z: “If you having girl problems, I feel bad for you, son. I got 99 problems and one of them is the bad publicity I received after I refused to let any white people into my Brits after-party this year.”

Source: http://www.hecklerspray.com/top-10-racist-celebrity-rants/201046391.php#ixzz2sIBXeqfj

Okay, if you're going to use links, use ones I can click on. Can't even read this at my desk. Guess my computer is racist.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So cracker has the same connotation as the N word, correct?

Depends. when one uses it like TM and his friend did, it is meant to be every bit as disrespectful,hurtful and demeaning as the word ***,

Do I think society treats it the same way and can it be used without the same repercussions. No of course not

Either word should never be used and coming from the mouth of a person of the opposite race is meant to be just as demeaning

On edit VJ censored my literal use of the word. N. As inflammatory as the word is, I feel like an idiot saying "the N word". In my opinion it just makes it worse. Get it out there and deal with it. Let it sting the ears . Let's talk about shat and quit tip toeing around it.

There is no other word in our language that we can't say. It just prepetuates the myth of the hobbled black in my book.

Edited February 3, 2014 by The Nature Boy

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Do you really believe that nonsense, that cracker is not meant to describe a Caucasian negatively? Absurd

'Cracker' conveys history of bigotry that still resonates

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/01/us/zimmerman-trial-cracker/

(CNN) -- With a single phrase, Rachel Jeantel, that friend of Trayvon Martin's, may have lit a fuse in the trial of his accused killer.

Asked by the defense what Martin told her on the phone that night when he first spotted George Zimmerman, she testified a "creepy-#### cracker" was following him. There is nothing illegal about that. Jeantel said she didn't even know it was a racial slur, and numerous commentators have noted that some in Florida use the term in a non-derogatory, colloquial sense.

But for plenty of rural, white southerners, "cracker" is a demeaning, bigoted term, and its appearance does nothing to help the prosecutors.

The origin of cracker is murky. Some sources suggest it came from overseers who commanded slaves. Others say it derives from a Scottish word for boasting. At The Center for the Study of the American South at the University of North Carolina, Bill Ferris says it emerged in the 1700s as a descriptive term for drovers who used small whips to move their livestock through the pine barrens along the Gulf of Mexico. "They were basically poor people. White people. A class of people who were landless."

George Zimmerman in his own words Did Zimmerman prosecution overreach? Covering the George Zimmerman trial

Initially, cracker was not a pejorative term, but Ferris says it has become one, the equivalent of redneck. Its meaning and intensity as an insult depends on who is saying it and who is listening. For example, a white who might not object to being called a cracker by another white might consider Martin's use of the phrase offensive and evidence of ill intent.

In the circumstances described in court, Ferris notes, it was more likely a quick way for Martin to say he was in danger. "If it is used by blacks (among themselves), it is usually with one meaning: Watch out. He didn't say it to Zimmerman. He said it to convey a message to a friend. He said, 'trouble is coming.'"

Still, even if Martin knew precisely what the term meant and said it with all the venom he could muster, does that matter?

Maybe. Under Florida's hate crime laws, Martin's words could potentially have been used against him had he survived the encounter and Zimmerman had taken the worst of it. That may seem far-fetched, but a state handbook advises that a hate crime may have occurred "if the commission of (a) felony or misdemeanor evidences prejudice based on the race, color, ancestry, ethnicity..."

Complicating the matter further: Despite suspicions among many case watchers that Zimmerman followed Martin largely because he was African-American, the only mention of race from the defendant in his call to the police that night about a "suspicious guy" came when he was questioned. "This guy," the dispatcher asks, "is he white, black, or Hispanic?" Zimmerman responds, "He looks black."

Where did the N-word come from?

All of this may seem pointless to people who focus on the central fact of this case: No matter how the conflict began, police say it ended with an armed man killing an unarmed one. The debate over cracker may furthermore seem arcane to people who live north of the Mason-Dixon line, where cracker is seldom heard, and even when it makes an appearance, it is not freighted with decades of history. To be sure, cracker is not on par with the n-word, but it is nonetheless a sharp racial insult that resonates with white southerners even if white northerners don't get it.

That said, ask Ferris what impact the word will ultimately have on public opinions of this trial, and he is succinct. "I would say none." Views of justice, he says, are inextricably linked to racial attitudes. Many blacks will see this trial one way, many whites another way, just as they did in the case of O.J. Simpson.

But the broader public does not matter. What matters is the jury. And it is hard to imagine how it can help the prosecution for those six southern women to know Martin spent some of his final moments uttering a racial insult, no matter what he intended.

Let me ask you something. Have you ever been denied entry somewhere and called that word? I don't mean some idiot on the street. I mean, actual discrimination in which you were denied a basic thing due to your skin color. The word cracker has many meanings, if it's used as a slur, then it's wrong. To say it's on the same scale as the N word is just ludicrous.

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Nature, the author of that CNN article is wrong. Cracker is a part of a whip. It's still used today, you should know that you are White don't you go to rodeos and $hit lol

Ask any cowboy or rancher or anyone who uses a whip. If youhave ever read any slave narratives iit's used quite a bit.

My point is, which you missed, is that the original use of the word was not a racial epitaph..... Now do some people use it as a derogatory term towards White people? Yes. Is its origins steeped in racial hatred and discrimination a big hell fuggin nah lol

[Janelle2002 3,865]

We white people love being called cracker in this board. Some have said it is a term of "endearment" ,,,But I see from many You Tube postings that prior to knocking out an 80 year old woman and stomping her face into the ground ... Cracker is often used before the attack. to describe her.

Which one of us three black people on this board have called a white person a cracker?