What Obama care looks like in the real world.

[deleted-05292014 331]

The Affordable Care Act is not the best system but I never hear any alternatives from Republicans....maybe I'm confused wasn't this entire idea originally a Republican one? Precisely! If it was called Bushcare we would all be having an opposite argument. Of course it would never have been called Bushcare because we know Bush don't care - ask Katrina victims (or Kanye West )

I spent about 10 years working for one of the top health insurance companies in the US. I saw how the fat cat execs got yearly bonuses that were more than most regular joes will make in decades. The concept of health insurance to me is mind boggling in the sense that the premise of making a profit is to deny people healthcare - people who pay into the system that they expect to be there for them when they need it most. In this respect I think the ACA does it's job. Also denying people who have pre-existing conditions is another area that the ACA helps with.

I know first hand a former co-worker who can be described as a right winger type whose sick infant son benefited from the pre-existing condition protections and well he changed his tune. He kinda stopped his ranting and raving about "Obamacare" at work. It's sort of like one of those events that some or many of us will face in life where we have an ideological viewpoint but no personal experience until that day comes and you have to make a choice about what's good for you or your family.

Frankly I was never a fan of the ACA. I felt like it did not go far enough. I am against any for profit health care system unless that profit is made outside of having a direct correlation on patient health. I think Singapore has been rated as having one of the top health care systems in the world, albeit they are a very wealthy state too. I think they have more millionaires per capita than anywhere in the world, like 1 out of 3 people or something crazy I'd have to go back and research.

We need practical solutions and unfortunately most politicians can't do that. Our system does not allow for practicality or compromise....just ideologues.

Edited February 2, 2014 by Jinx614

[unsmiley 111]

The Affordable Care Act is not the best system but I never hear any alternatives from Republicans....maybe I'm confused wasn't this entire idea originally a Republican one? Precisely! If it was called Bushcare we would all be having an opposite argument. Of course it would never have been called Bushcare because we know Bush don't care - ask Katrina victims (or Kanye West )

I spent about 10 years working for one of the top health insurance companies in the US. I saw how the fat cat execs got yearly bonuses that were more than most regular joes will make in decades. The concept of health insurance to me is mind boggling in the sense that the premise of making a profit is to deny people healthcare - people who pay into the system that they expect to be there for them when they need it most. In this respect I think the ACA does it's job. Also denying people who have pre-existing conditions is another area that the ACA helps with.

I know first hand a former co-worker who can be described as a right winger type whose sick infant son benefited from the pre-existing condition protections and well he changed his tune. He kinda stopped his ranting and raving about "Obamacare" at work. It's sort of like one of those events that some or many of us will face in life where we have an ideological viewpoint but no personal experience until that day comes and you have to make a choice about what's good for you or your family.

Frankly I was never a fan of the ACA. I felt like it did not go far enough. I am against any for profit health care system unless that profit is made outside of having a direct correlation on patient health. I think Singapore has been rated as having one of the top health care systems in the world, albeit they are a very wealthy state too. I think they have more millionaires per capita than anywhere in the world, like 1 out of 3 people or something crazy I'd have to go back and research.

We need practical solutions and unfortunately most politicians can't do that. Our system does not allow for practicality or compromise....just ideologues.

It is unfortunate you had to repeat the lie that no alternatives have been proposed, in an otherwise thoughtful post (even though I disagree with many of your conclusions). Countless alternatives have been put forth, but all have fallen on deaf (President's floppy) ears and have virtually been ignored by the media. Repeating the lie does not make it true.

[Pooky 3,840]

The Affordable Care Act is not the best system but I never hear any alternatives from Republicans....maybe I'm confused wasn't this entire idea originally a Republican one? Precisely!

What should concern you is that the Republicans realized how big a pile of carp this was back in 1993, yet the Democrats insist on foisting it on us now. Let that sink in for a moment. Even the GOP saw this would turn into a disaster.

The PPACA is the wrong direction. It is the legislation the Democrats could pass, after all the arm-twisting, buy offs, back room deals, vote buying and dodgy Congressional procedural measures ... not the legislation they should have passed. It will be the "Obama Legacy", just as the Democrats intended. And America is paying for it.

[deleted-05292014 331]

It is unfortunate you had to repeat the lie that no alternatives have been proposed, in an otherwise thoughtful post (even though I disagree with many of your conclusions). Countless alternatives have been put forth, but all have fallen on deaf (President's floppy) ears and have virtually been ignored by the media. Repeating the lie does not make it true.

I'm not repeating a lie, I have never heard of any alternatives. Do you mind sharing with me any proposed legislation? Did any of them make it to committee? Were any voted on? I'm just asking, you may be 100% correct - but like I said I personally have not heard of anything. You said countless so please share.......

also it doesn't matter what falls on the Presidents ears, I mean that is not how our country works. Any new laws need to come through Congress, the President has no power in this regards. Civics 101 my friend

Love how people always want to scapegoat Obama - blame your local congressmen first if there is something you don't like

[deleted-05292014 331]

What should concern you is that the Republicans realized how big a pile of carp this was back in 1993, yet the Democrats insist on foisting it on us now. Let that sink in for a moment. Even the GOP saw this would turn into a disaster.

The PPACA is the wrong direction. It is the legislation the Democrats could pass, after all the arm-twisting, buy offs, back room deals, vote buying and dodgy Congressional procedural measures ... not the legislation they should have passed. It will be the "Obama Legacy", just as the Democrats intended. And America is paying for it.

The ACA as we know it today was a compromise.

We'd be single payer if true liberals had their way. Come on you all don't remember the months and months of bickering with people whining about single payer. The Democrats caved in to the Republicans and made a compromise.

[deleted-05292014 331]

And by alternatives I mean comprehensive packages not wasting tax payers money by trying to repeal the ACA 120392032 times.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The Affordable Care Act is not the best system but I never hear any alternatives from Republicans....maybe I'm confused wasn't this entire idea originally a Republican one? Precisely! If it was called Bushcare we would all be having an opposite argument. Of course it would never have been called Bushcare because we know Bush don't care - ask Katrina victims (or Kanye West )

You still blaming Bush for Ray Chocolate City Negin's mess up

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The Affordable Care Act is not the best system but I never hear any alternatives from Republicans....maybe I'm confused wasn't this entire idea originally a Republican one? Precisely! If it was called Bushcare we would all be having an opposite argument. Of course it would never have been called Bushcare because we know Bush don't care - ask Katrina victims (or Kanye West )

I spent about 10 years working for one of the top health insurance companies in the US. I saw how the fat cat execs got yearly bonuses that were more than most regular joes will make in decades. The concept of health insurance to me is mind boggling in the sense that the premise of making a profit is to deny people healthcare - people who pay into the system that they expect to be there for them when they need it most. In this respect I think the ACA does it's job. Also denying people who have pre-existing conditions is another area that the ACA helps with.

I know first hand a former co-worker who can be described as a right winger type whose sick infant son benefited from the pre-existing condition protections and well he changed his tune. He kinda stopped his ranting and raving about "Obamacare" at work. It's sort of like one of those events that some or many of us will face in life where we have an ideological viewpoint but no personal experience until that day comes and you have to make a choice about what's good for you or your family.

Frankly I was never a fan of the ACA. I felt like it did not go far enough. I am against any for profit health care system unless that profit is made outside of having a direct correlation on patient health. I think Singapore has been rated as having one of the top health care systems in the world, albeit they are a very wealthy state too. I think they have more millionaires per capita than anywhere in the world, like 1 out of 3 people or something crazy I'd have to go back and research.

We need practical solutions and unfortunately most politicians can't do that. Our system does not allow for practicality or compromise....just ideologues.

I find it ironic liberals want to both blame Repubs for trying to repeal Obamcare and give them credit for it being their idea at the same time

That;s just plan crazy

[Merle 458]

I find it ironic liberals want to both blame Repubs for trying to repeal Obamcare and give them credit for it being their idea at the same time

That;s just plan crazy

I agree. If a Republican said "let's play Russian Roulette" and then said "no, that is a terrible idea" after thinking about it for a minute, would it then be ok to blame a Republican when a Democrat killed himself playing it?

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

I agree. If a Republican said "let's play Russian Roulette" and then said "no, that is a terrible idea" after thinking about it for a minute, would it then be ok to blame a Republican when a Democrat killed himself playing it?

Well DUH!! You don't think for a second that the Democrat would be to blame, do ya?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You should have a single payer universal system and likely would have if there weren't so many vested interests in the insurance system with the ear of government.

[Pooky 3,840]

The ACA as we know it today was a compromise.

We'd be single payer if true liberals had their way. Come on you all don't remember the months and months of bickering with people whining about single payer. The Democrats caved in to the Republicans and made a compromise.

The PPACA was not a compromise with Republicans. The only compromises made were the vote-buying, horse-trading and under-the-tabling deals done with other Democrats, to arm-twist them into voting for this measure, in spite of the obvious risk to their Congressional future in the 2010 mid-terms.

The Democrats didn't have the stomach to do the right thing when they could have passed anything, regardless of Republican opposition. They bickered amongst themselves, screwed each other and the electorate to get as much pork as they could in return for their votes and ended up passing whatever they could in a Bill so monstrously unwieldy we still don't know everything they hid in it, rather than the measure they should have passed.

The Democrats ensured President Obama got his legacy. We will be paying the price for that for years to come.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Well DUH!! You don't think for a second that the Democrat would be to blame, do ya?

Its amazing just what hypocrites they all are,

Dem- Republicans are stupid and just want to kill poor people and Obamacare is wonderful and why are they taking more useless votes, to stop something good, but now that it is failing it was their idea .

Can't make that shat up

[lostinblue 1,989]

Come election time it will be the gift that keeps on giving..

[Danno 1,228]

The concept of health insurance to me is mind boggling in the sense that the premise of making a profit is to deny people healthcare - people who pay into the system that they expect to be there for them when they need it most.

Frankly I was never a fan of the ACA. I felt like it did not go far enough. I am against any for profit health care system unless that profit is made outside of having a direct correlation on patient health.

I'm starting to wonder about you... you claim you word in the insurance industry and you seem to lack an understanding of how it works.

When I buy an annual insurance policy for my car or home or computer, I am not 'investing into a system" that should be there for me for life.

I am simply buying a certain level of coverage for a certain time period.

It is baffling that you think other wise considering your claims.

The best things in life are provided under a for profit motive... even if that profit comes in the form of a political payout.

The reason we have so many medical advances, the reason you have a computer (so cheap) the reason you can buy a gallon of gas for a mere $3.89 is because there is a profit motive. The reason so many people are being lifted out of grinding poverty in the part of the world you like to mention is.... the profit motive.

This country catapulted to such rapid wealth because - the profit motive was available to a much wider number of people and everyones standard of living increased.

Now the rest of the world has caught on and the second rule is coming into play.... COMPETITION.

Affordable CARE act, I knew when Obama's dream started to tank, you followers would retort.... "We just didn't go far enough" LOL

This is always the refrain when Gov;t fails, laying of course the ground work for more of their solutions.