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[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Isn't CC in Illinois like JUST being implemented now? How can it get credited with a drop in the crime rate already? Explain.

In December 2012 the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that IL MUST issue "shall issue" CC permits within 6 months AND they MUST recognize the permits of other states immediately.

Most states issue CC permits to residents and non-residents. 10's of thousands of IL residents already had permits from other states and could begin legally carrying concealed on Dec. 19, 2012. Immediately there were hundreds of classes for Utah non-resident CC permits in IL. Utah not only issues permits to non-residents, you never actually have to set foot in Utah to get one! You can take the class and qualify in any state. Before the IL legislature implemented CC in July 2013, many thousands MORE IL residents had permits to carry and were doing so. ALSO, anyone licensed in any of the surrounding states, including yours, can now carry in IL and have been able to since Dec. 10, 2012. Every state surrounding IL has "shall issue" CC.

This was well publicized (and lamented by the usual suspects) in IL immediately. The Governor attempted to strip the language of the law that honoired other states CC permits but he was over-ridden. The court order required it and there was little point in passing legislation that did not meet the requirement of the order.

Thanks for asking

[Penny Lane 8,159]

And where is the study that credits CC for the decrease in crime? Is there one? Or is it simply opinion?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

In December 2012 the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that IL MUST issue "shall issue" CC permits within 6 months AND they MUST recognize the permits of other states immediately.

Most states issue CC permits to residents and non-residents. 10's of thousands of IL residents already had permits from other states and could begin legally carrying concealed on Dec. 19, 2012. Immediately there were hundreds of classes for Utah non-resident CC permits in IL. Utah not only issues permits to non-residents, you never actually have to set foot in Utah to get one! You can take the class and qualify in any state. Before the IL legislature implemented CC in July 2013, many thousands MORE IL residents had permits to carry and were doing so. ALSO, anyone licensed in any of the surrounding states, including yours, can now carry in IL and have been able to since Dec. 10, 2012. Every state surrounding IL has "shall issue" CC.

This was well publicized (and lamented by the usual suspects) in IL immediately. The Governor attempted to strip the language of the law that honoired other states CC permits but he was over-ridden. The court order required it and there was little point in passing legislation that did not meet the requirement of the order.

Thanks for asking

Not according to the Illinois State Police or any other CC website. Illinois does not recognize out of state CC permits.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

As someone who usually agrees with you, I would also like to see how CC helped reduce gun crime in Chicago? I call them like I see them and you are ducking that one. If you mis spoke be a man and admit. Don't be like the liberals and duck the subject. I expect better from my fellow conservative liberterians.

You are sounding like MBD

I have posted the figures and links in many threads. Just because Marvin says I have not does not make it so.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Not according to the Illinois State Police or any other CC website. Illinois does not recognize out of state CC permits.

The plot thickens!

I have posted the figures and links in many threads. Just because Marvin says I have not does not make it so.

You've posted crime stats. Not a single study that credits CC for the stats.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

As I explained Marvin, I will no longer attempt to satisfy you. I can't. I'm OK with that.

As far as children go, Vermont is the safest state for children and everyone can carry concealed handguns. We have the lowest rates of child abuse, abduction and exploitation in the USA. Our children can safely walk anywhere in the city and never be bothered. Anyone over the age of 16 can carry a concealed handgun without a permit or license.

On the other hand we do have to worry about them drowning while playing in the crystal clear Lake Champlain or getting injured while snowboarding, storm kiting and stuff like that. Each place presents iots own challenges. Can you kids walk around anywhere in St Louis?

I chose to live here because it is a safe place for my family and a great place for an education for the children.

But wait a minute Gary. A few posts ago, you were begging to talk about Chicago. Now, let's have that conversation. How would CC help the children there?

And my kids have been all around St. Louis with me, and they're still alive, without me having a gun. Would you come to my city and hang out with me? At least NB admits he would.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I have posted the figures and links in many threads. Just because Marvin says I have not does not make it so.

No you haven't. You've not posted one link that ties CC to reduction in crime in Chicago. And quite a few people are calling you out, not just me. So what's the saying? Put up or shut up.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

The funny thing is that I recall posting about decreasing crime in Chicago over a year ago. The article actually credited school programs and increased police presence as part of the positive change.

Of course, since it didn't credit guns, it was torn apart by the usual suspects.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

The plot thickens!

You've posted crime stats. Not a single study that credits CC for the stats.

I'm just posting what I've read. I posted a few links in the West Virginia shooting thread concerning CC in Illinois. According to the State Police, Illinois does not honor out of state CC permits. And to date, no Illinois CC permits have been issued. I personally have no knowledge of any law that states that all states must honor the CC permits of every other state. There are websites that show the reciprocity states.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

The funny thing is that I recall posting about decreasing crime in Chicago over a year ago. The article actually credited school programs and increased police presence as part of the positive change.

Of course, since it didn't credit guns, it was torn apart by the usual suspects.

Yep, I remember that. I posted it a few weeks ago, and the same thing happened.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Here is what I posted in the other thread.

Per Illinois State Police:

About halfway down the list of questions:

I have a "conceal and carry" permit issued by another state. Is the permit recognized in Illinois?

No. Illinois does not recognize “conceal and carry” permits from any state. Both non-residents and residents are subject to Illinois’ law, restrictions, and penalties. For a list of other commonly asked questions on transporting firearms in Illinois, please refer to the Transport Your Firearm Legally brochure available on our website.

And here:

https://ccl4illinois...ublic/home.aspx

At the top of the page:

On July 9, 2013, Public Act 98-63, the Firearm Concealed Carry Act became state law (430 ILCS 66). This law requires an Illinois Concealed Carry License to carry a concealed firearm in Illinois.

http://www.handgunla...es/illinois.pdf

Permits/Licenses This State Honors:

Illinois does not honor any other states Permit/License.

All I ask for is proof that all of these links are wrong.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Good luck with that.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Don't take my word for it, follow the links and read it for yourselves. I'm not trying to bullshit anyone.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I got a feeling that someone is going to take their wife out dancing right now to avoid this conversation.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

If there is no CC carry as of today in Illinois, then CC has nothing to do with the reduced crime rate in 2013. Perhaps it will in 2014, that remains to be seen. I'm not talking about any other state, just Illinois at the moment.